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Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« on: July 24, 2010, 10:31:17 PM »

 Hi, I was just wondering what kind of joystick - flightstick you guys use?

 I had heard some praise and some criticism for the x52's and some other thoughts on g940's.

 Just lookin around for something fun and effective. thoughts?

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 11:16:11 PM »
I have a full set of CH Products gear that I've had for several years.  It's top shelf, but honestly CH is just still making gaming sticks as an aside to their industrial control business.  There don't seem to be a whole lot of new products coming from that front, and I'm a little worried about future OS support for the existing gear (Windows 7 64bit works fine, but I don't know how many more years they're going to bother to keep re-writing drivers etc).

Saitek seems to be the last mass market innovator in the Flight Sim hardware business.  In addition to some fine sticks, they've got a yoke, pedals, and all those nifty instrument stacks that work with FSX and X-Plane.

If you're just looking for a good joystick, I can heartily recommend the CH Flightstick Pro.  It's simple and rugged and will last darn near forever (I still have a twenty year old joystick port version that works just fine though it's since been replaced with a USB version.)  If you're looking for a full on HOTAS setup etc though, I'd look at Saitek.

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 11:26:55 PM »

 What does HOTAS stand for anyway?

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 11:29:21 PM »

 it looks like a good flight-stick but how do you do throttle control on that? I was thinking with a joystick with torso twist and throttle control it would make it easier for more precise maneuvers

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 11:36:30 PM »
Hands On Throttle And Stick

Refers to sticks and throttles with lots of knobs and buttons on them.  The idea was to give fighter pilots controls for the most critical systems - weapons, sensors, radios - under their hands on the primary flight controls.  Anytime a pilot can avoid having to move her hand to hunt for a button, it saves time in combat - not to mention that under high G, she might not be able to reach the panels anyway.

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 11:43:41 PM »
it looks like a good flight-stick but how do you do throttle control on that? I was thinking with a joystick with torso twist and throttle control it would make it easier for more precise maneuvers

I have the full set heh.  Flightstick Pro, Pro Pedals, and Pro Throttle.  The mechs are actually quite intuitive to drive with rudder pedals turning the legs, and mouse for the torso.  I only use the joystick when flying Aero and VTOL - even with curves I don't find joysticks precise enough for mech shooting.

I never have liked the twist sticks, but that's just personal preference.  I don't like accidentally twisting while I'm at full deflection, and I'd much rather get my feet into the game.

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 11:44:45 PM »
I have been through a few sticks in my years, the 2 best I have used are the Saitek X series and the Logitech Freedom 2.4 wireless joysticks.

I have never used the CH products as Perk has, but these days I use the X52 and have had no problems with it.
What I like most about it is the LED lights on the buttons, so you can see them in the dark.
The Saitek sticks comes with their own programming software so you can program your stuick pretty much any way you want, but you dont have to use it and all button are detectable by the MWLL actionmapper with the exception of the lower POV hat on the stick.

I have never usted the rudder pedals for Saitek so can say anything about them, but the X52 stick comes with a twist handle, this means you can rotate the the stick left and right for say torso twist on a mech, or for rolling in an ASF.
The old Saitex X-sticks used to have a rudder control on the Throttle handle which you used your fingers to push on.
On the X52 that has been replaced by the twist handle the the stick, and I for one find that much more managable than the old system. I feel I have mcuh better control with that than the old system.

If you want a stick that will last a long time, then perhaps you should listen to Perk.
I really dont know much about the longeviety of the Satitex X-series, as I have been swaping them out as new ones have come out.
But if you want something that looks fancy yet still gets the job done then I can recommend the X52.
Its a good controler and very fexible.

For MWLL I use the X52 flight controler, and have almsot all functions maped to the stick or throttle in some way.
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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2010, 01:35:44 AM »
I have a Saitek AV8R joystick with stick twist, it works pretty nicely. I use it for IL-2, I like the retro joystick look and the toggle switches at the base of it. Also, it has a flip-up cover over a red-lit thumb button, which I like to use for my heavy weapons. It's kind of a "oh it's ON now" thing, lol.
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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2010, 01:54:04 AM »

 Nice, here are the ones I have seen on amazon in ascending price list.


$22 What? Really cheap, is there anything wrong with this unit?

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-X/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-2

$22 logitech joystick, always liked logitech mice, is that a throttle control lever on the front?
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-10

$37 very affordable, looks practical but controls might be a little cramped.

http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-PS41-Aviator-Joystick-Console/dp/B001EYU1W8/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-9

$45 might prioritize appearance over function, but looks better than $37 variant.
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-PS38-Cyborg-X-Stick/dp/B001EYU1VO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-6

$78 CH combat stick, reportedly high quality, lots of buttons, looks good.
http://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Combatstick-Programmable-Functions/dp/B00006B84W/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-14

$89 x52 , looks good, concerned about logentivity though.
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-Control-System/dp/B00030GSJY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-1

Of course the CH joystick and CH footpetals looks like a good option, but I should probably look at the entry level 22 dollar things first I am thinking or that 45 dollar saitek cyborg. I will also look into that AV8R thanks Muffin.

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 02:20:59 AM »

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-Stick-Resolution-Bundle/dp/B0024MRWLW/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1280016906&sr=1-2

Looks good too, if not better due to resolution (thanks for that thrustmaster link you sent me)

 I might consider splurging on that $78 CH stick too. I will probably think about it for 3 days then decide, just to make sure I have my numbers straight.

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 03:58:35 AM »

 Cool, so right now I am leaning towards this one.

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-X/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1280014039&sr=8-2


Just be aware the T flight HOTAS X has quite a deadzone on the Z rotation (stick rotation) axis, which pretty much for me meant the stick was useless since you can't modify it because it appears to be hardware related.  If you just want a cheap stick for now it may be ok, but don't expect to be infinitely happy with it.
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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 06:26:52 AM »

 do you think a yoke would be very good?

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/y_eclipse.html

 I am leaning towards a ch stick though, like the combat stick, nice mid priced 80ish dollar range, and then maybe some foot petals, as much as I would like a throttle stick, have to cut costs somewhere.

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Re: Joystick - flightstick reccomendations?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 07:08:49 AM »
Make sure you look at the PC only AV8R, the one that has function for 360 isn't nearly as good.

The X-52 is pretty much the standard for flight simmers, you can't go wrong.
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