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Offline Blu C

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Weapon Consolidation Plan
« on: January 31, 2011, 10:49:24 PM »
Currently I have things broken up into 5 phases, with the 1st phase being the most work intensive.


Phase 1: Create Consolidated Pages with current information about weapons, breaking the weapons into 'classes'.  Currently existing pages will be left in place (and continue to be linked to) so that all currently available information remains available while new pages are constructed.

A standardized page format will be used that will follow the following template:


Code: [Select]
(Introduction Blurb)

==Overview==
(General properties of the class)

==Weapon Statistics==
(Statistics for all weapons in the class)

===Specific Weapon Sub-Sections===
(As Necessary)

==MWLL History==
(As Necessary)

==Canon==
(Notes on the weapons in the CBT setting and the differences from MWLL)

==See Also==
(Links to closely related weapon classes)

Important Notes:
The current weapon template will be poorly suited for these style pages as it was designed with the intention of displaying information for a single weapon with IS and Clan variants.  We can either come up with a new template better suited for displaying info on closely related weapons or use a table like the current Weapons page.

Any new template should be able to display:
*Several types of weapons that are closely related (clan versions included)
*Effective (lock-on) Range
**Maximum Range
**Minimum Range
*Ammo/ton
*Heat generated
*Damage (and type?)
*Splash Radius
*Heat transferred
*Rate of Fire
*Duration?


Proposed Weapon Class Groupings.  Notes about groupings/weapons are placed in brackets.

Gauss Rifles
*LGR
*(C)GR
*HGR

Standard AutoCannons [Current 'AutoCannon' page would be retained as all AC's belong to the "super-class" AutoCannon (which in turn belongs to the "super-super-class" Ballistic Weapons)]
*AC2
*AC5
*AC10
*AC20
*BA AC2

Lubalin Ballistics-X AutoCannons
*(C)LBX2
*(C)LBX5
*(C)LBX10
*(C)LBX20

Ultra AutoCannons
*(C)UAC2
*(C)UAC5
*(C)UAC10
*(C)UAC20

Rotary AutoCannons
*RAC2
*RAC5
*BA Bear AC

Long Range Missiles
*(C)LRM5
*(C)LRM10
*(C)LRM15
*(C)LRM20

Extended Range Long Range Missiles
*ERLRM5
*ERLRM10
*ERLRM15
*ERLRM20

Medium Range Missiles
*MRM10
*MRM20
*MRM30
*MRM40

Advanced Tactical Missiles
*ATM3
*ATM6
*ATM9
*ATM12

Streak Short Range Missiles
*(C)SSRM2
*(C)SSRM4
*(C)SSRM6
*(C)Dual SRM2
*(C)Dual SRM4
*(C)Dual SRM6

Short Range Missiles
*(C)SRM2
*(C)SRM4
*(C)SRM6

Standard Beam Lasers
*BA SBL
*SBL
*MBL
*LBL

Extended Range Beam Lasers
*(C)ERSBL
*(C)ERMBL
*(C)ERLBL

Pulse Lasers
*(C)SPL
*(C)MPL
*(C)LPL

X-Pulse Lasers
*SXPL
*MXPL
*LXPL

Heavy Lasers
*BA MHL
*CHSL
*CHML
*CHLL

Particle Projection Cannons
*BA PPC
*PPC
*(C)ERPPC

Thunderbolts
*Tbolt10
*Tbolt15

Artillery
*Long Tom Artillery
*ArrowIV [Canonically regarded primary as an artillery type weapon]

Bombs [Separate grouping in anticipation of other bomb types, such as HE, Cluster, ect.]
*Firebomb

Anti-Infantry [May need a different name]
*MG [Does this belong here?  Might it go better with Standard AC or RAC's?]
*Flamer
*BA Flamer

Guidance [Maybe 'Missile Guidance' would be better?]
*BA TAG
*TAG
*NARC [Serves the same role as TAG]
*BA Throwable NARC [Same as NARC]

Grenades
*BA C8
*BA Inferno Charge



Phase 2: Replace current individual weapon pages with redirects.  Add additional redirects as deemed necessary.

Suggested Redirects:
Gauss Rifles
*GR
*CGR
*LGR
*HGR
*Gauss Rifle

Standard AutoCannons
*AC2
*AC5
*AC10
*AC20
*BA AC2
*AC
*Standard AutoCannon

Lubalin Ballistics-X AutoCannons
*LBX2
*LBX5
*LBX10
*LBX20
*CLBX2
*CLBX5
*CLBX10
*CLBX20
*LBX
*CLBX
*Lubalin Ballistics-X AutoCannon

Ultra AutoCannons
*UAC2
*UAC5
*UAC10
*UAC20
*CUAC2
*CUAC5
*CUAC10
*CUAC20
*UAC
*CUAC
*Ultra AutoCannon

Rotary AutoCannons
*RAC2
*RAC5
*BA Bear AC
*RAC
*Rotary AutoCannon

Long Range Missiles
*LRM5
*LRM10
*LRM15
*LRM20
*CLRM5
*CLRM10
*CLRM15
*CLRM20
*LRM
*CLRM
*Long Range Missile

Extended Range Long Range Missiles
*ERLRM5
*ERLRM10
*ERLRM15
*ERLRM20
*ERLRM
*Extended Range Long Range Missile

Medium Range Missiles
*MRM10
*MRM20
*MRM30
*MRM40
*MRM
*Medium Range Missile

Advanced Tactical Missiles
*ATM3
*ATM6
*ATM9
*ATM12
*ATM
*Advanced Tactical Missile

Streak Short Range Missiles
*SSRM2
*SSRM4
*SSRM6
*DSSRM2
*DSSRM4
*DSSRM6
*CSSRM2
*CSSRM4
*CSSRM6
*CDSSRM2
*CDSSRM4
*CDSSRM6
*SSRM
*CSSRM
*Streak Short Range Missile
*Streak SRM

Short Range Missiles
*SRM2
*SRM4
*SRM6
*CSRM2
*CSRM4
*CSRM6
*SRM
*CSRM
*Short Range Missile

Standard Beam Lasers
*BA SBL
*SBL
*MBL
*LBL
*Standard Beam Laser

Extended Range Beam Lasers
*ERSBL
*ERMBL
*ERLBL
*CERSBL
*CERMBL
*CERLBL
*Extended Range Beam Laser

Pulse Lasers
*SPL
*MPL
*LPL
*CSPL
*CMPL
*CLPL
*Pulse Laser

X-Pulse Lasers
*SXPL
*MXPL
*LXPL
*X-Pulse Laser

Heavy Lasers
*BA MHL
*CHSL
*CHML
*CHLL
*Heavy Laser

Particle Projection Cannons
*BA PPC
*PPC
*ERPPC
*CERPPC
*Particle Projection Cannon

Thunderbolts
*Tbolt10
*Tbolt15
*Tbolt
*Thunderbolt

Artillery
*Long Tom Artillery
*ArrowIV

Bombs
*Firebomb

Anti-Infantry
*MG
*Flamer
*BA Flamer

Guidance
*BA TAG
*TAG
*NARC
*BA Throwable NARC
*Target Acquisition Gear

Grenades
*BA C8
*BA Inferno Charge


Phase 3: Removal of double-redirects and repair of any broken redirects (hopefully there won't be many broken redirects).

Phase 4: Removal of any duplicate pages or page references/wanted pages (for example, currently there are wanted pages for both CDSSRM6 and Double SSRM6).

Phase 5: Continual maintenance of the pages with up-to-date weapon values.  Possibly aided through a script.

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2011, 10:51:16 PM »
I'll try to keep the above up to date with any suggestions/additions/subtractions that people think should be made.

Any comments are very welcome.  I would like to get some feedback on this specific plan before anything is actually done since this will end up having a major impact on the Wiki even if it goes through smoothly.

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 10:58:20 PM »
I'm going to start Phase 1 now, beginning with the Ballistic Weapons, moving on to Energy Weapons, and finishing up with Missile Weapons and everything else.  Since I won't have anything in the Wiki linking to them (yet) I'll post the links in this post as they go up.

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 06:57:23 AM »
I'm 80% complete on writing a PHP script to parse the weapon data XML and outputting it to a file.

However I wrote my output in HTML since I do not know what kind of formatting the wiki needs. Can you give me an example of how the formatting should look when pasted into the wiki page?

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 07:41:40 AM »
Nice, i like where that is going :)
One minor thing: It might be nice if related Weapons (e.g. AC: UAC, LBX) would be also mentioned textually and maybe a quick note on why you would chose this weapon over the others?

@(TLL)Eldragon:
See e.g. the tables here:
http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Standard_AutoCannons
And here:
http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Weapons
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« Last Edit: February 02, 2011, 07:48:22 AM by 7.[WD]Cygma »
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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 07:45:35 AM »
I'm 80% complete on writing a PHP script to parse the weapon data XML and outputting it to a file.

However I wrote my output in HTML since I do not know what kind of formatting the wiki needs. Can you give me an example of how the formatting should look when pasted into the wiki page?

I've currently got three pages posted, and that is the format I am going with right now.

Take a look and let me know if those example pages give you what you need.  There will probably be slight differences between what I already have (they are all ballistic weapons) and what I put up for Energy/Missile/whatever else weapons.  It should be pretty close, though, since I am trying to make things as 'standardized' as possible.  If you like I can work out how I want to do those different weapons as well.

Nice, i like where that is going :)
One minor thing: It might be nice if related Weapons (e.g. AC: UAC, LBX) would be also mentioned textually and maybe a quick note on why you would chose this weapon over the others?

@(TLL)Eldragon:
See e.g. the tables here:
http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Standard_AutoCannons
And here:
http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Weapons
(click on edit after logging in to see the source)


You are quite right there, but my primary focus is to simply get the pages up right now, so that is a 'later' project on my table.  If you would like to pick it up and do it yourself, though, be my guest.   :)

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 07:50:32 AM »
Fair enough, just saying it now while the new format is established - i suck at writing "prose" anyway, so i stick to constructive input there ;)

Sidenote: Rolled back the merge of CUACs and UACs in Weapons, they are implemented seperately and can differ.
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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 07:57:01 AM »
That's all right, I just wasn't sure why they were being treated special.

EDIT:
Oh, on that note do you think it might be prudent, then, to break up the other IS and Clan versions of weapons for my newly created pages?
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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2011, 03:57:24 PM »
I think I have enough information to get the basic tables generated. Once that is done, I'll order the columns and perform any extra calculations as needed.

I am going to have the script generate both HTML and Wiki tables. That way you don't need to use the wiki to see the results.

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 06:50:43 PM »
Oh, on that note do you think it might be prudent, then, to break up the other IS and Clan versions of weapons for my newly created pages?
Either that or something like:
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Clan: xyz
IS: zyx
I guess simply putting the Clan/IS values in the same table would be a bit cleaner?
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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 11:09:48 PM »
Eh, I've just gone ahead and broken the IS and Clan versions apart for now.

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 12:25:22 AM »
I just added in the first of the missile weapons (Long Range Missiles) and will next do an energy weapon (Pulse Lasers probably) to give an example of how they will work as well.

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 03:19:48 AM »
Considering making a minor reworking of the tables already posted, mostly because I think there is some information on there which really isn't necessary (specifically the heat/s field).

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 06:45:01 AM »
Took a short break.  Adding more pages again.  :)

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Re: Weapon Consolidation Plan
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 10:37:29 AM »
Nice work so far :)
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