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Offline NorthernNomad

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A few Observations/Requests
« on: January 06, 2012, 11:58:29 AM »
Hey, thank you all for this awesome mod, I've really been enjoying it :)

Here are a few things that, IMO, should be changed....

Bushwacker B: It needs at least one (preferably two) free ton(s). Downgrade the SSRMs to SRMs (preferable to me anyway :p ) or the SPLs to Mguns if you need to, but the lack of ammo on that mech is pretty crippling, especially considering its battlefield longevity otherwise (good armor and low profile).

Shadow Cat E: Feels like its lacking something. To me the damage doesn't seem good enough - the CDSSRM6 is inconsistent at best when it comes to laying down damage, and when you combine that with two HMBL which are all about precision, the mech just doesn't make much sense to me. Of course, I could just be doing it wrong.

Demolishers: Holy crap. I threw a number of Bushwackers and even a Thor A at this group of guys with no success. I switch to a Demo prime and slaughter a HBL Morrigu as a warmup and then proceed to nuke all three of the mechs that were holding a cap point.
To me the game seems biased towards armor in general, but the Demo really underlines it to me. It just feels like tanks outperform mechs in just about every way when it comes to laying down the hurt and taking it. Again, I could be doing something wrong, and I stick to mechs 99% of the time (I play the game for mechs), so this is odd to me.

Anyway, that's my two cents so far. Flame on :)

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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 12:15:47 PM »
Atm I'd agree with you on the Bushwacker B, it's nice on paper but it's biggest problem, ever since the armorincrease is ammo.
Under combatconditions, ie missing a few rounds two Bushwacker Bs dueling will run out of ammo before either is dead, it ends with them plinking away at each other with their SPLs which is quite pathetic.
However keep in mind that an internal damagesystem is in the works, which will ultimately result in close range weaponry getting "critseeking" abilities which might boost the usefullness of variants like this.

Scat E: never use, feels like a "frankenmech" to me...

I think the Demo is just fine, that thing is supposed to be a real threat to mechs, and srsly a Thor does have rather low armor.
The trick with tanks is to blind their view, which is rather easy due to their low speed. If you use stuff like RACs, low caliber ACs along with SRMs or even mguns (just for the particleeffect) tanks suddenly start to miss a lot of their shots because the have trouble to see you.
example Bushy A, RAC5 doe a nice job at blinding the tankdriver, and while they cool down the mguns work reasonably for that as well, add the screenshake of the SRMs and that Demo is going to have a hard time hitting you.

So much for the theory... ;)

oh and keep moving, turret turnspeed of tanks is rather low, so you might even outrun the turret if you circlestrafe a tank, thus minimizing tha attackwindow for the tank.
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 03:28:20 PM »
I agree about the Bushwacker.

Demolisher feels just right now. A threat to mechs, but not unstoppable. HBL Morrigu Is not made to duel with Demo in close, it has other role on the battlefield.

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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 03:47:51 PM »
Bushy B is absolutely brutal. It does NOT need a buff-fine as-is if you ask me. That is, if you intend to retain it's general loadout. Arming that thing with SRM6's instead of SSRM6's would just push it over the GODLIKE meter. I would never use any other 'Mech... I mean, as it stands, it can already win against Thor's and Thanny's, widthstanding pilot skill. It's just so good.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2012, 03:54:48 PM by Cloudburst »
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 04:23:18 PM »
The Shadowcat "E" is changing with the next patch to:
 
Shadowcat "E"
1x CHLL
3x CMPL
MASC
6 DHS
+3 armour tons
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 04:35:25 PM »

When will full game/demo/beta be released?
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 04:43:38 PM »
Oh yeah the bushwacker B, who says changing the ssrm to srm is a downgrade?

Bushwacker B revised suggestion:

1x lbx20
2x srm 6
2x SXPL

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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 05:49:49 PM »
Oh yeah the bushwacker B, who says changing the ssrm to srm is a downgrade?

Bushwacker B revised suggestion:

1x lbx20
2x srm 6
2x SXPL

Actually, you could probably fit MXPL in place of the SXPL if you downgraded from Streaks.
LB-20X, 2MXPL, 2SRM6 would feel a lot better IMO.

I can't think of a single IS Asset where I'd rather have Pulse lasers over XPulse lasers TBH.


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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 06:07:59 PM »
I'd just like to let you know, that those chin mounts can't handle Medium Lasers of any kind. What would work, though:

LBX20
2SRM6
2SXPL in right/left chin (torso) mounts
1MXPL in center torso

I'd prefer regular Pulse Lasers, though.. but whatever.
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 06:20:52 PM »
Wait... can the center torso mount a small?  3 small x pulse ? OH HELL YEAHH

i would really prefer 3 small instead of 2 small 1 medium not to mention the space it frees up.

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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 06:30:42 PM »
The Shadowcat "E" is changing with the next patch to:
 
Shadowcat "E"
1x CHLL
3x CMPL
MASC
6 DHS
+3 armour tons

this is good news. as it is it feels awful to me.

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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 06:49:08 PM »
The HULL systems for tanks will keep on getting tweaked and once they have it in place with the internal damage effects in place I think you'll feel that the demo is a bit more balanced.

As for the Bushy B, it's my go to mech, but yea I'd LOVE to have 1 more ton for LBX ammo.
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 06:54:15 PM »
Wait... can the center torso mount a small?  3 small x pulse ? OH HELL YEAHH


Probably not; it's a "Large" slot, and, iirc, pods can only mount weapons of that slot size or one lower (as in, Large or Medium).
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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 08:34:57 PM »
The Shadowcat "E" is changing with the next patch to:
 
Shadowcat "E"
1x CHLL
3x CMPL
MASC
6 DHS
+3 armour tons

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Re: A few Observations/Requests
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 08:58:42 PM »
That new Shadow Cat E will be wicked :)

I do agree that using normal SRM6 would be a double upgrade with the Bushwacker B... but I do not think it would make it OP.

To me it feels tanks are too durable, but is that a factor of the hull system being wonky on them?