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CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« on: January 26, 2012, 01:05:37 PM »
Just like I said, I have gone through the wiki and have checked MWLL armor in comparison to CBT and vice-versa. The figures I get from this are confusing. It seems that Devs don't yet have a system for armor. Sometimes they follow CBT example (Warhammer vs. Thor, Puma vs. Owens - armor difference on these mechs in mwll is somewhere near that of CBT), but in other times it is completely different (Mauler VS Blood Asp - In this example mauler has abut the same armor as Blood Asp even though mauler should have around 75-80% armor of a Blood asp.)

So with the nerfing of Blood Asp armor planned in the next patch (I really can't see why this is happening), the blood asp will basically become that mauler should be.

P.S. It seems that Devs indeed DO try to acknowledge the difference between FF armor and STD armor.
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 05:10:07 PM »
they are going to be codifying the build rules so that my be tweaked anyway. lest see what happens in the next patch.
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 05:18:53 PM »
The original Mauler Prime designs rolling out of the factories in 3050 had less armor than a BASP.

However, by 3062 upgraded designs like the MAL-3R were featuring 16 tons of FF armor, technically MORE than the basp.

Remember that MWLL works off of 3067 tech, so most mechs are going to be 'updated' to that level in some way or other.

One of the obvious exceptions of course is the Atlas, which has been stated to be the intentional old faithful of the class, being cheaper but less world destroying as some of the other assaults.

I personally believe that the Mauler's tonnage could easily be made up for and armor added to sane levels (would anyone really take a Mauler with the armor of a Warhammer?) by remix of ballistic tonnages and the way the first time of ammo is accounted for. My guess is UAC2s aren't as stupid heavy as they are in CBT to keep them from being complete shit and useless.

I've done plenty of these calculations based off the various beta patches throughout the years and the only thing that has really gotten me to rage is the Osiris.

I could dig up the sources for where the devs said certain things that led me to these conclusions... but I'm too lazy, they're in the forums somewhere. :P

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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 05:33:04 PM »
Which brings us to the obvious question... Could we get a peak into new tonnage system pretty please

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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 06:20:52 PM »
No.
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 06:23:53 PM »
Build Rules and Tonnage Balance Sheets are released on February 30th, just like every year.
 
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 06:31:45 PM »
Build Rules and Tonnage Balance Sheets are released on February 30th, just like every year.
 
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 06:36:39 PM »
don't worry, when I become president of the Galaxy I will make every day February 30th ;)
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 06:40:43 PM »
You have my vote, and my axe!


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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 06:49:21 PM »
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 09:20:54 PM »
aww double no. Well there always February the 30th XD
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 09:55:37 PM »
I get the people some folks don't understand it...

I am just going to leave that retarded statement there. How could I butcher the English so bad? I don't know so i'm just going to write sentence without suing backstapce.
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 10:14:00 PM »
I b confuzzled :o

Also I think we should lock this thread... it's getting "toasted".
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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 10:22:36 PM »
To be fair, KingLeer's the one who toasted it (or at least got it started). The rest are reactionary posts to his general intent, "Sit down, eat a cookie, relax, and wait."

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Re: CBT armor translation into MWLL.
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 06:31:50 AM »
don't forget, there is the factor of surface area to consider.

i think some stuff gets it's armor boosted to compensate for how much easier it to hit.
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