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Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:30:30 AM »
Hey guys!

I have a hand-me-down Mac with Bootcamp (2.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro) and I'm thinking about upgrading to the newest Macs to play your mod. But I'm not experienced with picking computer hardware, so what components should I get? Or if there is a second-hand option elsewhere that will do the job for cheaper, what kind of things should I be looking for?

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 09:39:23 AM »
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam"
If you take this seriously, you're some kind of mouth-breathing fappwit that shouldn't have survived infancy.

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 09:42:02 AM »
No kidding...


If you intend to play games, Apple isn't the wisest, or cheapest, route.  I'd highly recommend building your own.  If that isn't an option, pay a friend to build you one.  If that isn't an option, pay a shop to build you one.  If that isn't an option, get an HP/Dell/Lenovo.  If that isn't an option get an Acer/Gateway/Sony/Toshiba.  Is that isn't an option, get a Mac.  In that order.
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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 09:44:06 AM »
Cheap.. Mac... for gaming.... sorry bud, ain't happening. If you insist on Mac, and want to upgrade, prepare your wallet. Or just buy a cheap PC as per Mitch's guidelines.


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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 10:16:00 AM »
I feel compelled to point out that the hardware in an Apple is the exact same as that of HP/Dell/Lenovo/etc.  The guts themselves are pretty much of identical quality and workmanship.  In fact, were it not for a bootloader chip on Mac motherboards you'd be able to install OSX on regular PCs.

Half, or more, of the cost of a Mac is the OS licensing fee.  This ranges from $600 on Macbooks to $1500 or more on Mac Pros.  And Mac users complain that Windows is expensive ::)
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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 10:36:00 AM »
People have got around that with Hackintoshes, either way a proper Mac is cost prohibitive for this mod unless the owner has pockets as deep as the Marianas Trench, or already owns it.


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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 10:39:01 AM »
Buy a cheap gaming rig + iMac = two computer and at the cost of one Mac Pro capable of running this game maxed?

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 03:08:40 PM »
Always compare specs.

MacBook ProAcer Aspire
Display17 inch17 inch
Processor2.4GHz Intel i72.2GHz Intel i7
Memory4GB6GB
Hard Drive750GB SATA 5400 rpm750GB SATA 5400 rpm
Price$2499 in Apple Store$879.99 on TigerDirect

So the Acer has a slightly slower CPU... but it's got 2GB more RAM and costs a third of the price... and it has a built-in 1.3MP webcam as well...

And this is just one example. There are many more... For similar specs you can usually get a laptop running Windows 7 for half the price of its Mac equivalent or less.

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 04:02:30 PM »
I wouldn't buy an Acer notebook though...


What are we talking about here anyway, CYBRN4CR, do you want to buy a Mac Pro?

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 07:20:01 PM »
No, I'm just looking to get a regular 'ol iMac to replace my old one (as I doubt it can even play MW:LL ::) ).

Took a peek into the sister thread which is the "let's play build me a better gaming system" thread and noticed a comment suggesting that quad cores and plenty of RAM are good to have while playing this game. I took another peek onto Apple's website for iMacs and saw their iMacs come with a choice of i5 or i7 quads and the choice of the Radeon 6750M or Radeon 6970M and of course I like the big screens. So this is a simple question, would these specs do the job of running MWLL at High (or Highest) and still have good performance, or do I really have to get a dedicated rig to play this game? Also, I have been connecting all my computers to the net wirelessly so far, but since this is a network game, does it require a direct Ethernet connection to get the best performance in that way?

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 07:23:46 PM »
No, I'm just looking to get a regular 'ol iMac to replace my old one (as I doubt it can even play MW:LL ::) ).

Took a peek into the sister thread which is the "let's play build me a better gaming system" thread and noticed a comment suggesting that quad cores and plenty of RAM are good to have while playing this game. I took another peek onto Apple's website for iMacs and saw their iMacs come with a choice of i5 or i7 quads and the choice of the Radeon 6750M or Radeon 6970M and of course I like the big screens. So this is a simple question, would these specs do the job of running MWLL at High (or Highest) and still have good performance, or do I really have to get a dedicated rig to play this game? Also, I have been connecting all my computers to the net wirelessly so far, but since this is a network game, does it require a direct Ethernet connection to get the best performance in that way?

dedicated rigs are only recommended, as long as you have 2+ gigs of ram, and a new esq graphics card it should be fine. faster processor would help too. internet connection is only an issue if it sucks.
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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 07:24:02 PM »
If you buy a mac you are overpaying by a huge margin, i would recommend you get a PC and not line apple's greedy pockets. You would also be able to get a much better rig for the same price.

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 07:24:54 PM »
No, I'm just looking to get a regular 'ol iMac to replace my old one (as I doubt it can even play MW:LL ::) ).

Took a peek into the sister thread which is the "let's play build me a better gaming system" thread and noticed a comment suggesting that quad cores and plenty of RAM are good to have while playing this game. I took another peek onto Apple's website for iMacs and saw their iMacs come with a choice of i5 or i7 quads and the choice of the Radeon 6750M or Radeon 6970M and of course I like the big screens. So this is a simple question, would these specs do the job of running MWLL at High (or Highest) and still have good performance, or do I really have to get a dedicated rig to play this game?

Well, the mobile variant of the Radeon HD 6970 probably can't compare to the dedicated variant, but my guess would be, that the 6970M can do the job fairly well. Since the 6970M variant of the iMac is the only one with 1GB GPU RAM, I'd take that one, if money is not the issue ;).

However, I doubt you'll be able to play on High settings at the native resolution of that iMac variant (2560 x 1440) with decent framerates.



Also, I have been connecting all my computers to the net wirelessly so far, but since this is a network game, does it require a direct Ethernet connection to get the best performance in that way?

There is no inherent requirement for a LAN connection, no.

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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 08:10:23 PM »
Also figure into the cost a copy of Windows because Crysis doesn't play on native OSX.

Seriously, just get a PC.  Macs aren't built for gaming and most games aren't built to run on them.  Any propaganda that says otherwise is woefully incorrect.  By the time you spend $1400 on a barely adequate iMac you could have gotten an extremely powerful PC.

And seriously, a 1 year warranty?  On a computer that starts at $1200-2000?  Ridiculous.  At least when Alienware does that on a desktop that you get a machine that isn't built using laptop parts.
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Re: Cheapest and Best Mac to use with MW:LL?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 08:48:39 PM »
This is just my opinion as a developer, knowing the specs, current requirements and possible future requirements to play MWLL so take it with a grain of unbiased salt.

I understand some people need macs for whatever reason (design work, familiarity, so forth) so if you're going to get one, the baseline specs I'd recommend for either a PC or a Mac (whichever you choose) is as follows. Please budget accordingly as this is just a baseline measurement for adequate performance and an explanation of how every part of your computer affects MWLL performance.

CPU should be 3.2+Ghz Quad-Core (Crysis isn't fantastic at Multithreading, but will still use two cores, and physics can be put on a third). Our game is extremely CPU intensive, so if you're going to sink a buck into any particular part, it should be the best CPU (preferably an i7 as its 4 cores are registered at 8 [with Hyperthreading], which gives you better overall performance as the extra cores can be put on system and background tasks). Our game should have at the very least 2 cores to itself, with 3 being optimal (push physics to third core) and let background tasks run on your remaining cores.

RAM should be 4GB minimum (6+ recommended) as with modern-day operating systems (Windows in particular) I run roughly 1.5GB at a fresh boot (Windows 7 pre-caches RAM to be used for commonly accessed programs, so your computer isn't actually using 1.5GB the same way WinXP would, as this increases overall performance at the cost of pre-cached memory). MWLL generally uses 1+GB of system memory, but to avoid "paging" (paging means accessing the hard disk to be used as temporary ram, which decreases overall system performance as your hard disk isn't as "fast" as ram). So, in summary, by default, with a fresh boot of Win7, no background programs running, and just MWLL, you're looking at almost 4GB ram optimally without any performance decrease.

GPU should have at minimum 1GB memory for optimal performance. You may skate by with 512mb, but you will notice stuttering at higher resolutions and texture settings simply because MWLL also uses quite a bit of video memory due to the amount of assets loaded on screen. MWLL is a different beast than Crysis as the maps are generally much larger, as are the assets themselves (larger assets require larger textures as they take up more actual world-space than Crysis assets). To retain visual fidelity, larger texture sizes are required per-asset, which increases the amount of video memory used. I'd recommend a card with 2GB ram personally to future-proof yourself for this game, and others.

Sound Card should have at least 128 channels, 64 minimum to avoid the dropping of sounds. Generally, sound cards don't matter much in current systems, but for some reason, due to the amount of things going on (multiple weapons firing from your mech and others around you, collisions, sound effects, so forth) our game is a bit more sound intensive simply due to the amount of things actually going on around you. This is just recommended, but not as highly recommended as the above parts. Regard your sound card last in the priority list.

In summary;

My personal recommended MWLL System Requirements for optimal performance:

CPU = 3.2Ghz (or higher) Quad Core i7
RAM = 4GB (or higher) 
GPU = 1GB (or higher)
SC = 128 Channels


My personal minimum MWLL System Requirement for baseline (sub-optimal) performance:

CPU = 3.0Ghz (no less) Dual-Core
RAM = 4GB (no less)
GPU = 512MB (no less)
SC = 64 Channels


Obviously there are other things that can affect performance, such as hard drives (getting a 10k RPM hard drive or SSD will decrease loading times of launching MWLL and loading maps and increase overall system performance dramatically), faster RAM (DDR3 1333+) will also decrease loading times and speed up the launching of applications and so forth, but it really comes down to finding a nice median for your budget.

You can probably build the PC equivalent of the recommended system requirements for $1k or below, but for a Mac with the recommended specs, you're probably going to push $2-3k for the "luxury tax" of owning a Mac. I have nothing against Macs except the inherent overpriced system hardware and inherent limitations (No Windows without Bootcamp, no Direct X games, can't run many industry-standard pieces of software like 3DSMax). Macs to me are simply paying more for less but that's only my personal opinion as I build my own systems and have different expectations and requirements out of my hardware and operating system.

If you can't afford a system with the recommended system requirements, you can build a baseline PC that can run MWLL (and any other game) fairly well with $500-$700. Anything higher than that is just performance gravy.

I hope this helped.
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