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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 08:41:05 PM »
As I said before, they'd have to pay extraneous amounts of money to get the tables needed to crack the passwords. When you pay that much, you don't use it to steal information from a service like steam. This hack job looks like a "See what I did!" hack.

There's much juicier targets out there. Like Banks. Go after their information. Then you can do some damage and see a return on your investment before their security measures can take effect. Hitting steam will just raise a red flag across the board and get the anomaly detectors buzzing.

This causes a few people to lose a few days of WoW while they scramble to unlock their credit cards due to extra sensitive scans for about a week or so. Nothing more.

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I have a very low opinion of hackers (crackers, script kiddies, wtf ever,all the same to me). Just a bunch of anti-social, orange fingered, mouth breathers that cannot function in normal society. Otherwise they'd put their talents to use and actually work a real job. Security firms and the government are hiring people with such talents, but these dregs don't wish to get off their asses and fight against a real threat: China and North Korea.

The Israelies and Americans that developed StuxNet. Now they impress me. A precision guided logic bomb that tore the shit out of Iranian nuclear centrifuges.

Oh well, these Anonymous and other groups of mouth breathers will only help keep job security for me in the future.

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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2011, 08:59:09 PM »
As I said before, they'd have to pay extraneous amounts of money to get the tables needed to crack the passwords.
That's the thing though, there are no rainbow tables for sale that could do this.  They would need a 25-30 character table with full small/cap hashing as well as support for 5-10 digit characters and at least 5 special characters.  Such a table would be 20-30TB in size.  My paranoid side ::) fully believes such tables exist but only the American and Chinese governments would have access to them.

Fully agree with everything below the golf clap.  I'm working on a computer networking masters right now and can attest that there's a very large calling for security experts.  The industry seems to be cleaning house due in large part to the growing number of security threats seen over the last few years.  Most companies are tired of using people with "old school" thinking and want people who are fresh with indepth knowledge of bleeding-edge intrusion techniques and security flaws.  These hackers could easily be bringing in 6 digit salaries if they wanted, seems like an awful shame to waste such talents on "lookie what i did yesterday" childsplay.
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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 10:30:07 PM »
Oh those tables exist, but they get exponentially more expensive.. so yeah you're right mostly just governments have them. Though if such a table is compromised.. then we have a sour issue there. Still need quite a bit to store it though.

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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 04:48:28 AM »
I mean people are appalled when I tell them I have 6TB of hard drive space in my computer lol.  You'd need a 48 disk SAN to store that and by the time you bought one you'd have spent more than you'd ever get out of Steam CC numbers :o

Not to mention that even with a table it would take an inconveniently long time to search for a hash.
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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2011, 04:55:55 AM »
I mean people are appalled when I tell them I have 6TB of hard drive space in my computer lol.  You'd need a 48 disk SAN to store that and by the time you bought one you'd have spent more than you'd ever get out of Steam CC numbers :o

Not to mention that even with a table it would take an inconveniently long time to search for a hash.

Yus.

Though that won't be the case in a few years. Every year, 2bits of encryption gets easier to crack, so encryption strength needs to be upgraded every 5 years or so to stay ahead.

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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2011, 05:11:26 AM »
Salted SHA-1 amd MD5 variants are the defacto standards in password security right now and those are over 15 years old.  Fortunately, TLS, SSH, SSL, and IPsec are using the much newer SHA-2.

The SHA-3 standard is scheduled to the published in late 2012.  Hopefully we'll see web applications move up to either it or SHA-2 because you're right, it is about time we get some upgrades.
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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2011, 10:27:00 PM »
Maybe this sytem could handle it ...

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Cray-Supercomputer-Will-Include-AMD-Interlagos-Chips-Nvidia-GPUs-858203/

Possibly.

188 Million for a possible crack worth a couple grand at the most.
Great return in investment.  ;D

I love the encryption the military uses. Its done at transmission, so you don't even see packets, just noise and static, like if you tried to receive the RF coming from the sun. It would bankrupt a country to decrypt a message that said, "Hey man... those Panthers lost again." Not even kidding either lol. Most of the chatter going over secure channels is junk. Give a soldier a chat interface over the orderwire and its worse than textspeak.

And it would take a very long time. By the time the Chinese could decrypt one of our messages about week 2 in the NFL, It'd be long after the superbowl. And it would have cost them billions in super computer time. The suckers  ;D

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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2011, 01:21:35 AM »
The problem with supercomputers is that they're rarely capable of running normal programs.
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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2011, 03:10:20 AM »
The problem with supercomputers is that they're rarely capable of running normal programs.

They are purpose built. If you are playing minesweeper on a supercomputer you're doing it wrong  ;D

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Re: Steam Has Lost Some Steam !
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2011, 05:58:39 AM »
True enough.  I like how GPU computing is slowly drifting towards standardized C++ which makes it about 100000x easier to write applications for supercomputers.
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