Aerospace Ramming - Exploit?

[MrAgmoore]

If you don't want to get rammed, get out of the way.

Sacrificing something cheap to takeout something expensive has been employed in every conflict throughout history and in nearly ever piece of military fiction ever written.

+1

[Leeko]

While there continues to be no penalty for dying, people will continue to not value their in-game lives.

Well, it SHOULD count as a suicide and give you a rank loss.

What? You mean like plane suicide bombers and me in a raven mech? Cry me a river 

Very mature. At least accumulate more posts before you start acting condescending. That said...

Unless the problem is somehow that you're having issues with ASF being able to do the full extent of its damaging attack in a single pass, while remaining too durable to counter between high armor and lag shield?

Cry harder. The Shiva weighs 85 tons, it should be able to take punishment. The other two have paper for armor.

And to everyone who has and will say anything suggesting that a Shiva should be able to kill other ASF or get out of their way at all, PLEASE GO TRY IT YOURSELF. I can assure you it's impossible in all but the luckiest of situations. The one time I ever shot down another plane in a Shiva it was because I had two Hgauss and a Sulla happened to fly right onto my crosshairs, and my reflexes kicked in. You guys really have no idea what you're talking about. If you had ever piloted a Shiva you'd know better than to say such egregiously ignorant things, and you'd know how frustrating it is to die this way. There's nothing to be gained in gameplay to allow kamikaze plane ramming to happen unpunished. Fun >>>>> Realism.

[Digital Communist]

So shoot him down before he rams you?

Unless the problem is somehow that you're having issues with ASF being able to do the full extent of its damaging attack in a single pass, while remaining too durable to counter between high armor and lag shield?

Which, of course, you can find tons of people around here who sympathize with you for that.

You're a moron. The Shiva can shred people to bits when a good pilot is behind it. Just like any other vehicle. Including AA, which shreds Aeros to bits. Instantly. You know what I fear most when I'm in a shiva? That I happen to get caught out in the open by a huit with no chance to react. Yes, the huit can kill you in about five seconds if he can hit you, which is not hard if you know how to lead. Its just that so many people are from old mech games and cant hit anything moving faster than 100kph.

Regardless my biggest fear in a shiva should be AA. Not a sparrowhawk flown by a cadet to suicide into me. No, the Shiva can not avoid this. Please, get in the air and try to avoid a Sparrowhawk in the Shiva.

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

It's just a symptom of the need to re-balance air to air combat.

[A.L.]

I think a poster further up had at least a decent idea for curbing this behavior.

It should count as a suicide. The problem of course is coding it, so the game knows who got rammed, and who did the ramming.

But once that is done, the rammer should loose rank. If the pilot is already ranked at the bottom before he tries to become the divine wind, then he should spawn with half the amount of starting credits. Each subsequent time he kamikaze's in the same match, his starting cash should be halved again. Once his teammates get sick of floating him cash, he wont be able to continue. Or, after a set amount of rammings (say2 or 3), he should be auto banned (ban is coded so it kicks in right away). If the pilot has only rammed once (or in a rare instance, accidentally rammed someone), he should be allowed one disconnect and reconnect. This is because DCs happen. But if he tries another time (rams and then logs off), his profile should be auto banned for the remainder of the match.

The target pilot should get neither a penalty nor gain anything. It would be nice if he spawned with all the credits he accumulated before dying plus the cost of his aero asset. In other words, he can be back up in the air with the same aero and the no loss of accumulated cash, as if it never happened. This would deff discourage aero ramming as a tactic since it not only hurts the rammer but his no ill effects on the "rammee". It would be tempting to give the target a kill, but it would be unearned, and I prefer to see that pilot just head back up into the air as if nothing happened (in terms of stats and money).

Of course, those are just suggestions, and I'm sure other, more experience players can add/change it all for a better system.

[Scruffe]

this was a rampant problem for helicopters in Crysis VTOL noobs would simply ram you to avoid the heli's withering firepower as the VTOL would survive the crash because of its superior armor.

[=KoS=Zeus]

What about the guy who got rammed? Does he get all of his money back as well? If not then I can see the exploit of combating air superiority by everyone grabbing Sparrowhawks and ramming one enemy plane exactly once, then returning to their normally scheduled program. They don't get kicked, if they die in the ram they get all their money back to buy a new shiny mech or tank, and the enemy loses a 100k+ aerospace asset.

[HAARP]

It's officially considered an exploit.

/thread

[Taemien]

This sort of behavior is a kickable or bannable offense on most servers running FPS's with Vehicles.

[xInVicTuSx]

I remember people used to call for the wahhhhbulence in BF2 when people would ram transport helicopters into their tanks and APCs to destroy them, I always found it a funny free kill, I don't think I ever actually had my tank destroyed by one of them.

I can see how this is not desirable, either a problem with the cramped conditions in the sky at times or the lack or difficulty of the weapons used for dogfighting, that people trying to get a lock or light up their sights end up keeping on target too long and can't pull away in time. Then of course there are those who do it on purpose, just ban those.

[(TLL)KitLightning]

It's officially considered an exploit.

/thread

TLL has had a "No Air Ramming" rule since we put set up the Crysis server, before the MOD was out. Its a direct ban from the server if the habit is continiued whilst returning from being kicked.
And yes, its an exploit of game-mechanics, both in the current state of the MWLL MOD as well as in Crysis.

[Sesambrot]

the problem is that the sparrowhawk pilot always survives that crash, that's the whole bug which can be exploited.
he can't fly on, because most of the time a wing will be ripped off, but he survives, gets a kill, and money.
I think if the sparrowhawk pilot died as well, it wouldn't be that much of a problem...

[Taemien]

It's officially considered an exploit.

/thread

TLL has had a "No Air Ramming" rule since we put set up the Crysis server, before the MOD was out. Its a direct ban from the server if the habit is continiued whilst returning from being kicked.
And yes, its an exploit of game-mechanics, both in the current state of the MWLL MOD as well as in Crysis.

Outstanding 

[DracheM]

So shoot him down before he rams you?

Unless the problem is somehow that you're having issues with ASF being able to do the full extent of its damaging attack in a single pass, while remaining too durable to counter between high armor and lag shield?

Which, of course, you can find tons of people around here who sympathize with you for that.

You're a moron. The Shiva can shred people to bits when a good pilot is behind it. Just like any other vehicle. Including AA, which shreds Aeros to bits. Instantly. You know what I fear most when I'm in a shiva? That I happen to get caught out in the open by a huit with no chance to react. Yes, the huit can kill you in about five seconds if he can hit you, which is not hard if you know how to lead. Its just that so many people are from old mech games and cant hit anything moving faster than 100kph.

Regardless my biggest fear in a shiva should be AA. Not a sparrowhawk flown by a cadet to suicide into me. No, the Shiva can not avoid this. Please, get in the air and try to avoid a Sparrowhawk in the Shiva.

I think you missed the point. The Sparrowhawk that is attacking your Shiva is the "ASF being able to do the full extent of its damaging attack in a single pass" in this example, not the Shiva.

See, it was an example of the tables being turned.  I would have thought you'd be more sympathetic!

[=KoS= Tripod]

So shoot him down before he rams you?

Unless the problem is somehow that you're having issues with ASF being able to do the full extent of its damaging attack in a single pass, while remaining too durable to counter between high armor and lag shield?

Which, of course, you can find tons of people around here who sympathize with you for that.

I lol'd reading that.

Not so nice being on the receiving end, is it?