Bushwacker Prime VS Bushwacker E

[NorthernNomad]

I'm fairly new to the game, been loving it

I have a question though.

To me it seems like the Bushwacker E is much better than the Prime.

In a close range fight, the AC20 is, from my limited experience and understanding of the stats in the wiki, much more powerful than the UAC10 on the Prime. The PPC and LBL are similar as far as damage is concerned, with a slight edge to the LBL due to its precision and ease of use in close quarters compared to the PPC. The two LRM5s are totally worthless in short range, but the SRM4 is quite a nice addition due to its decent damage, cockpit shake, and ease of use (I find SRM to be far superior to SSRM unless your target is moving straight toward/away).

At long range, the Prime obviously has an advantage, but how damaging are the two LRM5s, really? How valuable is the marginally increased long range performance compared to - as far as I have experienced - the greatly increased short range performance of the E?


There is a strong possibility that I'm just doing it wrong, but could anybody touch on this subject for me?

[DFDelta]

No you are quite correct, the E is better then the Prime in most situations.

The UAC10 is able to deal more damage then the AC20, but it requires a very good aim to do so since you have to hit the same location with far more shells.
The laser has a higher damage capability then the PPC and a better range while having a similar heat buildup over longer times, but again it is harder to use as you have to keep it on target (and also since it hits instantly without needing to lead the shot it conflicts with the UAC10s aiming).
2 LRM 5s do actually deal surprisingly good damage for so little missiles, but as soon as your target is moving over 80km/h or has a LAMS they are basically useless.

Overall, the Prime is better in theory, but since so much of its performance can be hindered by screen shake, evasive enemy manouvering and similar common battlefield occurances the E is the better choice 90% of all times.

[ELH_Vivicector]

Brief: Prime is crap, don't use it. Problem is in too many different range profiles and different leading. The usual problem with canon configs in MWLL.

[DFDelta]

I liked my long explanation better 

[NorthernNomad]

I liked my long explanation better 

Awesome, that all makes sense

I forgot that the LBL is actually worse for aiming due to needing zero lead and the UAC10 needing lead... I noticed that when I was using it but I forgot when I typed up my OP :v

It would be better IMO if the Prime had a normal AC10, about the same damage as far as I can tell and no need to worry about overheating it :/

[xInVicTuSx]

The U/AC10 is still getting work, as it is now its sort of a waste of tonnage.

The Bushwacker prime is one of the worst mechs in MWLL... 

Though it used to be worse! Used to have only a Large laser, an AC10 and the LRM5's took as long as LRM20s to reload! 

Also, inb4 Zeus's lame defense.

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

Chain firing the lrm5's can help suppress mechs because of fast reload time but... yeah they're not world beaters by any means.

Prime is still a support mech at best where as the E is configed as a main line mech.

[=KoS= Saber15]

Bushwacker Prime is a laughable medium with half the firepower of a light mech, half the speed, and twice the size. A battlearmor is far, far, far more dangerous than the Bushy Prime.

The UAC/10 does piss for damage, overheats the instant you start doing actual damage, has too little ammo, and needs to be lead way too much.

The mguns are the most useful part of the mech

LRM-5s do piss for damage, though they are lulzy for pissing people off when you set them to chainfire and constantly spam them at people.

ERLBL does little meaningful damage and since it's hitscan, you have to alternate between leading with the rapid fire UAC/10 and pointing straight at the enemy for the laser.

[KingLeerUK]

The Bushwacker Prime, as with almost all our primes is meant to try and mirror, as closely as possible, the canonical "prime" of CBT.  It is decidely "non-boat" and carries a diverse range of weaponry.  In this respect it is EXACTLY what so many of the community are asking for, but alas once provided we dine on your tears and revel in your cries of woe.

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

Actually, I would say that the E is more of what the "i want a mixed load out" crowd wants.  While the 3 weapons have different ranges, all of them complement each other in that the lead for each is about the same.

[CGB [CoffiNail]]

The Bushwacker Prime, as with almost all our primes is meant to try and mirror, as closely as possible, the canonical "prime" of CBT.  It is decidely "non-boat" and carries a diverse range of weaponry.  In this respect it is EXACTLY what so many of the community are asking for, but alas once provided we dine on your tears and revel in your cries of woe.

Can you try this with the Mad Dog B canon LRM20, 2xSSRM6, ERLBL x2 and 3x Mpulse haha

[Flow]

The Bushwacker Prime, as with almost all our primes is meant to try and mirror, as closely as possible, the canonical "prime" of CBT.  It is decidely "non-boat" and carries a diverse range of weaponry.  In this respect it is EXACTLY what so many of the community are asking for, but alas once provided we dine on your tears and revel in your cries of woe.

It's not the configuration people have a problem with, it's the lack of punch found in the configuration specifically in MWLL. The UAC10 still feels very much a WIP and until that weapon can be the "hero" of the load out (as it is in CBT) the variant will continue to be considered undesirable for game-play.

[Cik]

the bushwhacker prime is garbage. as most primes are when converted to a twitch environment. in theory it could work, but all the different weapons have different leads. assuming a moving target, you are going to be spraying unfocused damage all over the place, and it wasn't like you have a ton of pain to output in the first place. some primes can work, but until the UAC/10 is made more useful, the bushwacker prime will be decidedly awful.

[KingLeerUK]

The Bushwacker Prime, as with almost all our primes is meant to try and mirror, as closely as possible, the canonical "prime" of CBT.  It is decidely "non-boat" and carries a diverse range of weaponry.  In this respect it is EXACTLY what so many of the community are asking for, but alas once provided we dine on your tears and revel in your cries of woe.

Can you try this with the Mad Dog B canon LRM20, 2xSSRM6, ERLBL x2 and 3x Mpulse haha

Will not work due to MWLL pod/slot limitations.

[Urishima }12thVR{]

twitch environment

I swear, if I hear/read this nonsensical buzzword one more time people are going to die...