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Osiris concerns.
« on: December 05, 2010, 10:02:51 AM »
Ok time for some feedback.

It really sucks that the Osiris doesn't have all 5 medium lasers. Mind you, I don't want ERMBL or it would explode from heat, even with DHS.
I wanted to ask though, looking at the model of the Osiris is there podspace for SRM6, x5 MBL, Mgun?
Looks like there might only be more room for one more laser on the left torso.

I'm not worried about tonnage as MWLL Osiris can carry lots more, but I'm not sure how the pod system is gonna work.

And I'm just gonna straight up ask... are there any plans to make the full Osiris Prime, armor and all?

Because I'm gonna give you guys some straight feedback... The Osiris Prime is supposed to be the best IS light brawler we have, none of this glass cannon stuff, its supposed to have good armor, be very fast, and have a variety of weapons. I'm guessing you guys have been experimenting with some new Osiris builds so let me say the best start would to give us the 'real' prime.

At least for me this would really help early game, which is suffering right now because everyone just rolls Uller As and Owens Bs, and if you don't you frankly, get shit on.

Lastly may I say after many many rounds, I am probably the only vet who consistently uses it. No one else really does because they know the obvious, it blows pretty hard.

I realize that there is a trade off, as there is no MASC on the CBT model, and I also realize the obvious truism that without masc the MWLL Osiris would die very quickly.
That said, being a paper tiger is one thing, being a paper kitten is another, it gets very frustrating having to plink away at even the lightest armored assets with perfect precision while they can just hit you once or twice and you are completely crippled (I'm talking about other lights here). 

I'm at my wits end early game here because I find the Uller A and Owens B boring as balls. I realize this is right before the patch, but that is kinda why I am posting it now.

I would be highly disappointed if the Osiris stayed the paper flea it is now, and this is coming from someone who ACTUALLY pilots it regularly and loves it. 

TL;DR

The glass cannon model for the Osiris is the WRONG direction. I hope it does not continue down this path, and I'm being honest when I say I am the only one I see use it alot.
The Prime needs its 5MBL, and it needs its full 4 1/2 tons of armor; I really don't care where the other variants go for now.
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 10:43:41 AM »
I agree. I never use the Osiris because of this. The "glass cannon" approach to mech design isn't working out well at all. It really needs more armor to be useful.

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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 11:30:20 AM »
I use the 2x ERLBL variant sometimes, particularly if I joined late. It's a nice sniper, and MASC helps you to keep out of harms way.

That said, I think the only reason it works is because you're so small, fast and far away that people usually don't even bother trying to kill you. If you do start taking fire though you die very, very quickly.

The rest of the variants are basically useless. I really wanted to like the one with the four medium pulse lasers, but after I was literally one shotted by a mad cat with full health I decided it just wasn't worth it.
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 01:44:44 PM »
+1 from MatthewPryde ;)
I use the 2x ERLBL variant sometimes, particularly if I joined late.
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 02:45:41 PM »
Hmmm... I actually think the osiris is better mid/late game when there's more people on the field to draw attention away. I actually think there lazer boat ownes (4 MBL, 3 ERsmall) is kinda the varient you're looking for as a brawler.  I've been fielding it lately at the 60k mark, and it's pretty great.
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 02:54:25 PM »
Well, the Orisis is as good as it get's it's IS and it still has considerable firepower and speed; you just can't have everything for so few C-Bills.
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 03:05:10 PM »
Well, the Orisis is as good as it get's it's IS and it still has considerable firepower and speed; you just can't have everything for so few C-Bills.
I think you misunderstood the intention of OP. Read this:
The Osiris Prime is supposed to be the best IS light brawler we have, none of this glass cannon stuff, its supposed to have good armor, be very fast, and have a variety of weapons
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The glass cannon model for the Osiris is the WRONG direction. I hope it does not continue down this path, and I'm being honest when I say I am the only one I see use it alot.
The Prime needs its 5MBL, and it needs its full 4 1/2 tons of armor; I really don't care where the other variants go for now.
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2010, 03:12:24 PM »
 I agree with Invictus, Osiris is works out really crappy most of the time because of it's designated "glass canon" status. Osiris is supposed to be IS counter to Kit Fox, and now it could be one-shoted by practically anything in the game. I'm not against having glass cannon mech in MWLL, but I'm all for using appropriate asset for that purpose: Dart, Locust or Flea would be much more suited to fill such role. They should probably be "boosted" a little, but mechs with excessive tonnage are already in MWLL, no? Besides, adding a little more weapons on the lighter mech is IMO better than stripping a couple of tons of armour form Osiris just to make it "glassy".

 BTW, speaking of Osiris, I still think it could use a little remodelling. ::)




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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2010, 05:24:39 PM »
The current Osiris prime is a shitty version of the Raven Prime with less armor, electronics, and firepower. +1 to more armor and some extra guns on it.

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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2010, 06:49:37 PM »
I have to agree, there's times I mouse over the Osiris and want to use it, but better judgment kicks in. The other day I joined late into a Thunder Rift match and decided to take the AC20 one just for, well I don't know why. But when the other team saw it, they literally laughed at it in chat. Granted I did do a nice flank maneuver but who knows how that would have turned out, the game ended before I could get more then a few shots off.

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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2010, 06:53:28 PM »
Well, the Orisis is as good as it get's it's IS and it still has considerable firepower and speed; you just can't have everything for so few C-Bills.

That's the thing, I for one would not paying a little more if that were a tradeoff the devs introduce.

I agree with the others here that the osiris variants (particularly the prime) are far too weak, and knowing that you'll get shredded unless there are plenty of others around to distract the enemy is very demotivating.

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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2010, 10:27:56 PM »
I agree fully,

I always use it at the start.. and it absolutely blows. While I enjoy zipping about and firing SRMs into peoples faces, it's just too damn weak for a brawler, one good guass hit and you're crippled.

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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2010, 10:33:19 PM »
Is it possible to only have glass cannon armour on the AC20 variant, and have normal armour for other variants?
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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2010, 10:53:48 PM »
Is it possible to only have glass cannon armour on the AC20 variant, and have normal armour for other variants?
On the Osiris C (MPL boat) and Prime, yeah. The ERLBL variant has fitting armor IMO, as it's a sniping mech and can easily run away with its MASC.

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Re: Orisis concerns.
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 03:47:51 AM »
I wouldn't mind paying 15 - 20k more for something that is actually useful.

The fact that it's so cheap makes me wonder what you're supposed to do with the spare cash, considering you'll die before your 2 minute no trade penalty is up
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