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Offline Leeko

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A message to the community
« on: September 10, 2010, 09:38:23 PM »
I'd like to say a couple of things here, partly venting/ranting partly because I see a lot of slightly-too-fierce attitudes. First off, one thing people don't seem to get is that if someone points out an imbalance and suggests a change that's not ridiculous (like revamping entire systems or removing variants/assets/weapons) it's not "whining" and furthermore a balanced game is a fun game. I've made passing comments about this or that being slightly imbalanced in a pub game before and several times been met with one of two arguments. Either, "Stop whining, the devs do this on their free time," as if I think MWLL is a steaming pile of dog leavings, or "Stop whining, that's how it is in CBT.

Now, I'd like to make one thing clear. Fun is more important than being like CBT and balanced things are fun. I don't care what any of you will say to this. It's not called Battletech: Living Legends or Realtime Battletech or any such thing for a reason. There are concepts that don't translate well from CBT to a realtime environment, there is a thread for that though. Furthermore, fun should be in the action. Fun, IMHO, isn't getting lots of kills for little to no effort, which is why it astonished me when I saw someone suggesting that other mechs should be more like the novacat, as if nerfing is always bad, because a game where everyone kills each other instantly is really fun, right? No. We're not a CoD:Mod2 community, I'd like to think we're more mature than that. I could care less about my KDR in public games.

Rant time.

Another example of this is when I suggested that CERPPCs were a bit too powerful. The combination of high damage, heat transfer, EMP, and cockpit shake is just a bit much. The response I got was "Well there's no knock down damage, so they're nerfed already. You want to make it less like CBT?" This pretty much encapsulates everything I've been saying so far. When I elaborated on my opinion, that with the way heat sinks work it's extremely punishing toward low heat IS mechs which can hardly dissipate heat at all save through coolant, they argued first "Clan tech IS SUPPOSED TO BE SUPERIOR" followed by "What makes a good pilot is the ability to return fire" (I guess clanners can aim during a 6 second bout of cockpit shake thanks to the barrage of a PPC boat nova) and concluding with several statements inferring that I'm just a bad player. This kind of behavior infuriates me, and resorting to personal attacks after your logical fallacies become apparent is the least mature thing you can do in an argument. Sad to say, I see this on the forums more often than I do in the game.

Sorry for ranting, but I'm feeling rather misanthropic right now, and it pisses me off when people who just want an argument call you a whiner at the first opportunity.
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 09:54:38 PM »
Sometimes it's good to get stuff off your chest.

Just reflecting, it's one reason why I limit my "real" posts to patch items cause "theoretical" debates can get exhausting.
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 10:18:37 PM »
whiner!
 :-X
oops i just couldn't resist, sorry ;D

No seriously, u definitely have a point here. But same is true for those folks who rant and rave about how unfair everybody else is, while u never see these people on any server at any given time.

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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 10:21:54 PM »
Sorry for ranting, but I'm feeling rather misogynistic right now, and it pisses me off when people who just want an argument call you a whiner at the first opportunity.

I realize this is probably a brain fart-related typo, but it's still hilarious.   :o

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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 10:24:31 PM »
I have to agree on this, I see it almost all the time.
Someone tries desperately to explain their point using facts and logic only to get shot down by some who will use any excuse to start an argument.

If you cant discuss an issue about the game without staring an argument, I suggest you just keep quiet.
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 10:28:14 PM »
Sorry for ranting, but I'm feeling rather misogynistic right now, and it pisses me off when people who just want an argument call you a whiner at the first opportunity.

I realize this is probably a brain fart-related typo, but it's still hilarious.   :o

Ouch, I meant misanthropic, thanks. :-[
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 10:36:07 PM »
Leeko cancels Play DF: Taken by MWLL Mood

should be:

Leeko cancels Post Correct Stuff: Overtaken by Tiredness (??)
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 10:42:00 PM »
Leeko cancels Homework: Procrastinating

My head's just on backwards today... I even proofread that stuff, too. ::)

Back to AP Computer Science work... yay programming!
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 10:44:04 PM »
YAY PROGRAMMING! what language?

p.s. [/thread rape]

I agree, this should be standard along ALL forums. MW4 too.
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 10:45:18 PM »
Java, though I'm not particularly good at it. GETTING OFF TOPIC LAWL.
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 10:53:04 PM »
I noticed something the other day..won`t mention names, but someone put in their post about "the tards from MW4" and personally, I thot that was out of place. We ALLL loved Mech games, and keep in mind, at the time, MW2-3-4 and expansions were all we had at the time. Therefore, us "tards" from MW on the Zone have as much pasion for the game as those who came AFTER MW4.....remember this when you post about people.

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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 11:28:29 PM »
Now, I'd like to make one thing clear. Fun is more important than being like CBT and balanced things are fun.
This.  for example: Gameplay >>>> Clan "superweapons" functioning as they do in CBT.  And I would say that asking about re-vamping an entire system by suggesting a complete teardown and re-design isn't the best way to try and get your point across either, but suggesting improvements within the current systems in a thoughtful way is a good way to try and get a point across and is much much more likely to get a good look.

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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 12:21:35 AM »
I'd like to say a couple of things here, partly venting/ranting partly because I see a lot of slightly-too-fierce attitudes. First off, one thing people don't seem to get is that if someone points out an imbalance and suggests a change that's not ridiculous (like revamping entire systems or removing variants/assets/weapons) it's not "whining" and furthermore a balanced game is a fun game.

You may want to read that again Cujo, hes talking about minor adjustments, not major revamping here.
And thats the problem, some players will use such suggestions about minor tweaks and adjustments as an excuse to start an argument.
I have seen players start accusing others of whining for the smallest of things.
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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2010, 12:33:12 AM »
I'd like to say a couple of things here, partly venting/ranting partly because I see a lot of slightly-too-fierce attitudes. First off, one thing people don't seem to get is that if someone points out an imbalance and suggests a change that's not ridiculous (like revamping entire systems or removing variants/assets/weapons) it's not "whining" and furthermore a balanced game is a fun game.

You may want to read that again Cujo, hes talking about minor adjustments, not major revamping here.
And thats the problem, some players will use such suggestions about minor tweaks and adjustments as an excuse to start an argument.
I have seen players start accusing others of whining for the smallest of things.
I didn't mean to link that particular statement to his at all, it's just an observation I've made over the time I've spent on this forum.

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Re: A message to the community
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2010, 12:51:22 AM »
I misunderstood what you said then, and I see your point.
However his problem was from what I understand not related to the forum, but rather ingame talk about how some things could use some small adjustments or tweaking.
At least thats how I read what he wrote.
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