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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2011, 06:29:58 PM »
it is easiet to see when firing the LBX10. Thanks to it's range and decent size particle effect. I first noticed it when I was in a beatstick.

Sorry, I am quite sure I won't rely on anything I discover in cockpit view. To make it sure I'd switch to spectator view and see it from above.
In cockpit view I am too easily fooled by the zoomfactor, range, angle and the view distance.
But thats just me.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2011, 08:49:26 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".
"A Goal without Vision is a Hallucination"


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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2011, 09:27:20 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".

Obviously you didn't read this thread Mr.Defender.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2011, 09:38:04 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".

Obviously you didn't read this thread Mr.Defender.


I did. That doesn't mean I agree. :)
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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2011, 09:49:35 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".

Obviously you didn't read this thread Mr.Defender.


I did. That doesn't mean I agree. :)

Nowhere in this thread anyone stated that the LBX don't work as intended or anything else like this.
Just the people who actually play the game have a discussion how they would prefer it to be.
Nothing else.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2011, 10:15:26 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".

Obviously you didn't read this thread Mr.Defender.


I did. That doesn't mean I agree. :)

Nowhere in this thread anyone stated that the LBX don't work as intended or anything else like this.
Just the people who actually play the game have a discussion how they would prefer it to be.
Nothing else.

Indeed. I was just making a general statement good sir. Glad we agree they're working as intended.
"A Goal without Vision is a Hallucination"


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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2011, 10:22:32 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".

Obviously you didn't read this thread Mr.Defender.


I did. That doesn't mean I agree. :)

Nowhere in this thread anyone stated that the LBX don't work as intended or anything else like this.
Just the people who actually play the game have a discussion how they would prefer it to be.
Nothing else.

Indeed. I was just making a general statement good sir. Glad we agree they're working as intended.

Gotta jump on the quote pyramid train and say, I agree too!

BUT

I'd still like it if the LBX behaved less like the AC20.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2011, 10:29:28 PM »
LBX20 are currently "Working as Intended™".

Obviously you didn't read this thread Mr.Defender.


I did. That doesn't mean I agree. :)

Nowhere in this thread anyone stated that the LBX don't work as intended or anything else like this.
Just the people who actually play the game have a discussion how they would prefer it to be.
Nothing else.

Indeed. I was just making a general statement good sir. Glad we agree they're working as intended.

Gotta jump on the quote pyramid train and say, I agree too!

BUT

I'd still like it if the LBX behaved less like the AC20.

Agree with Wolf.
In general: 'Working as intended' does not automatically include that the concept itself is good.
But again: LBX is fine. But could be better or differ more.
Me personally would leave the LBX like it is but dramatically change the U/AC 10/20.
But U/AC is not what this thread is about.  ;)

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2011, 12:23:30 AM »
These 2 videos of the Swedish 3P ammunition is what I'd prefer for the LBX as it would make the most sense as it can be set to AP mode or fragmentation much like the CBT counterparts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK64UnD3bvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3hC0vsZ5-8&feature=player_detailpage#t=272s

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2011, 03:49:48 PM »
These 2 videos of the Swedish 3P ammunition is what I'd prefer for the LBX as it would make the most sense as it can be set to AP mode or fragmentation much like the CBT counterparts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK64UnD3bvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3hC0vsZ5-8&feature=player_detailpage#t=272s

Shotguns don't work like the above videos. Those are rifled cannons that fire shells which have sensors inside that explode at a preset altitude.

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The LBX cluster shells would be a giant versions of this (shotgun wad) ...



Sabots or slugs would be ...

« Last Edit: April 18, 2011, 03:58:46 PM by Come and See »

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2011, 03:52:50 PM »
That opening.. pun?  Not even sure what the hell you'd call it, has to be one of the worst things I've read on these forums outside of toast.

Oh yeah, the LBX-20 is totally fine as is.

Your comments have been noted. You can return to whatever sewer you crawled out of.

Hopefully they've been noted enough that next time you want to give feedback on a weapon it won't kick off with an anecdote about punching weed smoking old ladies as an analogy that reads like it was written by a drunk Diablo Cody.  That'd be a good start!
« Last Edit: April 18, 2011, 04:12:51 PM by VictorMorson »
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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2011, 03:55:28 PM »
That opening.. pun?  Not even sure what the hell you'd call it, has to be one of the worst things I've read on these forums outside of toast.

Oh yeah, the LBX-20 is totally fine as is.

Your comments have been noted. You can return to whatever sewer you crawled out of.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2011, 12:18:34 AM »
Shotguns don't work like the above videos. Those are rifled cannons that fire shells which have sensors inside that explode at a preset altitude.

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The LBX cluster shells would be a giant versions of this (shotgun wad) ...



Sabots or slugs would be ...



I know how a shotgun works, I have a few of them myself. I was just giving an example of something that I think would work better for gameplay. By giving the shells proximity detonation you can ensure that even at maximum range the LBX shells will still be effective. Also it's not as though the guys who made the weapons for CBT had much of a clue how they worked in the first place.

And since I'm at it:
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Shotguns fire pellets no bigger than .22 caliber bullets and  don't have the Hollywood effect of knocking people 10 ft away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell#Buckshot
While they don't knock people away the only shot smaller than .22 is birdshot. I tend to use Buckshot which is a good deal larger. 3" 0000 Buck is like firing a whole 9mm pistol at someone, though with less muzzle velocity.

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Flechette "pellets" wouldn't work at all because they would basically fly out into space. Shotgun barrels (except those for slugs only) aren't rifled so the beads bounce and spin inside the barrel before exiting. Little Flechettes would lose all velocity and would come out spinning every which direction. That's why they use beads, but also why they aren't accurate..

However, there are flechette shotgun slugs which are just like the "silver bullets" used on Abram's tanks.

Actually they would work as long as they were packed in correctly. The cup that contains the shot prevents them from bouncing around and is made to release them after a certain distance which can be modified by the choke, but it mostly depends on the quality of the cups. Rifling would actually screw up the pattern of the shot for both the pellets and the flechettes. The flechettes are stabilized by the drag caused by their small fins not by spin.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2011, 12:24:25 AM »
Not to forget that one buckshot/flechette shot would ruin a rifled barrel.

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Re: żLBX 20?
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2011, 12:30:00 AM »
Not to forget that one buckshot/flechette shot would ruin a rifled barrel.

Nah, as I said the cup carries the shot/flechette through the whole barrel and would only release it once it left the barrel. The spin caused by the rifling would cause the shot to be flung out in a much wider, conical pattern than it normally would. Hence my theory that most video game shotguns are rifled which explains why they are useless beyond 5 feet.