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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2011, 10:40:50 PM »
Again, cost benefit analysis says that he's made one of the classic blunders. The most famous of which is never start a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go in against a Sicellan when death is on the line!

+1 just for quoting such a great movie!

*Edit* and another +1 to Deity for quoting the movie in the title, therefore inspiring Arbiter to make his :)

On a serious note about arming:
1. Arming is a valid tactic that leaves your opponents mostly dead.  Not all dead.
2. They say the best tactic is to bluff.  So you were likely circle strafing, and he cheated.
3. You could always call for the brute squad.

I disagree.  I challenge you to a duel to the pain.
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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2011, 11:06:09 PM »
Remember, ripping people apart piece by piece nets you more Cbills than just straight out killing someone.

Also, just killing someone sends them back to base with a new chunk of cash. If you rip off their weapons, and don't kill them, it takes them out of the battle for a longer period of time considering you can't repair lost limbs and would have to either fight with what you have left, or fight as a BA with less firepower till you die.

This. Also, taking people's arms off makes them hate me, which makes them make poor decisions sometimes. So it's all good.

I would leg more if servers allowed for it, as I honestly don't have a huge problem with it, but I also think it's cheesy to JUST go for legs EVERY time.

I will DEFINATELY leg if you're in say, a puma, get surprised by my beatstick, I don't kill you in the first alpha and you start to run away. Guess what? Next shot's going to take your leg off so I can finish you off.

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2011, 11:12:27 PM »
Again, cost benefit analysis says that he's made one of the classic blunders. The most famous of which is never start a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go in against a Sicellan when death is on the line!

+1 just for quoting such a great movie!

*Edit* and another +1 to Deity for quoting the movie in the title, therefore inspiring Arbiter to make his :)

On a serious note about arming:
1. Arming is a valid tactic that leaves your opponents mostly dead.  Not all dead.
2. They say the best tactic is to bluff.  So you were likely circle strafing, and he cheated.
3. You could always call for the brute squad.

I disagree.  I challenge you to a duel to the pain.

Very well.  Location I choose as the pit of despair.

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2011, 11:57:23 PM »
I've also began to see this. Though to be honest I do not see a use in the pub servers, if you blow my arm off I'll just run into your area and try and go 'BOOM' next to you and your friends haha. BUT I do see this as a good strategy for league play where you may not have respawning.

I will aim for arms if they have UAC20's, IE the shadowcat etc. But if I'm not going for the CT, I am for the cockpit, it is so pleasing to see the kill register and their battlemech just standing there! haha

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2011, 12:18:23 AM »
Again, cost benefit analysis says that he's made one of the classic blunders. The most famous of which is never start a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go in against a Sicellan when death is on the line!

+1 just for quoting such a great movie!

*Edit* and another +1 to Deity for quoting the movie in the title, therefore inspiring Arbiter to make his :)

On a serious note about arming:
1. Arming is a valid tactic that leaves your opponents mostly dead.  Not all dead.
2. They say the best tactic is to bluff.  So you were likely circle strafing, and he cheated.
3. You could always call for the brute squad.

I disagree.  I challenge you to a duel to the pain.

Very well.  Location I choose as the pit of despair.

I'll tap Miracle Max just in case either of you ends up only mostly dead.
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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2011, 08:40:57 PM »
Yesterday, on DV I got armed in an owens, had four enemies around me and everyone ne was two chicken to core me while i tore apart and uller and a atm puma. I was all red before i died. I think a neurosis is flooding the mod. Arms must look delicious. Zombie mech pilots. Just glad they are going for arms an not pilot brains yet.

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2011, 09:25:24 PM »
Yesterday, on DV I got armed in an owens, had four enemies around me and everyone ne was two chicken to core me while i tore apart and uller and a atm puma. I was all red before i died. I think a neurosis is flooding the mod. Arms must look delicious. Zombie mech pilots. Just glad they are going for arms an not pilot brains yet.

Dunno about that. I've taken a liking to using a Hvy Gauss Hollander and pulling headshots.

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2011, 12:44:51 AM »
Arming is the new legging?  ???

I guess I need to leg, then arm people, or visa versa

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2011, 01:59:48 AM »
Taking them apart relieves boredom ;) .... but then so does rushing into 3 or 4 v 1's....


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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2011, 09:42:20 AM »
most of the league style matches I've been in have had legging as an option and here's my findings.

That as in explicitly allowed, or not explicitly forbidden?
Asking because I believe it might be a distinct possibility some may just assume they are not to shoot at legs due to earlier league season rules and/or personal convictions. For the matches I was involved in against you people I can say that the only thought on aiming in regards to legs was to keep it well high to avoid it.

As for the topic on arming: Situational I say. 2 things need to be true in order for arming to be the tactical sound decision.
1) You need to have weapons suitable for the job,
2) Opponent need to be vulnerable to arming.

As for item 1 on the list, this should be fairly obvious. If you are packing missiles or PPCs arming is not going to be viable (Yes yes, you CAN do it, and yes if you are just outside a bushwackers torso twist range trailing him at 4 or 5 o clock you can arm him with any weapon you may have that can hit, but I am speaking in general terms). UACs are good at arming only when you can charge a side and unload enough damage in the first assault to take that arm off. Once it starts twisting and stuff at least I tend to spread the UAC rounds a bit too much for arming to good in general (unless there are giant arms like Shadowcat C gauss or something).

As for item 2 on the list, well anything with the majority of firepower in one place is a good candidate for arming. Firepower is not the only thing though, ease to hit is another. A nova cat for instance it takes less damage to core it then taking off both arms. The thing is, the nova cat pilot might not be a retard and as such might start twisting around. But those arms are giant, so get to the side (preferably right outside their torso twist range) then you can hammer that arm all day long. When in teams there is also often quite common in a brawl that you and your mate can not fire on the same location. But if both of you have weapons that are suitable for taking arms, then get on either side and take one arm each. Shadowcat C of course should always loose its gauss arm first. Removes half its firepower and almost all the side torso armour. That big thing you can also fit from almost any angle.

The key as I see it is to remove incoming damage as fast as possible. How that is done is situational. Sometimes it is faster to outright core something. Other cases it is faster to strip an arm of.

/Merf - Thinking it would take quite a while to compile a flowchart covering every situation where you have to decide on arming or not arming.

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2011, 09:55:21 AM »
Let's not turn this into a legging thread.  We've already established people who complain about legging are a cry babies, and it's a valid tactic working as intended.  To death.  In countless threads.

This thread is about arming and an innocent OP wondering why it's being more popular.  He got answered a few posts down, too, quite nicely:  Forcing pilots to retreat or leaving them with junked 'mechs, chassis depending.  People often will sell an downgrade even if they escape rather than drive back out with a limbed 'mech, even if it's not a super critical one. 

Long story short:  Arming is a great tactic on some 'mechs, and some situations.
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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2011, 11:52:02 AM »
We've already established people who complain about legging are a cry babies, and it's a valid tactic working as intended.  To death.  In countless threads.

Nothing has been established in that regard and thus it will continue to being discussed. If anything, both stances have been established by different groups of people.

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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2011, 12:13:01 PM »
Why is this an issue?  70% of players can't focus-fire a gaping red/black hitbox anyway...


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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2011, 01:37:26 PM »
lol true

Just don't forget many people have far worse FPS than you ;)
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Re: "Fezzik, tear his arms off."
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2011, 03:36:15 PM »
Remember, ripping people apart piece by piece nets you more Cbills than just straight out killing someone.

Also, just killing someone sends them back to base with a new chunk of cash. If you rip off their weapons, and don't kill them, it takes them out of the battle for a longer period of time considering you can't repair lost limbs and would have to either fight with what you have left, or fight as a BA with less firepower till you die.

This. Also, taking people's arms off makes them hate me, which makes them make poor decisions sometimes. So it's all good.

I would leg more if servers allowed for it, as I honestly don't have a huge problem with it, but I also think it's cheesy to JUST go for legs EVERY time.

I will DEFINATELY leg if you're in say, a puma, get surprised by my beatstick, I don't kill you in the first alpha and you start to run away. Guess what? Next shot's going to take your leg off so I can finish you off.

Btw....did you guys know, that if you get angry your brain starts producing a chemical which reduces your intellectual abilites.
So the angering should work quite well I guess.

Poor surprised Puma...go for its head when its looking at you with that incredulous expression asking : "....and wherrdafappdidyoucomfromnow???waaaaaaahhh "blam"..owwww" ;)
You really neednt go for his legs even if he started running instantly...I guess your and his accelaration-values get you another good alpha at his 6 o´clock which might slow him down considerably^^ (know that by fact from walking in the manner of old men with 2 walkingsticks back to base in a Scat that did hot-as-hell 19 kph straight and holy-cow fast 26 kph with masc, those were truly intense minutes having an eye on the non-existant rearviewmirror)

But to conclude this topic:
The leggings arent occuring that often in public matches to enable the community saying it was a problem.
Tactical Leggings arent fine but happen in drops/matches (By the way: Sorry Hiruma Kai for letting you lie there and wait so long)
Armings are the finest way to say: and what now, honey ? wanna run ?^^
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