NBT Server Ownage

[Aidan]

Vote and explain why you voted the way you did.

[Taemien]

I'm not quite fully understanding the question here.

[~SJ~ Xarg Talasko]

Hell no, theres already a ton of unused servers around, why should people pay for another one?

[-SM-SUCKER]

I don't give a damn. That is why I voted: I am not giving a damn dime!

[Bill]

There's not an option for the NBT Admin's should pull the stick out their arses, so I had to go with no.

Gotta echo Xarg's sentiments here.

[nordwars]

No, there are a lot of servers available and the NBT admins need to be asked uniambiguously whether using server time donated by units is acceptable.

This solves the license and hardware cost issues in one.

[Hartsblade}12th VR{]

Not giving a dime...why pay for something we have an abundance of...

[~SJ~ Lobo]

You know how I read your "reasons for no MWLL NBT" nonsense in the other thread?

"NBT Admins do not like this mod and will not support it, at all ever. So here is a list of bullshit "reasons" why the won't do it. Oh and I'm an idiot for setting expectations with this community that i could not live up to and speaking for people I should not have been speaking for. "

As for this poll. NBT admins can go fapp themselves.

[Aidan]

I'm not quite fully understanding the question here.

Tamien,

Historically, NBT has always raised funds from the league members and then went out into the market place and bought a physical server and then hosted it at a data center. They do not rent servers. They will not, as of this writing, allow other league members to donate their clan servers, whether they are rented or owned, for use in the NBT MWLL league.

Is that more clear to you?

My question is: Do you think this is right that NBT takes this position on NBT MWLL league servers.

[Aidan]

the NBT admins need to be asked uniambiguously whether using server time donated by units is acceptable.

Nordwars,

I have asked this very question to the NBT admins directly. The answer is ... we will not accept clan based servers.

As of this writing, that is the NBT league policy on servers for use with the NBT Planetary league.

[Wolfcat9]

Don't care....... cause I just don't.  The NBT people can do whatever they want. I wouldn't play in their system anyways.  I play this game to "blow stuff up real good!"   

 I have no previous history or knowledge of the NBT people but from what I read between the lines in posts on this forum, one of the main reasons MWLL came about was due to the tyrannical rule of the NBT admins.

[Serious Table]

You know, it doesn't sound like they're as opposed to it as Aidan makes it sound.  I asked them the same question, and got a response from Mitchpate.

On that last bit I guess it's a question of whether or not NBT wants to get into the business of using rented servers. It's something we've never had to do before and while I can't see us being stuck up enough to refuse to do it if the need truely exists it's just a tough piece of meat to chew. From the start NBT's prided itself on having a truely neutral and in-house hosted server environment and before we give that up we'll have to see how neutral we can make a unit-donated server be.

I, myself, offered to host a crysis server for the league on a box I have in a datacenter and was turned down for the same reason so please don't take offense to this stance.

Also from Xavier, a clarification as to WHY they do this:

It's not a matter of "being on staff". The servers are still owned and operated by units, presumably active in the league, and that's the problem.

In order to to avoid entirely any speculation, accusation or even implication of tampering, surveillance or otherwise access to a game server by a unit active in the league, any servers need to be under the exclusive control of NBT. That's why NBT has either owned their own game server(s) in the past, or been granted exclusive access and control of them (when HomeLAN provided the server space, for example). And even when HomeLAN needed them back temporarily, it was still a non-interested neutral third-party that owned and managed the server.

It's unlikely any unit who is paying for co-lo space is willing essentially to donate the hardware and bandwidth to the sole use of NBT.

Maybe with some time we can whittle them down to permit Units not involved in a particular conflict to host a server?

[Aidan]

They may move from their position. This was my response to NBT's approach to install a licensed Crysis Wars dedicated server on their California VM box for testing.

"We will see what testing reveals to a geographically spread out, representative player base. In the event the server performance is not satisfactory, what would be the NBT approach to solving this issue?"

[Taemien]

the NBT admins need to be asked uniambiguously whether using server time donated by units is acceptable.

Nordwars,

I have asked this very question to the NBT admins directly. The answer is ... we will not accept clan based servers.

As of this writing, that is the NBT league policy on servers for use with the NBT Planetary league.

Thanks for clarifying that. I like the idea that the server itself (as in the hardware itself) its owned and operated by the league. But with the abundance of servers available we don't need another.

This community is close knit enough that league games can be played on unit servers without a hitch. I don't understand the reasoning behind NBT wanting to own and operate the servers the games play in. I've played in several planetary leagues in MW4 where the servers were hosted on the same network and computers the players were playing on. Wasn't any lag issues then.

I think its safe to say that the playerbase here is not going to donate money for this. So NBT will have to change their stance on this.

[Aidan]

Here is another excerpt from the discussion on NBT about their servers. For those who do not know him, Sarge is the current lead Admin for the upcoming Mektek MP3.1 game based on the Mechwarrior 4 game.

------First Excerpt Posted by Aidan

The same approach that was stated in one of the many threads yesterday.  This is a US based gaming league.  As has been stated to you many times, NBT will not change it's core operations for one game.

So let me make sure I understand what you mean Sarge. Will NBT have and maintain servers in North America, UK, Europe, and Russia for use with the proposed NBT MWLL Planetary league? A simple yes or no will due.

If your answer is no, in the case of a thriving NBT MWLL league lets say 200 players, will the NBT league establish servers in the UK or Europe as well as North America? Once again a simple yes or no will suffice.

If your answer is yes to my first question, how will NBT fund the additional servers?

This, of course, is based on the assumption that the NBT California, USA VM computer will not serve the entire geographical spread of the MWLL community.

-----------End Excerpt

----------Excerpt from Sarge, his answer to the excerpt above

No. We will not serve the world. Only the portion of the community that wants to play In NBT. We are not here to make everybody haply, but all who want to play with us are welcome.

End Excerpt

So that is a very clear statement on the NBT server policy. I am posting this stuff for those in the MWLL community who never read the NBT forums and who may be considering playing in the NBT MWLL Planetary league, if it ever gets started.