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Offline Waffnuffly

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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2011, 04:37:35 PM »
If AECM gave no monetary reward but was basically GECM for yourself + GECM for allies, that would be enough I think. Right now, it's kinda pointless to cover, say, a Long Tom with AECM unless you stay as far away from the LT as possible and move frequently, because the enemy will still see you on radar even if they don't see the LT, and when they notice LT shells, they'll know where it is when they see you. Kinda defeats the purpose of stealth coverage.

It IS good for making a large group appear small, but that's about it, and it's very situational.

[Edit] Oh yeah, forgot about NARC immunity. That's definitely the best part, but it's not really enough.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2011, 06:04:50 PM »
It IS good for making a large group appear small, but that's about it, and it's very situational.

Actually I consider the GECM effect for allies a bonus, I consider NARC immunity as the true purpose of AECM.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2011, 09:33:33 PM »
This has been discussed and it's on the table.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2011, 12:07:24 AM »
Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2011, 04:41:11 AM »
I've always thought it should check and see if any friendly target within your AECM umbrella can be detected by an enemy but isn't due to your influence. A small amount of points / cbills should be provided every second as long as that condition is true, the more enemies your buddy is cloaked from the more you gain a second.

If you're in a large group sheilding them from an equally large group you should be seeing a good return.

The cbill amounts would obviously require a hell of a lot of balancing and the alogrithm is probably way too complex to run constantly though. I'll wait and see what you guys are coming up with.

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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2012, 02:37:45 PM »
Sorry to necro this thread yet again, but some current discussion on narcs got me thinking again.
There is at least one downside of implementing such a feature:
You would see the reward and know that someone is NOT detecting you right now, which means, you get additional information which you might not be supposed to get.
Lets say some GECM 'mech gets within 1km and should spot your teammates, but due to AECM he does not. The GECM itself protects the enemy from beeing detected, and yet the AECM 'mech is informed via the reward that there is an enemy mech present in its own radar distance.
Just a little bit, and the information is not detailed at all, as the enemy could be approaching from any direction.

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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2012, 02:42:00 PM »
To fix that, AECM could only reward you for covering allies, not denying enemy coverage. I think C3 works the same way - by being active for allies, not detecting enemies. I get C3 money sometimes even if I have no enemies on radar but my allies are nearby and using theirs.

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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2012, 03:46:52 PM »
I'd pay 55k for a Hep Prime that has GECM+C3 instead of AECM.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2012, 03:48:33 PM »
I'd pay 55k for a Hep Prime that has GECM+C3 instead of AECM.

and lose the ability to become a narcer's worst nightmare? no thanks

as for a reward... it would be nice, but i do not think necessary.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2012, 04:00:08 PM »
There aren't many narcers or good narc targets during the first 20 minutes of the game, when I pilot hovercraft.
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2012, 06:43:17 PM »
I would prefer to see a Raven with BHP, C3, AECM & MASC to seeing a reward for AECM.

An Atlas with AECM is rather silly IMO AECM should be going to smaller faster scouts (who can run to where needed and take cover/use speed to dodge).
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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2012, 12:21:59 AM »
To fix that, AECM could only reward you for covering allies, not denying enemy coverage. I think C3 works the same way - by being active for allies, not detecting enemies. I get C3 money sometimes even if I have no enemies on radar but my allies are nearby and using theirs.
Simple and effective solution, make it so :)

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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2012, 12:43:18 AM »
I get C3 money sometimes even if I have no enemies on radar but my allies are nearby and using theirs.

I think you get money for relaying information about neutral entities as well (e.g. stationary LAMS or neutral base defenses).

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Re: Reward for AECM
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2012, 01:24:42 PM »
Honestly I think AECM has an awesome enough effect already in terms of radar benefits.

BUT it should give a bonus cash amount every time it defeats an enemy NARC. Maybe 3-5k. Because that's much more situational and you're directly destroying an enemy asset (the NARC missile) which would otherwise have given the enemy team a big benefit.