Heavy lasers OP against BA

[ravensword227]

It used to be a lot easier to play BA, now I notice that a lot more things kill BA, often, which is ok.  Wether its the Partisan chain-fired LBXs,  AC/5s, or the many new flamer variants, they're realistic and indisputable.

The  questionable of the lot however is heavy lasers. I have to ask myself why am I being targeted preferentially by Puma D's in heated fights involving other mechs? I'm an easy target, that's why?  What

Worst of the lot is the heavy medium and light lasers.  These things are like a battle armor "off" switch.  Are they intended to last so long?  I'd presume that the heavy series of lasers would be more abrupt than normal lasers seeing as how they are, apparently in namesake, just over-driven versions of regular lasers.  I tried timing my m-PPC bursts, hiding at long range, etc., none of it works.  Apparently you don't even have to aim at your target with heavy lasers, you just aim in the general direction and sweep a bit.   

Right now I'm loving to attack Puma D's and just forget about them, going to another target, to annoy them seeing as how frustrating it must be that I don't pop up so they can waste me in ridiculous short fashion.  Denied!

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

oooo i actually never thought about chain firing heavy lasers to have a continuous anti BA beam thanks for the tip!

[ravensword227]

oooo i actually never thought about chain firing heavy lasers to have a continuous anti BA beam thanks for the tip!

Sure it works.  Here's one better:  you can't chain fire some variants so get yourself a good joystick or mouse and just bind them to different buttons.  Most of the time I get wasted by the first one though.  Serious OP overkill.

[AlfalphaCat]

R u effin serious? They are heavy lasers, I have a hard time killing BA with them.  ^This post has me stumped!!

[ravensword227]

R u effin serious? They are heavy lasers, I have a hard time killing BA with them.  ^This post has me stumped!!

If you mean that I get to shoot you two or three times with a m-PPC and a SRM-2 before you kill me, then I guess you'll have a hard time.  Why wouldn't you have a easier time hosing me down rather than pin pointing me with a regular laser?

This isn't a hard concept.  Devs already admitted that, against BA, the Bear AC needed a buff because players were just using micro Heavy lasers - don't you find that most of the time those also are what killing you as a BA?  Same thing with them when they're strapped onto mechs.  Personally the micro heavy feels goofy and too powerful too - it just lasts too long.  I refuse to believe I have that much power without a micro nuclear cell.

EDIT:  I'm not going to pretend that that Puma E does not have a **** eating grin, that's why he sits there for five minutes waiting for me to pop up over the hanger on marshes.  I'm not going to pretend I have not gotten killed more than once by Puma E's that were being rocked by mech SRM vollies, ignoring them to kill me instead!

[AlfalphaCat]

Well, i guess my main point is, that all weapons are 'OP' against BA.  Just the way things are, almost all weapons kill BA with direct hits, though some weapons are easier to make direct hits with. 

Yes, I have been in that situation, on Inferno.  I was in a HL Puma, didn't think to chainfire, but I hit the BA numerous times.  He kept hiding in order to heal, so it was frustrating to some degree.  That guy ate my ass up!!  If some of my team had helped even a little with the flushing out I would have had a BA kill instead of going for repairs 'early'.

[lessergod]

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[ravensword227]

Well, i guess my main point is, that all weapons are 'OP' against BA.  Just the way things are, almost all weapons kill BA with direct hits, though some weapons are easier to make direct hits with. 

Yeah but heavy medium and heavy light lasers are ideal against BA.  Not flamers and perhaps not even LBX (when chain-fired).  Was that intended?  How does an over driven laser last longer than a regular and not burn out its assembly?  How often do you see a long tom, ppc or heavy gauss being used against BA - aren't those "OP against BA" too?

People with this weapon are targeting me opportunistically way more than mechs in the fray, at ALL ranges.  Ignoring the fact that it doesn't make much sense to liberally use heavy lasers to kill Elementals, it also doesn't make sense that I just keep feeding them no matter what strategy I use - money wise this weapon makes sense to shoot BA first and it is OBVIOUS.

EDIT:  Its also boring that everyone is running them, to the neglect of the other variants.

[CHHš Aurailius]

Well, i guess my main point is, that all weapons are 'OP' against BA.  Just the way things are, almost all weapons kill BA with direct hits, though some weapons are easier to make direct hits with. 

Yeah but heavy medium and heavy light lasers are ideal against BA.  Not flamers and perhaps not even LBX (when chain-fired).  Was that intended?  How does an over driven laser last longer than a regular and not burn out its assembly? 

People with this weapon are targeting me opportunistically way more than mechs in the fray, at ALL ranges.  Ignoring the fact that it doesn't make much sense to liberally use heavy lasers to kill Elementals, it also doesn't make sense that I just keep feeding them no matter what strategy I use - money wise this weapon makes sense to shoot BA first and it is OBVIOUS.

Because it has more capacitors and a lower intensity beam.  The heavy lasers arn't OP against BA, they arn't anywhere near the most effective weapon against them (RACs, Light ACs and Light UACs beat the hell out of them).

[ravensword227]

Because it has more capacitors and a lower intensity beam.  The heavy lasers arn't OP against BA, they arn't anywhere near the most effective weapon against them (RACs, Light ACs and Light UACs beat the hell out of them).

Well they're better than regular lasers.  Most of the time you miss with regular lasers it seems like you were just a millisecond away from hitting BA.  With heavy lasers?  You have a better chance of hitting and you do more damage when you do hit.

Maybe RACs, but few field them because they run out of ammo too fast and do little damage to anything other than BA and Aeros (not very powerful to VTOLs either), and I can't comment on ACs and UACs except on Partisan.  Unless he has a friend that allows him to back up while firing at me, he can't turn fast enough and I frequently take him out or do a great deal of damage.  I'm being killed by heavy lasers consistently a second into them turning that hose on.

[AlfalphaCat]

Well I have ripped BA in half at 250m with a UAC10, so I still think this thread is moot.  Heavy lasers are a bitch to aim, try them you might change your mind if your in the driver seat.

[~SJ~ Xarg Talasko]

The reason the heavy lasers take so long to discharge is because if they fired very quickly, they'd be like gauss/ppc, fire 'n' forget. Now, you have to hold the laser on a target/section for longer to deal the full damage, resulting in more time exposed. The unfortunate side effect is that while a 'Mech can't just pop out and unload lolwut damage on an enemy mech, they now have an energy garden hose to nail BA with.

[CGB [CoffiNail]]

No idea where you are coming from.  All depends on you as a BA.  I had a Adder D chsing me around d4 base in Kago last night,  He either got so pissed off he ragequit or CTD... either way i kep kept running, putting trees and rocks between us, jjing at good times to get a pop or two in.

 Your anti-mech infantry, not anti-mech gods.  I know people claim these BA are as strong as a whole point of BA, i say maybe two BA... either way.  You are not meant to stand there and go pew pew pew, anything will kill you then.

[[MPB]OM_Sannyasi]

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[The Thing }12thVR{]

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Even if you nerf heavy lasers against BA i'll still kill you with lasers, PPCs, AC, RAC, ....the list goes on.