Exploiting the exploits - Response

[Bruno_007]

Hey, as you may guess by the subject its Str1k3r. I just wanna say something about this thread, and hopefully clear that "bad image" I gave that the thread pictures. I'll start by telling how did it started:

Lets see... Here I was flying in a Sulla fbomb yesterday. Spotting an APC closer than the hangar, I tried to refill my ammo there. Yes! Didn't crashed. After doing that for like 15mins, while in the air I noticed I had that bug and told everyone: "...Guys, I have the buy bug...". They asked me what that was, and I told them. Didn't saw no one complaining (and my team was losing ), but I knew that wasn't too fair and I eventually crashed. Bought a LT and started firing it instead just to clear the bad aura around me and that Sulla.

Later after a few tries another Sulla destroyed my LT  (and I was starting to get bored, had to repair every 3mins because they were already aware of my LT) and I got info of an enemy LT. Time to get that Sulla fbomb back running! After bombing it I saw I still had the buy bug from before, and I told it (it was when I realised respawning wouldn't fix it). Okay, no negative answers, just some joke comments from my team about "You're HAXING!".

Sold the Sulla and bought a Shiva fbomb and barely had time to use it, when PhelanJKell called me about the bug, that I should get rid of it (the only way was to reconnect to the server), and I tried to tell him (my english there didn't helped to explain properly why I didn't felt the bug would matter with that Shiva) that now on a Shiva fbomb the bug wouldn't make much difference because it can pack 3 full payloads of ammo (and by the time I would ran out of ammo I probably would had to go to the hangar to do repairs), but he insisted, and yeah I said "Ok. I'm gonna reconnect." (he probably didn't read that one, but its in his gamelog and mine).

Here's the chat when it started: (the maybe its me thinking that the bug would matter more in the Sulla than the Shiva)

<04:27:27> CHAT$4 [WiE AG] PhelanJKell $1@ALL: how bout u leave game and come back in, instead of
<04:27:30> CHAT$4 [WiE AG] PhelanJKell $1@ALL: exploiting it?
<04:27:52> CHAT$5 =C2A.= Str1k3r.= $1@ALL: yeah maybe
<04:27:58> CHAT$4 [WiE AG] PhelanJKell $1@ALL: ya... just maybe
<04:28:14> CHAT$5 =C2A.= Str1k3r.= $1@ALL: lol, nah a while ago I was in a sulla bomber
<04:28:37> CHAT$5 =C2A.= Str1k3r.= $1@ALL: the bug was helping yeah... but now it isn't much needed because I'm in a shiva
<04:28:38> CHAT$4 [WiE AG] PhelanJKell $1@ALL: so u just gonna keep using the exploit? gotcha
<04:28:52> CHAT$4 [WiE AG] PhelanJKell $1@ALL: so?
<04:28:55> CHAT$5 =C2A.= Str1k3r.= $1@ALL: which can pack more fbombs lol
<04:29:04> CHAT$5 [WiE AG]Nickhastapee $1@ALL: its still an exploit
<04:29:11> CHAT$5 =C2A.= Str1k3r.= $1@ALL: won't have to buy them all the time in the air
<04:29:25> CHAT$5 =C2A.= Str1k3r.= $1@ALL: okay okay reconnecting...

So I arrive in the server again and didn't had money for another Shiva fbomb. Bought the Sulla fbomb again. In the second trip to buy ammo from the APC I bugged again, and said that again to everyone but the reconnect wasn't necessary because there was only 1min remaining to switch map.

*END*


Reading the scenario I wrote, and if PhelanJKel agrees that it was what happened in the game (honestly its what I perfectly recall), I think it doesn't depicts the "evil" image he made of me in his thread. Surely it wasn't right to take advantage of the bug at first, but I was using it in a lighter fun side (like the one where in a recent game my LT bugged and moved at 180+ K/H ), and typing I had it to provoke a negative reaction of the enemy team (so they could realize it was bad in an asset like the Sulla fbomb), reconnecting after. If I wanted to try to capitalize the max out of it I wouldn't had told I had the bug in that game, and then everyone wouldn't know about it. Sorry about that.

Hum now... Does the post helps to bring more love than war to me? Hope so. I didn't imagined my first post here would be like this.

Count of Sorry's: 1 ;p

[~SJ~MausGMR]

Hum now... Does the post helps to bring more love than war to me? Hope so. I didn't imagined my first post here would be like this.

A couple of 'Sorry's' in there and I'm sure you'll be well on your way =P

[~SJ~MausGMR]

doh double post fail

[Come and See]

Off topic, where does Crysis save chat logs?

[Bruno_007]

*:\Programs\Electronic Arts\Crytek\Crysis Wars\LogBackups

The previous logs are keeped there. The last log it creates its called Game.log instead, and its in the previous directory, Crysis Wars.

~SJ~MausGMR, hehe yep lets see. I wasn't doing that with a bad intention.

[[CW]Aresye]

So you used an exploit in-game, reconnected after admitting to it, and then continued to attempt the exploit after reconnecting?  I think Phelan was more than justified to call you out on it as a big deal.  You were basically given a second chance to behave, and you didn't.  If you did that in our server, I would have pushed for a ban at that point.

There are various pros and cons regarding the Shiva vs Sulla FBomber.  The Shiva sure, can pack much more ammo, but the Sulla is faster and more maneuverable, and therefore harder to shoot down.  For that reason, having a closer reload point for the Sulla tips the balance in favor of the Sulla, and if the reload point was close enough to eliminate the fly back reload time to be as fast as the Shiva reload time, then you've now exploited an asset that's more maneuverable than the Shiva, to have an equal or greater capacity to it.

I've always pushed that the majority of ASF players who seem overpowered are usually the best ASF pilots.  When a pilot starts using an exploit, it makes it much harder to defend our position.

So in essence, you're admitting to being the kind of pilot that give the rest of us (who don't exploit) a bad name.  Phelan was absolutely justified in his reaction towards you, and if you were to exploit in our server, I guarantee that you will either be kicked or banned.

[Bruno_007]

I think you didn't got the reconnect part right, and didn't followed my post completely, or I didn't made myself clear. I wasn't kicked or anything to have to reconnect. I reconnected myself to get rid of the bug. Then I bugged a second time, but the game was practically over. I told I was bugged as a warning to the other team, explained what it was, etc. Admitting it was of course the right thing to do, instead of using it to my benefict the hole time without telling anyone (of course reconnecting right away would had solve it, but that way I would lose some precious time to dedicate to the game, was already late , and really wouldn't helped the others know about it, that could happen). I never hided it, or refused to stop using it. That's why I reconnected...

Now you can't call "attempting the exploit" buying bombs from an APC... That's like prohibiting every asset from buying there, because they'll risk getting bugged. Dunno why it happened twice to me, but I got the feeling that it happened because I was buying really in the zone limit the APC gives the Buy symbol to appear. Can't confirm that because I don't buy often from an APC.

Yep the Sulla fbomb was really powerfull with that bug, I was the one to say that myself. That's why I stopped using it. But really it wasn't a walk in the park, I had dedicated Sullas after me.

[[CW]Aresye]

I was talking about buying from an APC, not the buy bug that was a result.  Your post says you chose to buy from an APC, in an ASF, both before, and after reconnecting.  This is a KNOWN exploit.

Think about it.  Mechs, tanks, and BA can rearm at an APC, because they have 1 thing in common.  Ground.  I personally don't like the overall lackadaisical attitude you have about this issue, which is why Phelan made a post about it.

Now you can't call "attempting the exploit" buying bombs from an APC... That's like prohibiting every asset from buying there, because they'll risk getting bugged.

The logic behind that argument absolutely perplexes me.  I mean, really?

[dsi1]

This is funny because if you didn't say a thing no one would have noticed and no one could have given a shit.

I've gotten the 're-arm everywhere' bug as a mech before btw, it certainly isn't aero only. Rearming in an ASF off an APC is a bit cheesy though.

[Bruno_007]

Sorry I wasn't sharing your point, I wasn't considering it realistically. I thought buying ammo from it with an aero was already something intended, because several good pilots do it that way and I never saw nothing wrong about it, more like a question of skill, if you can do it or not.

Lackadaisical attitude, that's because I'm taking things on the lighter side. I think I don't need to express a more serious approach about my posts because of the nature of what happened, we were purely enjoying a game and I don't wanna show like I'm taking his words too seriously, I wanna solve this dispute the coolest way, no hard feelings. I was having fun, that happened, and I did what seemed fit and reasonable taking account the other players. I think I'm capable of having the bug but still continue to play without using it, for the sake of the others. The moment Phelan told me to get rid of the bug I was in a Shiva, and that asset is known for its good "cargo hold", so the bug wouldn't affect it, but still I didn't mind reconnecting.

The importance that bug had in the game was minimized by my good sense, excluding two or three circunstances the moment I found out.


dsi1, but it was the first time I was experiencing the effects of that bug. I think its normal to question it to the others, to know if they might have had the same. I think the hate came because by saying I had that bug, that meant I could use it at anytime, and that could put an enemy of mine in a situation of distrust.

[[CW]Aresye]

Well, if you honestly did not realize the ASF rearming at an APC thing was a bug, then I can understand your viewpoint.

Please take in mind most people know about a lot of the exploits, but choose not to do them.  Your post came across as a person who was just casually exploiting a feature of the game, and then trying to seek redemption for not choosing to use an even bigger exploit.  That's why I was a bit hostile in my response.

[Virt]

It took balls for Bruno to admit in game he had a bug, and also to post a thread here explaining it.    So respect +1 for that.

Bruno, it was still wrong for you to use the exploit.  But I'm sure you won't do it again.

Happy flying.

[Askis]

I've looked through the Known Issues board and didn't see anything about ASF rearming at APCs being a bug.
So... Source pls?

EDIT:
This maybe?
Took a little to find this, wouldn't be surprised if most players didn't know it wasn't intended and it hasn't been patched out yet so it's obviously not considered a game breaking bug.

[Bruno_007]

Eh yeah no problem Aresye. I almost found it rewarding managing to reload in an APC with an aero, so awesome, and thought it was perfectly ok.

I'll take some time to see that as an exploit, but I'll get used to it like legging, which seems to have proportions near to an exploit. No one likes.

[LordHack]

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