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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 06:46:02 PM »
Damnit EA. No! We must have a uniform and universal gaming platform! Why must you be so bad at common sense?!
When will full game/demo/beta be released?
         We're planning a beta release in the next *very* few weeks. At this time, we can't be more specific. Please stop asking.

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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 07:04:53 PM »
Damnit EA. No! We must have a uniform and universal gaming platform! Why must you be so bad at common sense?!
STEAM's monopoly isn't favorable for the customer as a variety of online distribution services is. More competition = more chances for sales, more games being offered on both services.

Origin is shit (it's pretty much like STEAM was in 2005), but more competition is always good.

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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 07:08:08 PM »

That's my second thought. My first is good service; Origin is not good service.
When will full game/demo/beta be released?
         We're planning a beta release in the next *very* few weeks. At this time, we can't be more specific. Please stop asking.

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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 07:34:16 PM »
How could you possibly have more sales than Steam already does?


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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 08:02:00 PM »
STEAM's monopoly isn't favorable for the customer as a variety of online distribution services is. More competition = more chances for sales, more games being offered on both services.

Origin is shit (it's pretty much like STEAM was in 2005), but more competition is always good.
This is so wrong it's almost funny.

Steam has never had a monopoly.  EA has had a download service since 2005 and has failed miserably 3 times.  There's nothing wrong with competition but there's something very wrong with trying to force your competitors out of business via exclusive releases.  If you make a good download service customers will happily use your service but forcing customers to your service because you can't make an equivalent service should be discouraged by the industry, not encouraged.

Watch.  Once EA signs a few big name developers their premium titles will become Origin exclusives.
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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 08:08:58 PM »
This is so wrong it's almost funny.

Steam has never had a monopoly.  EA has had a download service since 2005 and has failed miserably 3 times.  There's nothing wrong with competition but there's something very wrong with trying to force your competitors out of business via exclusive releases.  If you make a good download service customers will happily use your service but forcing customers to your service because you can't make an equivalent service should be discouraged by the industry, not encouraged.

Watch.  Once EA signs a few big name developers their premium titles will become Origin exclusives.

EA's EADM only offered EA titles, AFAIK.
What VALVe did with HL2 was the exact same thing EA pulled with Battlefield 3 - when HL2 came out, STEAM was well, a steaming pile of shit; it had horrendously slow speeds, was unstable, you had to be online to use it since Offline mode was so buggy, it could be a system hog, and just about everyone hated it.

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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 08:20:59 PM »
We had a Lawyer look at the EULA of Origin.
Turns out, about half of it is illegal in germany.
Also, it scans your ENTIRE COMPUTER.
Hardware, Software, Files.
AND they can just delete the license to ALL of the things in there, if there's something "amiss" with ONE of them . .

No, Origin is NOT like Steam.
Not even like Steam 2005 . .
Origin is WORSE than Steam EVER WAS . .
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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 08:28:32 PM »
Well, it does not scan the "entire computer", it scans the Program Files and ProgramData folder for instance and your registry, looking for games that you may have obtained illegally. But that's bad enough of course.

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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 09:15:54 PM »
EA's EADM only offered EA titles, AFAIK.
What VALVe did with HL2 was the exact same thing EA pulled with Battlefield 3 - when HL2 came out, STEAM was well, a steaming pile of shit; it had horrendously slow speeds, was unstable, you had to be online to use it since Offline mode was so buggy, it could be a system hog, and just about everyone hated it.
I, and most of the people I know, actually liked that version of Steam.  Steamfriends was buggy as hell but I never had trouble playing games offline and download speeds were great.


Well, it does not scan the "entire computer", it scans the Program Files and ProgramData folder for instance and your registry, looking for games that you may have obtained illegally. But that's bad enough of course.
Just scanning program files, programdata, and the registry is insufficient to find illegally obtained games.  If it scans at all you can bet it's the entire drive, otherwise someone could install pirated BF3 to c:\games\bf3 and Origin would never detect it.  Of course, scanning the registry means it doesn't really need to scan the rest of the drive as most pirated versions install registry entries as well.

@Stahlseele - most of their EULA would be illegal in the US if anyone could afford to sue them over it.  By signing the EULA you also agree never to sue EA and since you can't easily sue them if you haven't been wronged by them (IE aren't an origin user) they're pretty much invulnerable here.
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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2011, 09:19:13 PM »
Just scanning program files, programdata, and the registry is insufficient to find illegally obtained games.  If it scans at all you can bet it's the entire drive, otherwise someone could install pirated BF3 to c:\games\bf3 and Origin would never detect it.

It may be insufficient, but that is what Origin does.

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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2011, 09:23:24 PM »
Just scanning program files, programdata, and the registry is insufficient to find illegally obtained games.  If it scans at all you can bet it's the entire drive, otherwise someone could install pirated BF3 to c:\games\bf3 and Origin would never detect it.

It may be insufficient, but that is what Origin does.
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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2011, 09:29:28 PM »
EA's EADM only offered EA titles, AFAIK.
What VALVe did with HL2 was the exact same thing EA pulled with Battlefield 3 - when HL2 came out, STEAM was well, a steaming pile of shit; it had horrendously slow speeds, was unstable, you had to be online to use it since Offline mode was so buggy, it could be a system hog, and just about everyone hated it.
I, and most of the people I know, actually liked that version of Steam.  Steamfriends was buggy as hell but I never had trouble playing games offline and download speeds were great.


Well, it does not scan the "entire computer", it scans the Program Files and ProgramData folder for instance and your registry, looking for games that you may have obtained illegally. But that's bad enough of course.
Just scanning program files, programdata, and the registry is insufficient to find illegally obtained games.  If it scans at all you can bet it's the entire drive, otherwise someone could install pirated BF3 to c:\games\bf3 and Origin would never detect it.  Of course, scanning the registry means it doesn't really need to scan the rest of the drive as most pirated versions install registry entries as well.

@Stahlseele - most of their EULA would be illegal in the US if anyone could afford to sue them over it.  By signing the EULA you also agree never to sue EA and since you can't easily sue them if you haven't been wronged by them (IE aren't an origin user) they're pretty much invulnerable here.
That's the beauty of it.
The passus forbidding one from suing EA is also illegal over here.
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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2011, 11:26:23 PM »
Well, it does not scan the "entire computer", it scans the Program Files and ProgramData folder for instance and your registry, looking for games that you may have obtained illegally. But that's bad enough of course.

And it had been said that it may also monitor things like your in-game communication and personal information; although those two are technically collected separately, they are stored in a joint database and distributed to undefined third parties. That's, broadly speaking, the same what Facebook does, except that you have much less control about what you are giving away (well you have the choice of not participating, of course). I do not assume that they will do harm to their users. However, I feel kind of insulted by the fact that playing EA requires me to tolerate a (virtual) representative of EA lurking around in my backroom, watching me all the time. I am still used to the old-fashioned paradigm that my duties as a customer include paying the product, ant nothing else. Besides, the last time I bought stuff via a companie's own online-service, it took only weeks until the gamesites titled that their database had been hacked and all account details, including credit card, had been stolen.


But besides those rather abstract issues I have with such services:


Yeah, I am really looking forward to distribute all my posessions among a billion of different accounts all with own passwords, that may or may not stop support eventually and clutter my computer. If you excuse my sarcasm. I really envy consoles these days and tbh, I will be buying Mass Effect 3, but I am thinking about usind a pirated exe because Origins makes me want to vomit really hard.
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Re: Third Parties Sign On To EA's Origin Service
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2011, 11:34:13 PM »
Well, it does not scan the "entire computer", it scans the Program Files and ProgramData folder for instance and your registry, looking for games that you may have obtained illegally. But that's bad enough of course.

And it had been said that it may also monitor things like your in-game communication and personal information; although those two are technically collected separately, they are stored in a joint database and distributed to undefined third parties. That's, broadly speaking, the same what Facebook does, except that you have much less control about what you are giving away (well you have the choice of not participating, of course). I do not assume that they will do harm to their users. However, I feel kind of insulted by the fact that playing EA requires me to tolerate a (virtual) representative of EA lurking around in my backroom, watching me all the time. I am still used to the old-fashioned paradigm that my duties as a customer include paying the product, ant nothing else. Besides, the last time I bought stuff via a companie's own online-service, it took only weeks until the gamesites titled that their database had been hacked and all account details, including credit card, had been stolen.


But besides those rather abstract issues I have with such services:


Yeah, I am really looking forward to distribute all my posessions among a billion of different accounts all with own passwords, that may or may not stop support eventually and clutter my computer. If you excuse my sarcasm. I really envy consoles these days and tbh, I will be buying Mass Effect 3, but I am thinking about usind a pirated exe because Origin makes me want to vomit really hard.






@ Mitchpate: Stahlseele nailed it. If one clause of the EULA does not conform to law, it is not adjusted but it is, from a legal standpoint, not existing. Also, I think that the legal issues with the EULA do not only exist in Germany, but throughout the whole European Union.

At any rate, gamers have been lobbying against the EULA and in fact achieved that the EULA will be monitored by the authorities. EA has already made some concessions to the law in the meanwhile. Given the fact that the EULA is officially being monitored, a lawsuit may have chances of actual succes should problems present themselves. And that would in turn mean that a precedence case would created for online services that might end  unfavorably for Origin; I think and hope EA wants to avoid that.
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