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OVerseas budget build challenge!
« on: February 21, 2011, 02:10:54 AM »
K guys,
I am trying to help out a cousin with his build while I am here in the philippines. He has about... 500usd or 21,000 p<esos><<@43 pesos to the usdollar>> to work with .

A major handicap is that supplies here are lame at best. No new egg etc. What they have is PC express. http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/processor?order=price&dir=asc
My first question is processors.
He was looking at this.
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/processor/intel-core-i5-650-3-20g-4mb-v733mhz.html

A nice cpu yep, but half his budget practically. He is looking to game, not hard core, like us, but I feel that the cpu is just way more than he needs. I was looking at new egg and noticed that still almost half of the cpus are lga 775. It also looks like the new sandy bridge are a seperate socket type from some I5s etc. My question is , is intel making it more difficult to future proof with different socket types. ?
Is it still a decent route to go lga 775 so that he can get like a 5770 gpu instead of a gtx250
 heres a list of what he had picked out.
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/processor/intel-core-i5-650-3-20g-4mb-v733mhz.html

http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/motherboard/asus-p5ql-se-p43-1333fsb-pcie-s-gl-4000.html
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/motherboard/msi-770-g45-amd770-xfire-ddr3-s-gl.html
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/graphic-cards/inno3d-gts250-1gb-ddr3-256b-dual-dvi.html

for the record , i have the e5200, which i think is the same cpu listed at pcexpress, cept it doesnt say wolfsdale. imo it is a badass budget chip that i with minimal knowledge and a decent mb was able to oc to close to 4.0ghz with a 1330 ? fsb.
PLEASE REMEMBER< money IS an issue. 75 usd a week is a DECENT wage here so remember we are trying to get bang for the buck .
Tnks for the help.
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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 09:24:35 PM »
      Phenom II X2 555 (3.2G) 7mb black ed.    

   
₱4,400.00
   Inno3D GTX460 768ddr5 192b hdmi    
₱6,550.00
      
    MSI 770-G45 AMD770 Xfire/ddr3/S/GL    
₱3,850.00
      
   Kingston / Corsair 4GB 1333 ddr3    
₱1,995.00
      
   CoolerMaster EX 460w    
      
₱2,000.00

Grand Total    ₱18,795.00

x2 555 should unlock to at least x3.......slap it in a box .... apply CCC lvl 2.....enjoy!

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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 01:37:35 AM »
      Phenom II X2 555 (3.2G) 7mb black ed.    

   
₱4,400.00
   Inno3D GTX460 768ddr5 192b hdmi    
₱6,550.00
      
    MSI 770-G45 AMD770 Xfire/ddr3/S/GL    
₱3,850.00
      
   Kingston / Corsair 4GB 1333 ddr3    
₱1,995.00
      
   CoolerMaster EX 460w    
      
₱2,000.00

Grand Total    ₱18,795.00

x2 555 should unlock to at least x3.......slap it in a box .... apply CCC lvl 2.....enjoy!

CCC LVL2?  that system should do at least LVL 3 at 1920x1080....if the OP is using a smaller monitor like a 19 inch at 1440x900 he might get away with LVL 4



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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2011, 12:21:53 AM »
tnks steppin. +1
essentially the same thing I came up with after some discussion on techpower up. Really wanted to go intel again, < my E5200 is badass and cheap> biut was shown how 775 is really dead while am3might still be around in a few years. am3+ isnt even out yet so seems likely.
Was also looking at this board
http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/msi-870-g45-amd770-am3-ddr3-s-gl.html

btw, is there any method of knowing which MB are intel or amd on that site? Seems like a nightmare to navigate. I was doing it just trial and error.
Since he is NOT a mwll junkie<yet> there is still some discussion as whether or not to go with the phenom 555 or an athlon x3
knowing you have a third core, vs maybe unlocking vs L3 cache.
btw, as of now, he is running a small crt monitor.
yeah, even at retail , its basically a few years behind here. The corruption at the ports , govt , everywhere etc really hampers industry and commerce which is sad to say the least.

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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 01:01:09 AM »
Go with a Phenom, Athlon even with 3 cores is not gonna be as good.

Just find the socket type if you are not sure about the chipset for a MOBO, then find out what that socket is compatible with.

That build looks good, the only prob is no SLI in the future, but maybe a better ATI now would be a wiser decision?  They are pricey from what I can gather from that site.  http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/components/graphic-cards/pc-hd5770-1gb-ddr5-hdmi-vortex-fan.html, a little more than the Nvidia, but better.   :) :)

Well, this is almost the same as Razor's build, and only 1000 pesos more, give or take a bit.  Does your cousin need any thing else besides the above components?   This is what I came up with, and I used the other MSI board, because it cost not much more, but I think it is just a little better.

http://www.pcx.com.ph/index.php/checkout/cart/
« Last Edit: February 23, 2011, 01:18:39 AM by AlfalphaCat »

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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 02:18:47 AM »
I disagree with the SLI comment.  SLI is a terrible upgrade path to plan for.  you should always get the fastest single card you can for your money, or go SLI right away because by the time most people get around to getting the second card they can typically get the same or better performance from a single faster card with around half as much heat and power consumption.

for instance I built this system just in December.  it would make no sense to pay over $400 to have matching 460GTX's for SLI when I can get a single card for under $400 or so that will perform the same as SLI 460's but do it cooler and with less system stress, not to mention all the driver and game complications that can come from SLI that usually do not come up with single card configs.

not to mention the OP said the guy is playing on a tiny CRT.....he really shouldnt even be getting a 460GTX for a tiny CRT but at least he can upgrade the monitor later and be okay, but SLI on a Athlon II and tiny CRT monitor makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 02:59:08 AM »
I disagree with the SLI comment.  SLI is a terrible upgrade path to plan for.  you should always get the fastest single card you can for your money, or go SLI right away because by the time most people get around to getting the second card they can typically get the same or better performance from a single faster card with around half as much heat and power consumption.

for instance I built this system just in December.  it would make no sense to pay over $400 to have matching 460GTX's for SLI when I can get a single card for under $400 or so that will perform the same as SLI 460's but do it cooler and with less system stress, not to mention all the driver and game complications that can come from SLI that usually do not come up with single card configs.

not to mention the OP said the guy is playing on a tiny CRT.....he really shouldnt even be getting a 460GTX for a tiny CRT but at least he can upgrade the monitor later and be okay, but SLI on a Athlon II and tiny CRT monitor makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

I totally agree, that is why I suggested the 5770 at 1gig, instead of the 460 at 786. 
One good card is always a better route IMO.  And yes, I would plan on a monitor upgrade, but that is something that can be done at anytime.   :) :)

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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 01:49:54 AM »
Sry AC, but that 5770 doesnt even come close to the 460.
The 1gb of gpu ram is also completely unnecessary . I was contemplating the 512 5770  till I came across the numbers for the 460.
If you google 512 v 1 gb gpu ram, you will see that up to the 5770 1 gb is really overkill. The numbers between two cards withthe only diff being ram are identical for most resolutions.
By giving my cousin a 460, he will have a smoking system that will tear up anything till he gets a new monitor at the very least. Ill also be avoiding the mistake i made with my build which was not spending the xtra 30 usd on a better gpu, but mine still works pretty good.
Going back to the province this weekend, finally get to play a lil mw. tnk god.
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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 02:12:46 AM »
Sry AC, but that 5770 doesnt even come close to the 460.
The 1gb of gpu ram is also completely unnecessary . I was contemplating the 512 5770  till I came across the numbers for the 460.
If you google 512 v 1 gb gpu ram, you will see that up to the 5770 1 gb is really overkill. The numbers between two cards withthe only diff being ram are identical for most resolutions.
By giving my cousin a 460, he will have a smoking system that will tear up anything till he gets a new monitor at the very least. Ill also be avoiding the mistake i made with my build which was not spending the xtra 30 usd on a better gpu, but mine still works pretty good.
Going back to the province this weekend, finally get to play a lil mw. tnk god.
tnks for all d input.

At low res you could buy any card over £140 and it really won't make much difference and most cards come with 512mb at least these days. If you had the choice you would choose more Vram, just becuase why not :P But Of course cost does come into play. The 460 having less ram, does hit it's performance, but only on 1900x1200 res and above. Anything lower, and it's not gonna be the Vram thats holding it back, but the speed of the card. And the 460 (for it's price) is extremly good.

If you have a few more ££££ to spend, I would highly recommend the 560, which uses less power, makes less heat, and runs quite a bit faster. But does cost a bit more, so thats upto you. Otherwise your looking at any of the 6000 Series of ATI cards which perform easily as well.

Still, I would get the monitor first, or at least with the GC, so you are actually using what you have brought ^^
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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 02:24:55 AM »
Just thought I would make it more clear have a look on this webpage I found.

http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/780310-how-much-vram-do-you-need.html

Clearly states roughly how much Vram is needed for the res and graphic settings that he tested.

It's pretty intresting to say the least.
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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 02:47:18 AM »
Sry AC, but that 5770 doesnt even come close to the 460.
The 1gb of gpu ram is also completely unnecessary . I was contemplating the 512 5770  till I came across the numbers for the 460.
If you google 512 v 1 gb gpu ram, you will see that up to the 5770 1 gb is really overkill. The numbers between two cards withthe only diff being ram are identical for most resolutions.
By giving my cousin a 460, he will have a smoking system that will tear up anything till he gets a new monitor at the very least. Ill also be avoiding the mistake i made with my build which was not spending the xtra 30 usd on a better gpu, but mine still works pretty good.
Going back to the province this weekend, finally get to play a lil mw. tnk god.
tnks for all d input.

1Gb is not overkill in general but on the 5770 specifically it is, that's only because the 5770 has a narrow 128bit memory bus so no matter how much memory it has it cant move that data fast enough to utilize it well

the 460 1Gb model is a 256bit memory bus card and it has the raw GPU power to utilize that memory, MWLL eats up every ounce of memory on mine and asks for more

average joe doesnt know the difference, he sees 1Gb and "amazing 3D performance" and a $125 pricetag and jumps all over it

what he does not know is that the GPU is weak, the memory bus is narrow, the memory could very well be DDR2 or GDDR3 memory (as opposed to GDDR5), and then wants to complain that MWLL runs like trash at 1920x1080 on their 1Gb new card....as if all memory is created equal




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Re: OVerseas budget build challenge!
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 11:12:21 AM »
Have to agree with Talon, speed of the Vram, and the bus, is more important than size.
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