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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2011, 10:37:49 PM »
You really should have as a minimum a graphics card that has at least 2GB of GDDR5 VRAM.

That's 100% rubbish. A decent 1GB card can run the mod smooth as can be.

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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2011, 10:41:31 PM »
That would depend on the video screen resolution you are running. If you are running multiple screens at high resolution, then it is widely known that more powerful GPU adapters scale up better to these larger resolutions.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2011, 03:24:43 PM »
That would depend on the video screen resolution you are running. If you are running multiple screens at high resolution, then it is widely known that more powerful GPU adapters scale up better to these larger resolutions.

1920x1200 (or 1920x1080) will run on 1gb Vram perfectly fine. Unless the card is old, the GPU and ram in the PC will cope with the very slight lack of Vram the graphic card has.

For instance, DOW2 on my GTX 260, which is old, has 720mb or so Vram, can run DOW2 on max settings with 4xaa and 8xaf, perfectly fine. In fact it runs smoother than my GTX 580 which has a bit of a stutter sometimes.

Is the FPS god like? No. But you don't need tons of Vram for single screen if the the rest of the PC can cope.

Now it is true if all the people with 1gb GC could add on another 200mb of Vram they would see an increase in FPS, mainly on their minimum FPS....But it will be a small change.

On triplescreen, it starts to heavily matter, since the entire PC, and the GC are going full wack struggling to display everything on the monitors, and lacking Vram will not be able to be counterbalanced by the rest of the PC.

So to summerise, Ratbuddy is correct.



For the perfect experiance, you want, a GTX 460 1gb or better. Or an ATI card as good or better. 4-6gb ram, windows 7 x64, an i7 first or 2nd gen clocked at 3.2ghz or faster (Or AMD with the same clock to clock speeds). Oh and to run the game in DX10, x64 with basic cfg settings to improve performance.

Thats not to say a system with worse specs wouldn't be able to run the mod, but don't expect to run the game on good settings.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2011, 06:10:29 PM »
OK the word is spelled summarize not summerise. If you are trying to sound knowledgeable, you really should check your spelling.

Now let me just say to any reading this post, there are many factors in the software PC configuration that will determine how well you perceive MWLL performing. But there is one aspect of your PC configuration that never changes and that is the hardware. If your hardware is not adequate to the processing task load presented by the MWLL game, then any amount of CCC levels or tweaks to the game settings will only improve your subjective evaluation of how well the game plays by so much. And this perception by you as the user is a very personal and subjective one. There is no right or wrong or correct or incorrect. You may be the type of person who is completely happy with a PC system that at most gets 15 FPS and less while running MWLL. Then again you may be a game enthusiast who really enjoys building a PC that is state of the art to squeeze out every last FPS possible.

Let me share with you my experience as a gamer who tends to be an early adopter of technology. You can see my most recent hardware and major software configuration in my signature. My previous video card was an ATI/AMD HD5970. You can review the specs on this card here -> http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=219 After trying many in game settings, I arrived at a GPU configuration that I thought was close to optimal. Yet even with this configuration, I would encounter significant drops in FPS when there were many MWLL vehicles in close proximity engaged in battle and causing many particle effects to be rendered by my system. So, to try and remedy this I could make further in-game graphical adjustments to ease the processing load of my gpu or just realize this decrease in FPS was just transient in nature and my FPS would rise back again when this series of game events abated.

I recently procured a new PowerColor HD6990 gpu. As of this writing, this card is the fastest dual gpu on one card in the world. You can review the specs here -> http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=350 I am happy to report this card, stock from the factory, completely removes any FPS slow down I previously experienced in the MWLL game. So far, this card can easily process anything thrown at it from the MWLL mod.

So let me summarize, when I recommend a minimum graphics specification of 2GB this does not mean that other gpu versions cannot run the MWLL mod. Others may be perfectly satisfied with their current gpu card and are willing to overlook short drops in performance as long as they can still play the game to their satisfaction. I also realize everyone has their personal budgetary limitations and are only willing to spend so much on their PC gaming hobby.

So it is NOT if someone is correct or incorrect, it is simply the perception of the individual of how well the game plays and the amount of resources spent by that individual in the configuration of their gaming system.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2011, 06:28:14 PM »
OK the word is spelled summarize not summerise. If you are trying to sound knowledgeable, you really should check your spelling.

Now let me just say to any reading this post, there are many factors in the software PC configuration that will determine how well you perceive MWLL performing. But there is one aspect of your PC configuration that never changes and that is the hardware. If your hardware is not adequate to the processing task load presented by the MWLL game, then any amount of CCC levels or tweaks to the game settings will only improve your subjective evaluation of how well the game plays by so much. And this perception by you as the user is a very personal and subjective one. There is no right or wrong or correct or incorrect. You may be the type of person who is completely happy with a PC system that at most gets 15 FPS and less while running MWLL. Then again you may be a game enthusiast who really enjoys building a PC that is state of the art to squeeze out every last FPS possible.

Let me share with you my experience as a gamer who tends to be an early adopter of technology. You can see my most recent hardware and major software configuration in my signature. My previous video card was an ATI/AMD HD5970. You can review the specs on this card here -> http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=219 After trying many in game settings, I arrived at a GPU configuration that I thought was close to optimal. Yet even with this configuration, I would encounter significant drops in FPS when there were many MWLL vehicles in close proximity engaged in battle and causing many particle effects to be rendered by my system. So, to try and remedy this I could make further in-game graphical adjustments to ease the processing load of my gpu or just realize this decrease in FPS was just transient in nature and my FPS would rise back again when this series of game events abated.

I recently procured a new PowerColor HD6990 gpu. As of this writing, this card is the fastest dual gpu on one card in the world. You can review the specs here -> http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=350 I am happy to report this card, stock from the factory, completely removes any FPS slow down I previously experienced in the MWLL game. So far, this card can easily process anything thrown at it from the MWLL mod.

So let me summarize, when I recommend a minimum graphics specification of 2GB this does not mean that other gpu versions cannot run the MWLL mod. Others may be perfectly satisfied with their current gpu card and are willing to overlook short drops in performance as long as they can still play the game to their satisfaction. I also realize everyone has their personal budgetary limitations and are only willing to spend so much on there PC gaming hobby.

So it is NOT if someone is correct or incorrect, it is simply the perception of the individual of how well the game plays and the amount of resources spent by that individual in the configuration of their gaming system.

Er the slowdowns wasn't down to Vram, but down to poor driver support and or, the card itself not being that awsome. I know since I have had the pleasure of owning a 5970 which my friend now has. 5970 has loads of problems, basing your entire experiance on that one card is not a good idea! That's not to say when it runs well it's not a good card, cause it really is a fantastic card when it works!

There are plenty of people who run the game smooth at 1gb of vram, hell the most recommended card to play this game smoothly is GTX 460 1gb. I'll even stick in my GTX 260 back in my PC just to benchmark MWLL to prove to you what happens when you have a 4.8ghz Sandy CPU, 8gb of ram can do to even a old card such as the GTX 260 while playing MWLL ;) I'll bet my hair, and kidneys it will run butterly smooth, even on high settings (not ultra though ;)).

The point is you need to have an average PC to play MWLL and the most important part, a balanced computer. While it is possible to upgrade just one part of your PC and still get good performance, the new hardware will never actually be used properly since everything else is holding it back.

Generally the people who are getting poor peformance in MWLL, are people with old systems that just need to upgrade, they don't need to do any expencive upgrades, but they do need to upgrade.

It is sometimes a bit depressing that MWLL is SOOO demanding that it makes Crysis look like a normal game. Sometimes I do also think maybe MWLL devs should think a bit more about optomizing the game, but until I cannot run it, meh I'll live with it ;)
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2011, 06:50:04 PM »
I have crashes too, something like one or two every hour. Before every crash, the game freezes 1/2 seconds.
I read in the Wiki that AVG anti-virus (I have it) could cause crashes, does this remain valid today?
Same question for SoundBlaster sound cards (I have an SB Audigy 2zs).
Note that I had no problem with versions <0.5.0 and that most of the crashes occur in the map Marshes.

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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2011, 06:52:33 PM »
AVG causes issues? oh... how bad of issues?
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2011, 07:32:15 PM »
AVG seems to be problematic, try deactivating it or putting the Crysis or MWLL folder on the exclusion list.
Creative cards shouldn't be particularly problematic.
Some people seem to be crashing more regularly on Marshes though for some reason that we haven't completely figured out yet.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2011, 05:03:16 AM »
AVG causes issues? oh... how bad of issues?

People still run anti-virus software?

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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2011, 11:04:40 AM »
AVG causes issues? oh... how bad of issues?

People still run anti-virus software?

My netbook didnt for three years. Then one day a couple of months ago it died. Virus....lucky my pc always has one just in case, can't say its a smart idea to not have one.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2011, 11:50:14 AM »
AVG causes issues? oh... how bad of issues?

People still run anti-virus software?

My netbook didnt for three years. Then one day a couple of months ago it died. Virus....lucky my pc always has one just in case, can't say its a smart idea to not have one.

I was half joking. I would run it if I was still on XP, or 32 bit Vista/Windows 7. Or used my gaming PC to browse porn (I have a laptop for that...).

But the thing is, I use my gaming PC exclusively for gaming, and running Windows 7 x64 means that DEP and properly configured UAC and limited user accounts save me from 99% of the malware out there.

Been running it since Windows 7 was released (what... 2 or 3 years now?) and not a single virus, confirmed by scans of the hdd using virus scanners running on other PCs (so no rootkits can hide from it).

Doing it that way isn't for everyone, definitely, but I really like not having to worry about the bullshit that AV programs cause (because most of the AV software out there is absolutely terribly coded and just as poorly optimized).

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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2011, 04:26:58 PM »
AVG causes issues? oh... how bad of issues?

People still run anti-virus software?

My netbook didnt for three years. Then one day a couple of months ago it died. Virus....lucky my pc always has one just in case, can't say its a smart idea to not have one.

I was half joking. I would run it if I was still on XP, or 32 bit Vista/Windows 7. Or used my gaming PC to browse porn (I have a laptop for that...).

But the thing is, I use my gaming PC exclusively for gaming, and running Windows 7 x64 means that DEP and properly configured UAC and limited user accounts save me from 99% of the malware out there.

Been running it since Windows 7 was released (what... 2 or 3 years now?) and not a single virus, confirmed by scans of the hdd using virus scanners running on other PCs (so no rootkits can hide from it).

Doing it that way isn't for everyone, definitely, but I really like not having to worry about the bullshit that AV programs cause (because most of the AV software out there is absolutely terribly coded and just as poorly optimized).

I did it that way for two years, then decided bugger it my pc can cope with antivirus software running in the background just made sure i picked a free good one...avg i stayed far away from lol.

I agree that i hate antivirus programs and how they run but i hate viruses more. As good as all the windows protection is, its just not good enough.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2011, 08:17:00 PM »
ive only got the AVG caus pops had a spare subscription for their paid service. there are days i really want to get rid of it...
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2011, 10:23:34 PM »
I can recommend Avira, works fine at work and at home for me.
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Re: 5.1 crashing
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2011, 01:39:53 AM »
I can recommend Avira, works fine at work and at home for me.

I think that's what im using at the moment. Works fine for me too.
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