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Another exploit report.
« on: September 04, 2010, 07:49:06 PM »
I've known of this "exploit" since 0.3, but I never used, but I've noticed people from the SJ clan have been abusing this a lot recently to rush LT's + heavy mechs / vehicles on ticket games, so I decided its time to get it fixed.

The early game time restriction only works on people who just a team BEFORE the game restarts, so anyone that joins the team after doesn't get that timer.

The exploit is rather simple. Join after the game starts, send your cash to somebody, and disconnect + reconnect to the server. When you relog you have all your money back.

Solution? Make the timer kick in when people join a team (not switching) no matter how late the game is. I honestly think nobody should be able to send no more than 5K for the first 5 minutes of game as well.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2010, 12:46:08 PM by (TLL)KitLightning »

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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 07:53:29 PM »
Our LT'r went out for a cigarette and came back a few mins after the game started to find that the remaining SJ guys on the team had enough spare money from the initial engagement to give him enough money for an LT.

Its unfortunate for you that you lost the initial advantage, and had to face probably one of the best long tommers in mwll, but don't go throwing around baseless accusations directed at the entirety of my unit please, it isn't appreciated.


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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 08:00:29 PM »
Our LT'r went out for a cigarette and came back a few mins after the game started to find that the remaining SJ guys on the team had enough spare money from the initial engagement to give him enough money for an LT.

Its unfortunate for you that you lost the initial advantage, and had to face probably one of the best long tommers in mwll, but don't go throwing around baseless accusations directed at the entirety of my unit please, it isn't appreciated.

I'm on a server right now with CadetRiker and Cadet RoiFakker. The match just started and lo-and-behold CadetRiker had a Huit and I watched RoiFakker run around with BA. Resource pool cheating much?

This is right after a match where a LT suddenly appeared 5 minutes ingame.

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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2010, 08:01:08 PM »
Which Huit? The Prime? Also, how is sharing cbills cheating?


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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2010, 08:04:25 PM »
This is indeed a known exploit already, so I don't feel it needs to be posted again.

In regards to SJ doing it, I find it hard to believe that any of the organized units in MWLL would knowingly use an exploit; it's possible you may have misinterpreted the situation, no?

Also, it's tremendously easy to get a Heavy Mech or LT early game with some teamwork and cash transfers.

BA with an MHL can transfer 38950 cbills.  With starting cash, that's 87950 cbills, enough for some IS and cheaper Clan heavies, as well as a Long Tom.  You get a couple people running BA and you can buy practically anything at the start.

An Osiris B pilot can transfer 22104 cbills.  Not quite enough there for either a Heavy or LT, but if you run out, get a couple kills, run back and sell your mech, it's possible that with the cash from the Osiris B pilot, you can afford a Heavy or an LT within a few minutes.

Regardless though, if you think you're in a match in which a player or unit is exploiting, the best thing to do is to get screenshots so it can be verified and actions can be taken; accusations without proof tend to be a little hard to believe.

EDIT: As evidenced in my post, a cash-sharing BA can easily finance the purchase of a Huit Prime (81 036Cbills), even if you factor in the cost of an MPPPC (3000 cbills).  And sharing cbills is definitely not an exploit; sharing them in the manner you presented in your first post is.
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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 08:07:56 PM »
Huit Prime - 81036 cbills
1 UAC5 2 UAC2 reloads - 950 cbills
Starting cash - 49000 cbills
Getting a clanmate to run dedicated BA + getting 12k from a random pubber so that no lifer's go and whine on the forums about 'abuse' -

PRICELESS


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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 08:16:45 PM »
The rejoining for additional cash to send to teammates is a known exploit.

However, the cbill sharing mechanic allows people to field large assets at the start of a match by pooling resources. This is an intended gameplay feature, and not an exploit.

Thats the simplest way it can be put.


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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 08:25:29 PM »
Huit Prime - 81036 cbills
1 UAC5 2 UAC2 reloads - 950 cbills
Starting cash - 49000 cbills
Getting a clanmate to run dedicated BA + getting 12k from a random pubber so that no lifer's go and whine on the forums about 'abuse' -

PRICELESS

Sending money at round start by circumventing the 2-3 minute time restriction?

Priceless.

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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2010, 08:28:57 PM »
Proof? Priceless.


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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2010, 09:07:25 PM »
Maybe CSJ cheated/exploited and maybe they didn't. I do find it interesting that CSJ defends their honor and claims that they would never cheat/exploit when there is indeed proof of questionable ethics and behaviour.

So the guy doesn't have proof, but don't berate him under the guise that CSJ members are all above exploiting.

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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2010, 09:16:25 PM »
just dropped by and this is just pure bs. if ya don't have proof, don't post it in a NEW thread. I don't know about different clans in MWLL but from their actions and posts, as far as I've seen,
Maybe CSJ cheated/exploited and maybe they didn't.

If it happens numerous times (3 at least) its suspicious, don't call the chase now when you don't have proof. get screenies of times when someone, anyone does this (or better yet record all matches with fraps if ya want to) and

also, don't accuse the whole clan, say that someone specific did this, makes you fight less people.


my 7,45 cents. I have no idea of behavior in MWLL servers (I haven't been able to play the game yet) but these are just tips for any kind of game. I've posted this kind of stuff in game forums in lots of places, almost every time I saw an "Exploit report" or something.

this thread should be suspended or something, or even locked/deleted.
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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2010, 10:03:57 PM »
Sending money at round start by circumventing the 2-3 minute time restriction?

Priceless.

The 2 minute no cbill sharing restriction only applies when you suicide or reconnect.  Players are allowed to share/pool money at the start of the match by design.

Maybe CSJ cheated/exploited and maybe they didn't. I do find it interesting that CSJ defends their honor and claims that they would never cheat/exploit when there is indeed proof of questionable ethics and behaviour.

So the guy doesn't have proof, but don't berate him under the guise that CSJ members are all above exploiting.

Well, the two issues I tried to address in this thread was:
1) Whether or not this is a known exploit, a new exploit, or a misunderstanding.
 
2) Whether or not CSJ was guilty in this case/these cases.

Issue 1 was addressed by:
  • Cash sharing, disconnecting, and reconnecting is a known exploit.
  • Cash sharing at the start of a match by running BA/a cheaper asset in order to purchase more expensive starting assets is a feature.
  • In ComeandSee's case, the second situation he reported, in which (I believer) Roi purchased a Huit Prime using the cash from Riker was not an exploit and was in fact a use of one of the game features.

Issue 2 was addressed by:
  • In his original post, the first situation in which he described SJ rolling out "LT's + heavy mechs / vehicles" could have been a result of exploiting or a result of team coordination; it's impossible to determine by word of mouth, especially with no documentation and no supporting evidence from either side of the argument.  I chose to run off the assumption that most units (TLL, CHH, CSJ, 1FSAC, 7.WD, CJW, etc.) are generally above exploiting, and stated so in my earlier post, suggesting instead that it may have been a misunderstanding.
  • As stated above, the second case turned did actually turn out to be a misunderstanding.

Now, as to CSJ defending their honor, I feel this is a response that most units/persons would take in a situation in which they feel the have been wronged.  You may have misunderstood some posts though, as the only instance I can find in this thread in which CSJ "defends it's honor" is Maus simply stating "don't go throwing around baseless accusations directed at the entirety of my unit please", which again I feel is a response most units/players would take against such an accusation.  While his other post my be a bit spiteful, I feel it is in line with the posting style normally found in which people get emotional about thread content or are biased towards how they feel about a situation (see: your post).

It's understood that most, if not all units and players in the community tend to not exploit, though there is on occasion instances of questionable activity.  The fact of the matter is though that without proper documentation/proof, it can become a starting point for alot of unneeded resentment and or misunderstanding; something I feel that your post does nothing but exacerbate.  I could run around claiming that CHH Sturmadler, 1FSAC Checker, SJ Amarus, TLL Xermalk, or even Mechwarrior(3) were all making use of various glitches/exploits, but without proof, it becomes nothing more than slander.
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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2010, 10:14:18 PM »
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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2010, 10:24:10 PM »
Sending money at round start by circumventing the 2-3 minute time restriction?

Priceless.

The 2 minute no cbill sharing restriction only applies when you suicide or reconnect.  Players are allowed to share/pool money at the start of the match by design.

Maybe CSJ cheated/exploited and maybe they didn't. I do find it interesting that CSJ defends their honor and claims that they would never cheat/exploit when there is indeed proof of questionable ethics and behaviour.

So the guy doesn't have proof, but don't berate him under the guise that CSJ members are all above exploiting.

Well, the two issues I tried to address in this thread was:
1) Whether or not this is a known exploit, a new exploit, or a misunderstanding.
 
2) Whether or not CSJ was guilty in this case/these cases.

Issue 1 was addressed by:
  • Cash sharing, disconnecting, and reconnecting is a known exploit.
  • Cash sharing at the start of a match by running BA/a cheaper asset in order to purchase more expensive starting assets is a feature.
  • In ComeandSee's case, the second situation he reported, in which (I believer) Roi purchased a Huit Prime using the cash from Riker was not an exploit and was in fact a use of one of the game features.

Issue 2 was addressed by:
  • In his original post, the first situation in which he described SJ rolling out "LT's + heavy mechs / vehicles" could have been a result of exploiting or a result of team coordination; it's impossible to determine by word of mouth, especially with no documentation and no supporting evidence from either side of the argument.  I chose to run off the assumption that most units (TLL, CHH, CSJ, 1FSAC, 7.WD, CJW, etc.) are generally above exploiting, and stated so in my earlier post, suggesting instead that it may have been a misunderstanding.
  • As stated above, the second case turned did actually turn out to be a misunderstanding.

Now, as to CSJ defending their honor, I feel this is a response that most units/persons would take in a situation in which they feel the have been wronged.  You may have misunderstood some posts though, as the only instance I can find in this thread in which CSJ "defends it's honor" is Maus simply stating "don't go throwing around baseless accusations directed at the entirety of my unit please", which again I feel is a response most units/players would take against such an accusation.  While his other post my be a bit spiteful, I feel it is in line with the posting style normally found in which people get emotional about thread content or are biased towards how they feel about a situation (see: your post).

It's understood that most, if not all units and players in the community tend to not exploit, though there is on occasion instances of questionable activity.  The fact of the matter is though that without proper documentation/proof, it can become a starting point for alot of unneeded resentment and or misunderstanding; something I feel that your post does nothing but exacerbate.  I could run around claiming that CHH Sturmadler, 1FSAC Checker, SJ Amarus, TLL Xermalk, or even Mechwarrior(3) were all making use of various glitches/exploits, but without proof, it becomes nothing more than slander.

I applaud your middle-ground approach as a mediator and I apologize for accusing the entire SJ clan of exploiting.

Now, as this is the bug reports section, I reported the issue and it's up to the developers to see where it's going. I just hope that all clans -- and pugs -- will play fairly in the future so we can have nice clean matches.

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Re: Another exploit report.
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2010, 10:27:45 PM »
TLDR: Some people don't understand how cbill sharing works and end up making cheat accusations.