Owens C vs Owens B

[CGB [Slash]]

Evening Gents,

So I've really come to liking the Owens C as a game starter and money maker.  I can usually deal with most things ,but I'm having trouble with the Owens B.  Any advice for me on taking them down?

-Slash

[Bruno_007]

An Owens C can fight off an Owens B easilly if you sidestep him, like running in circles around it. Most SSRM's won't hit you. The same applies with any mech with SSRM's. Even a SCat can manage to avoid them, but there a variant with MASC helps even more.

[CGB [Slash]]

humm.. that normally what I do.  seems to be when things go wrong once im in the circle of death.  I'm considering doing hit and runs in a straight line using MASC.

[Xesle]

Any advice for me on taking them down?

Leg them.

[=KoS= Saber15]

Any advice for me on taking them down?

Leg them.

This.

[AlfalphaCat]

That's because the B is the better 'Mech!!

But seriously, legging it is not really necessary if you core it through a side torso, or just go for the CT.  You have the firepower advantage, but are in basically the same 'Mech agility-wise.  Also your weapons have better range, so if they don't get the drop on you, you should have them fairly beat up by the time they start laying into you.

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

if you're starting right at the beginning of the game the C is better.  I actually like B better when meds and higher start rolling out and i'm late.  The SSRM do more damage i think because they fire faster and are great for hit and runs where the cockpit shake really helps your survival.

[Terragent]

That's true, but I find the MRM Raven fits that role better. More firepower and no need to wait for a lock...

[DrKillinger]

That's true, but I find the MRM Raven fits that role better. More firepower and no need to wait for a lock...

I've been loving the Raven E lately as a starter mech. If you make the MRM's count, it's great.

[Condenser]

I don't like to pilot OwB, but oh how I hate them shooting at me :mad:

[(TLL) Heretic]

That's true, but I find the MRM Raven fits that role better. More firepower and no need to wait for a lock...

I use the XPulse MRM Raven all the time and it's a real contender for best starter light 'mech.  0.2-0.3.2 I used the Owens C & B (that was back when no-one knew about the laser Owens as it was 1 rank up from start, and back when the HGauss Hollander  legged an Owens with one-shot...fun memories  ).

An example of how much return on your cash the Raven is capable of?  Last night joined a TC_Thunderrift game with 50mins on the clock (guess it had been going some 20mins already).  Entire enemy team (11 peeps) were in 55ton and up machines (Bushys, Thors, Mauler, MadCats etc) they were led by Maus, who was already Khan rank, our team had Invictus terrorising folks in a Thor and he was Col or Gen at the time I joined; after 8minutes of Xpulsing & MRMs  in support of team-mates(2 rtbs) I had over 200K from; 2 kill bonuses, 2 base captures, a lot of assist damage (maybe 15 engaged targets.. the Mauler fed me massive points due to the tonnage difference  ) and the C3 feed earnings.

Normally I would have stayed in that Raven until I earned around 80K (or ~95K if badly damaged) and then grabbed a Mauler or MkII, but I was interested in seeing how much money&Rank the little bugger could make me in the right circumstances; after 200k I switched to MrBubbles as the enemy had dropped from their point lead to only 60 tickets left, and I wanted to blow stuff up before the end.  The Raven had got me to Captain rank on just over 8minutes of play, by contrast the Atlas, while it got me 3 more kills only got me one rank (although it did pay for itself as I had over 200k left when the enemy tickets ran out).

Now that's an extreme example, the circumstances to make money every second do not exist in most matches but I doubt an Owens would have made me more cash.  I've ran the MRM Raven on every map I can think of (SA, TSA and TC) and it's just a solid all round awesome scout....if only we had a PPC Raven with medium XPulse lasers....*dreams*


OT; the Owens B is good team support, let the heavies engage then swoop in with chain-fired SRMs to support your brawlers = lots of good team-work fun.
Owens C is a good light 'mech hunter, against anything heavier it's inviting a legging as unlike the other Owens it's perceived as more of a threat (they might ignore mediums and even some heavies to take you down due to past memories of being mugged in light 'mechs...that's karma for you ).
The ELRM Owens? Forget it, it's not better than the LRM Hawkmoth damage-wise, Late-game AMS will eat your ELRM10s up too much to be worthwhile..
The Owens Prime is much overlooked on the late battlefield.  LRM15s can survive a lot of AMS, the TAG is useful if your co-ordinating (or want to launch those LRMs then TAG them home like they are MRMs    The Prime can be a good earner as it's fast enough to stay 950-999m from the target and light enough that you get a good damage modifier bonus to cash & rank.  It's also fast enough to rtb for ammo when you need it without missing too much action.  The Prime doesn't have C3 so you miss out on earnings there, and if there is a lot of AMS around (Atlas lance for example) you're going to suffer.

With all that considered, I still think I'd choose the Raven.

EDIT: Lots of typos

[Waffnuffly]

The Raven E is easily my favorite starter mech. I've blown apart so many Ullers and Partisans with that thing, it's unreal. Plus C3 and GECM make it a really good scout, and the 360 degree torso twist is ideal for escaping and throwing off the circle of death.

The Owens B is the first mech I ever used when I first started playing the game at a LAN, though, so it has a special place in my heart. I hadn't really used it much since my first few weeks of play until the other night on Sandblasted, where I started with it and did TONS of hit-and-run attacks for the first 5-10 minutes of battle. It was great. I even helped take out an APC and a couple BAs and never stopped running.

In skilled hands, the B is really, really fun to use and pretty dangerous, though the C definitely has better firepower. However, the C is much more prone to overheating when alpha striking and MASCing all the time, whereas the B feels faster because you can hammer your MASC and keep shooting without having to worry as much about heat (SPLs and SSRMs are almost negligible compared to the lasers).

[Squibby]

The Raven E I find is better once the bigger fatter targets start showing up.

Shooting at MASCing Owens Cs early game can be an headache. Sometimes even direct hits will register little damage with the hit detection on lolfast moving targets being what it is.
Xpulses can do damage but again vs a small nimble Owens it's quite difficult to keep them on target consistently.

My goto as a starter mech, will one up the starting Ullers or other Ravens, but the Owens is just superior unless you've got a sizable gulf in pilot skill.

[Condenser]

Dual medXpulse do more dps than one largeX, but Raven is too easy to disarm, unfortunately, and MRMs are hardly a threat for fast lights. But that means more fun to fight with!

[Ressk [CSF]]

SSRM owens used to be my fav starter mech, and owens C's had zero trouble killing me off. now i run osiris primes or Uller primes in heavy support roles instead.