Seriously, wtf is wrong with some of you.

[1N4001]

Wait, so Clan Precision ER Thunderbolts got a damage boost? What could possibly go wrong؟

[=CJW= Dhalrin]

Mekabuser, interesting that you noticed that, too.
I was actually thinking about making up a thread about the exact same issue. Like Mekabuser, I noticed, that it seems to become more common for vets to bunch together right from the start and proceed to beat the living crap out of the other team, occasionally despite my please to even stuff out.

I'm playing for quite some time now and feel, that I can tell pretty well how a game will go, by looking at the names on the scoreboard at game start. So I'd suppose the other vets recognize it, too, when a game is prone to turn in to a stomp.

Don't want to call out names here, but yes, there seems to be a pattern with some guys, and yes, a few names on the list posted by Mek seem to ring a bell, but I didn't make up statistics...

Then there are other guys of course, who will switch in a blink, once they see games unbalanced, even before the first yell of "EVEN TEAMS, PLEASE!" comes through the chat. Spooky is one that I remember off hand, but there are others. I guess you know, who you are.

So it's not all bad, but yeah, it sucks more than it used to.

[-SM-SUCKER]

I did not notice this trend...
And if teams are even I do prefer to stick with familiar names for increased teamwork.
And yet the amount of roflstomps is very very low. Usually caused by clients leaving/dropping and noone noticing it in time. (I do not check the scoreboard every minute and make screenshots for epen growth

Interesting you say only "noobs" use the Clan Arrow MK2, as noobs would probably never get enough money to afford such an expensive asset.
My advice if you are having problems with "noobtubes": Leg the narcer, brawl the one fielding those arrows.

[=CJW= Dhalrin]

By the way, I'd dare say that the recent release of two of the most high profile shooters in the history of video games has probably more to do with the drop in players, than unbalanced teams...

[xInVicTuSx]

Interesting you say only "noobs" use the Clan Arrow MK2, as noobs would probably never get enough money to afford such an expensive asset.
My advice if you are having problems with "noobtubes": Leg the narcer, brawl the one fielding those arrows.

Not commenting on how they got them, but its quaking like it and walking like it.

[Mekabuser=12thVR=]

just for the record, the first 5 players didnt have ONE death amongst themselves. NOt one... Not one,, oh .. lets throw these poor fools ONE bone..
ANd you have the NERVE to speak of a challenge?? GO join the Loosing fapping team if you want a challenge!!!!.
utter stupidity.

[Come and See]

How about some evidence -- like a screenshot or something. Until then it's just hearsay to me.

I had this crap happen to me a while ago where somebody said I was doing all kinds of crap on a server that I wasn't and they didn't provide a shred of evidence and I got banned for a week until it was reversed the next day when I proved what they accused me of was a bunch of bs.

[xDeityx]

Why not blame all the noobs for stacking together?  Why is the onus on the good players to switch teams?  Why doesn't a shitty player have the same expectation to join the winning team as a good player does to join the losing team, assuming the numbers allow it?

Sorry, but this is nothing more than a witch hunt by someone who is raging because they lost and are looking for scapegoats.  The truth is that without built-in mechanics to assist in the balancing of teams (a matchmaker like Microsoft's True Skill or an Elo system used by games like LoL) players will never balance the teams themselves to everyone's satisfaction.  Threads like these are ignorant as fuck.  Maybe if we were playing a game like BF3 and we had to worry about consequences attached to a win/loss (in the form of experience points for unlocks), this thread might by slightly relevant, but since there is absolutely no reward or penalty for winning or losing all I see is nerd rage.

Also, the search function is your friend.  This is not a new topic, and posting this thread will change nothing except an elevation of the nerdrama here.

[=KoS= Eldragon]

The Mechanics of MWLL make a roflstomp more likely than other games. Things get one sided really quick when one team has Madcats and the other has Hollanders.

Its not a requirement for the veteran players to bust up a teamstack, its just a courtesy.  The onus is on the losing team to swallow their pride and ask for help if its that much of an issue. It's when the stacked team refuses is when its a problem.

Otherwise the losing team starts to bleed players and the server population dies, so its in the best interest of all to keep the teams fair.

[Mekabuser=12thVR=]

yeah there are other threads bec this has been a prob since day one.ignorant? when this behavior has contributed to the erosion of the payerbase its a serious problem.Are u also honestly sayin that at the outset of the game the dominant team didnt KNOW they had theDOMINANT team?really now.how is it that i knew?m i some kind of genius?btw. i didnt loose .i crashed four times n a row for smr reason and decided to make this thread instead bec the one populated server had degenerated intoa shit show. btw the numbers are accurate. straight from the server browser page.its lmao funny to suggest the noobs shuld know better.when the game starts if ur team is stacked u SWITCH before u spawn. but no. some of u just have to be on the winning side.right?thats the only explanation.to suggest otherwise is just ignorant. do u think maus upon entering a game would join the team with necro.xesle.hitman.invictus. etc. while the other team only has no names with no kills or score?dnt think so.  p.s. the game really does need a script to kick in when its a stomp after x ammont of time so that the game ends and discourages this from happening n the first place. i know there are comebacks but when the ratio is six.seven to one after ten then twenty minutes that should b it. those numbers are generaly unsurmountable

[Urishima }12thVR{]

Meka, while you do have a point here, I recommend that you take a chill pill and maybe go take a walk before you ragepost again. Your Posts are getting hard to read and we don't need another flamewar.

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

I'm very "eh" on the whole subject of "vet" stacking.  It's a completely valid way of playing the game and known "named" players tend to gravitate to each other, that's kinda built into having a community.

That being said, it's frustrating when one side is completely out classed but honestly it happens in every multiplayer game at some point or another.  We've had pub stomping for a long while now and I think the players that stick around accept the fact the MWLL has a brutal learning curve, even more so when vets are around.  However, vets have the right to have "fun" and "win" as every new person.

Someone mentioned that there have been several high profile games that have been release and I agree that's had somewhat odd meta game impact.  Just from my steam list alone I can see around 10 vets playing Skyrim during the normal "prime time" for playing MWLL.  If anything that just goes to show how VERY small our community is. 

I'll be honest, with the buzz around MWO I'm not sure how much our community will grow.  Sure it's a completely type of Mechwarrior game, but just from the threads over on the MWO boards, those player don't want to upgrade their PCs, or even spend $5 on Wars to try it MWLL out.

[xDeityx]

The ignorance of this post lies in the assumptions that you are making about both the good and bad players in the stacked game.

This is not even the first post on this topic that you have made.  Why do we need to rehash this?

http://forum.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php/topic,13303.msg208983.html#msg208983

I even made a thread about why these team stack whining threads are pointless.  The gist of it is that you can only control your actions, and crying about team stacking is basically raging because other people aren't behaving like you want them to behave.  Since you can't control how they behave, the only useful thing you can do is try to do the best you can in the face of a vet stack which usually involves taking on the leadership of the team and herding the cats.

http://forum.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php/topic,13481.msg212926.html#msg212926

Déjà vu?

[ratbuddy]

The self righteous "it's their own fault for sucking" attitude is a community killer. Sure, vets can group up and roflstomp a bunch of newbies, but it's a dick move and will only drive people away. Do people really feel like big shots for "winning" in such a one sided "game?" I hope not, that'd be really sad.

[xDeityx]

I'm not saying it's their fault for sucking, what I am saying is that it is just as much of a problem when bad players all stack on one team as it is when the good players do it.  My question therefore is why is all the rage directed at the good players?  Where is the rage thread directed at the bad players for all stacking on one team?  It's illogical and hypocritical to come here pointing fingers at Xesle, Necrosexual, etc.  You just don't notice the bad players as much, but that doesn't mean there aren't chronic team stackers who constantly clump bad players on one team, leaving good players unable to do anything but join the team with fewer players but higher overall skill level.  It is extremely rare for a team stack to happen just because 4 or 5 vets all hit tab before joining, see that one team has more good players, and then join that team just so they have a higher chance of winning (so they get more experience points for the win right?).  It is much more complex than that, but it's a lot easier to ignore that fact and point fingers.

And honestly I don't buy all the "we all need to be boy scouts or else the community is doooooomed" rhetoric.  Gaming communities (especially the general forum of a game community) are vitriol filled cesspools chock full of trolls and assholes.  World of Warcraft has something like 10.3 million subscribers.  Do you think it got to be that big because the community all held hands and sang kumbaya?  Get real...