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Offline Chavez_Ninja

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Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« on: October 15, 2010, 06:47:51 AM »
OK, branching off from the 0.4.0 thread, post DX:HR comments here. Of course we all know that this game has a lot to live up to, but I have hopes of it being at least better than DX IW. Im still looking forward to its eventual release.

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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 08:45:10 AM »
 Yep, available info is quite promising and DX:HR forum crowd still having high hopes for the results to be close to the original DX. And, of course, there would be GitS-styled augmentations and weapons which is a cruise control to awesome! 8)



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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 09:32:31 AM »
I don't trust it.

To me it's still a console shooter and that means bad things :/ It's really just the same old song and dance with these games... Hype and screenshots don't really express how dumbed-down it will be, all the concessions for console gamers that have been made, lack of mod support, delated PC release, DRM, etc.

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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 12:00:06 PM »
I know the voice acting on the radio will be awesome! That's it...
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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 03:02:34 PM »
I'm pumped for this game.  Biomechanical augmentations (like Ghost in the Shell) just seem so much cooler to me than nanotech. Active camouflage, cyberbrains, Limbs with blades? SOLD!

I liked DX, but I don't consider it the best game ever, so perhaps that allows me to be more optimistic than others might be. Wheras I would be high skeptical of a Planescape Torment remake or Baldur's Gate remake.

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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 09:48:19 PM »
So we can't chose our protagonists gender this time?

Sucks :p

Apart from that... I'lll rent it first, and then decide if it's worth the money.

DX1 was.
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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 09:52:04 PM »
I love the art direction for the trailers but the lack of in-game video worries me. The downside is that Warren Spector ( the visionary guy who worked on System Shock 1 and the original Deus Ex ) is not involved in the project. Deus Ex without Warren Spector is like The Terminator franchise without James Cameron. The upside is that the developers are touting that there will be 200,000 lines of dialogue in the game.

System Shock has been fixed to run on new computers. System Shock Portable:

http://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=211.0

The retro GUI is hard to get used to at first but it's well worth it if you liked Deus Ex ( I loved the story, ambiance and hacking/puzzle mini-game and you can enter "Cyberspace" William Gibson style ):


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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 11:04:41 PM »
the main problem i have with all the DXHR footage is at ultimately it's only action oriented.  the best thing about DX 1 was that you really could play in any play style and the game feature like it fit natural.
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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 11:55:29 AM »
the main problem i have with all the DXHR footage is at ultimately it's only action oriented.  the best thing about DX 1 was that you really could play in any play style and the game feature like it fit natural.

 Well, that could be the problem, but I still have hopes that DX3 would be at least possible to play as a purely stealth operative. After all, original DX could be played as a shooter so action scenes per se would not mean much in the way of disallowing stealth gameplay at all. BTW, here's a video with some DX3 gameplay. There are a couple of stealth elements depicted there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHolbuiorY&feature=related



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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 02:47:32 PM »
I'm suspecting it'll be more like Alpha Protocol than DX1, but we'll just have to wait and see.

And, of course, there would be GitS-styled augmentations and weapons which is a cruise control to awesome! 8)

The first time I saw the cinematic trailer, when that one guy says "These people are like ghosts" I was half expecting him to finish with "ghosts in their shell" ;D
He doesn't say it, but the massive chunk of inspiration they took from GitS is quite obvious.

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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 10:38:24 AM »
DX1's story predates Giths.

As a matter of fact, Ghost in the Shell is a Japanese "Lol I can't sp3ak English" mispronunciation of "Ghost in the Machine" a term derived from 19th century writings on Automata, and a term used by British philosopher Gilbert Ryle to talk about mankinds foolish march towards their own untimely destruction by the hands of nuclear weapons.

Also as a matter of fact, Japan hasn't produced an original story in over 2000 years, and even then, it's based on chinese lit (90% of all Anime= Journey to the West). This has to do with the philosophical lock of being based on the 4 books. That's not to say that Ghost in The Shell was not an effing amazing film, nor do I deny it's beautiful imagery, mind bending OMGWTFBBQ type of chaos, or is simply awesome, it's just not quite fair to say they ripped it off. It's the other way around.
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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2010, 12:04:02 PM »
DX1's story predates Giths.

 Err, not exactly. Original manga, Gost in the shell, was published through 1989–1997. GitS animated movie by Mamoru Oshii hit the screens in 1995. Deus ex was released in 2000, so it only predates TV series aka GitS: Stand alone complex, which is a more detailed manga adaptation.

As a matter of fact, Ghost in the Shell is a Japanese "Lol I can't sp3ak English" mispronunciation of "Ghost in the Machine" a term derived from 19th century writings on Automata, and a term used by British philosopher Gilbert Ryle to talk about mankinds foolish march towards their own untimely destruction by the hands of nuclear weapons.

 Again, not exactly so. The phrase itself is surely formed so that it would make an allusion to that Gilbert Ryle's phrase, but it has it's own meaning in the context of GitS. Unfortunately, to fully understand that you need to read the manga itself or, at least, watch some of the TV series. Movies just don't put enough attention to the details.

Also as a matter of fact, Japan hasn't produced an original story in over 2000 years, and even then, it's based on chinese lit (90% of all Anime= Journey to the West). This has to do with the philosophical lock of being based on the 4 books. That's not to say that Ghost in The Shell was not an effing amazing film, nor do I deny it's beautiful imagery, mind bending OMGWTFBBQ type of chaos, or is simply awesome, it's just not quite fair to say they ripped it off. It's the other way around.

 To be absolutely exact here, GitS is a japanese adaptation of W. Gibson's novels, to whom we all owe cyberpunk as a genre. And, frankly, no on in the world hasn't produced an original story in over 5000 years. Everything original was already written by ancient greeks. We now just retell the old stories with new and flashy setting. ;)


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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2010, 03:12:16 PM »
DX1's story predates Giths.

Err.... Ghost in the shell the manga came out in the early 90s, and the movie in 1995. So how does Deux Ex (2000) predate it?

But the fact remains Cyberpunk is a really underdeveloped genre in gaming. We get a gazillion world war 2 games, a gazillion alien invasion games, but almost no Cyberpunk. So I'd be all over this game even if it wasn't called Deus Ex.

I read a PC gamer preview a while back and they covered how a character solved a mission 3 different ways, Guns, Sneak, and Social. So we know doing things the sneaky way is at least possible. No clue if it is done well of course.

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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2010, 04:01:57 PM »
*snip*
I read a PC gamer preview a while back and they covered how a character solved a mission 3 different ways, Guns, Sneak, and Social. So we know doing things the sneaky way is at least possible. No clue if it is done well of course.

TBH it wasn't really done that well, sure you could customise your hero and his weapons how you wanted them, but only the mission on Liberty Island was designed for a non-lethal playstyle, it's a damn pity as it would be awesome to have been able to do play the entire game like Batman (leaving a trail of trussed up and drugged bad-guys in your wake), but it soon devolved into more familiar FPS territory fast IMO.

I loved the original Deus Ex despite this failing, but I'd expect better in 2010+.


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Re: Dues Ex : Human Revolution
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2010, 05:45:48 PM »
How can we have a discussion of Cyberpunk and no one mentions Shadowrun...

also Ghost In The Shell: Stand alone complex, (a series) was pretty dam fantastic and IMO much better than the movie when talking about how the cyber self could be manipulated and changed in a way to completely change how society function. 

I will say that the DX games have be more about how cyber enhancement changes the way we interact in the physical world and not the cyber one.  Where as GitS was more about how the cyber world could change how "long" we "live" in the physical world.
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