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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1095 on: April 08, 2010, 06:07:48 PM »
Need more medium and heavy

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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1096 on: April 09, 2010, 07:30:31 AM »
Need more medium and heavy

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We need the Crab, Penetrator, Uziel, Rifleman, Raijin and Komodo. And Urbies and King Crabs, tough these are not meds/heavies  :P
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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1097 on: April 09, 2010, 08:45:34 AM »
I'd like to see the Blackjack


In general I think we need more medium mechs at first, since there are only 3 meds for both factions so far, but 4 of any other weightclass
check the wiki

 Reminds me of JagerMech, which is a good addition too.



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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1098 on: April 09, 2010, 11:08:39 AM »
Better go with the Rifleman instead. It's far more popular in the IS, and one of the classics.

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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1099 on: April 09, 2010, 11:54:45 AM »
And it's the AA mech - we could use one! :)
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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1101 on: April 09, 2010, 01:07:19 PM »
Better go with the Rifleman instead. It's far more popular in the IS, and one of the classics.
true, but I want more medium weight mechs! :P
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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1102 on: April 09, 2010, 01:20:39 PM »
And it's the AA mech - we could use one! :)

 Jagermech is AA too. :P



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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1103 on: April 09, 2010, 02:05:58 PM »
Rifleman is a 60 ton heavy mech, which is pretty damn close to a medium mech anyway nitpicking aside


anyway that aside Centurion would be my pick for the next IS medium, and BlackHawk (Nova) for clan medium
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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1104 on: April 09, 2010, 04:02:34 PM »
The Centurion is a bit too old and underpowered for the 3067 battlefield IMHO.  Would prefer an Enfield or a Grim Reaper in it's place though (same role but better):
For Comparison:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Enfield
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grim_Reaper

The Old Centurion just can't stand against the more modern 50-55ton machines, even the Bushwhacker http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bushwacker is a much better choice, and if you put the Centurion against the Uziel, you get one dead Centurion.  Best the Centurion could manage would be as a starter 'mech, and IMO I'd still go with the Owens or Raven to start with over the Centurion in 3067.

Same goes for the Centurions partner, the Trebuchet; why would you spend all the C-Bills on that machine when an Apollo (the mini-Archer) does the same job....better (Artemis FCS has those LRM15s hitting like LRM20s)... for the equivalent  cash?
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Trebuchet
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Apollo_(BattleMech)

The Crab is one of my favourite mediums, but it just doesn't fit with MWLL - the design would have to have a visible cockpit and the original, as we all know is a headless 'mech), and the distinctive arms would have to be removed for the pod system to work for example - it just wouldn't be a Crab anymore.

The Blackjacks always been one of my favourites, as a Marik enthusiast I'm used to running under-armed, underweight lances and the Blackjack Omni with it's UAC5s was excellent direct fire-support for my fast moving Wraiths and Cicadas; the Alt A provides as much indirect firepower as a 65ton Catapult , B is a C3 machine, D an energy boat and C pumps out almost as much firepower as my beloved Bandersnatch so it's all good) The earlier BlackJack Battlemech (non-omni) is pretty awful though.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blackjack_Omni
And it fits the Pod system pretty damn well too  8)

The Men Shen (the Ravens big brother) is another machine I'd love to see, a 55ton Recon 'mech with 17tons of pod space and good armour for a medium, top speed with MASC 130kph.  Would be great to upgrade an Ownes or Raven to the Men Shen when the big guns come out on the field.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen


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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1105 on: April 09, 2010, 04:10:35 PM »
The Centurion is a bit too old and underpowered for the 3067 battlefield IMHO.  Would prefer an Enfield or a Grim Reaper in it's place though (same role but better):
For Comparison:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Enfield
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grim_Reaper

The Old Centurion just can't stand against the more modern 50-55ton machines, even the Bushwhacker http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bushwacker is a much better choice, and if you put the Centurion against the Uziel, you get one dead Centurion.  Best the Centurion could manage would be as a starter 'mech, and IMO I'd still go with the Owens or Raven to start with over the Centurion in 3067.

The Centurion went through plenty of upgrades after the clan invasion to keep up with the times. Some even have higher Battle Values than most variants listed at sarna for the Enfield and Bushwacker (the last two in the list below).

  • CN10-B - The CN10-B uses an Endo Steel chassis to save weight on the design. The 'Mech also retains its original ground speed and standard Fusion Engine. The 'Mech carries an LB-X Autocannon/10 as its primary weapon with an LRM-10 launcher with an Artemis IV fire control system. This is all backed up with a Medium Laser and a Medium Pulse Laser. BV (1.0) = 1,078, BV (2.0) = 1,243
  • CN9-D9 - Built by Jalastar Aerospace as a testbed for newer technologies, the D9 modifies the D. It utilizes Light Ferro-Fibrous armor, and upgrades the amount of protection to the specifications of the D5. It also mounts a Compact Gyro, though the design does little to utilize the space that is made available. The autocannon is replaced with a Plasma Rifle, which is fed by a two-ton ammo bin. Like the upgrade to the D5, the D9 mounts to ER Mediums in the chest and upgrades to double heat sinks. Perhaps the most notable upgrade, however, is the inclusion of jump jets that enable the Centurion to leap up to 180 meters at a time. BV (2.0) = 1,638
  • CN9-D5 - This variant of the Centurion is inspired by the CN9-D and uses the same engine and chassis. The 'Mech uses MASC to allow it bursts of speed reaching up to 129.6 kph. The weapons have been greatly modified. The weapons compliment has been completely removed. The 'Mechs primary weapon is a Rotary Autocannon/5. This is backed up by two ER Medium Lasers. To direct this firepower, the 'Mech uses an advanced Targeting Computer. Additionally, the 'Mech carries a C3 Slave unit to allow it to share targeting data with its lance mates. BV (1.0) = 1,376, BV (2.0) = 1,580

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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1106 on: April 09, 2010, 05:49:50 PM »
Centurion, Nova, Jagermech, Ryoken, Summoner, Hellbringer and stuff...

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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1107 on: April 09, 2010, 10:08:25 PM »
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You know I hadn't thought about the upgraded Centurions, but it occurs to me that most of these machines, while packing advanced components to up their BV, are seriously flawed, and still struggle compared to the newer machines.

Old CN9-A Centurion:
Pros: Standard engine, so is much tougher to kill, even at 2.5 tons of armour less than the Enfield due to the Enfields XL engine.
Cons: It is obsolete by 3070s - too little firepower, too slow (20kph slower than the Enfield).

CN10-B Centurion
Pros: Standard Engine as original, much better firepower (still less than the Enfield)
Cons: Same speed as old machine, 2.5ton less armour than Enfield, has to remain at a stand-off for the Artemis LRM10s to add to the LBX and medium lasers (unlike the Enfield which has no minimum range weapons)  Costs the same in BV as the Enfield; ergo less bang for bucks.

CN9-D5 Centurion
Pros: It's fast, I like that, it has more options than the Enfield :) RAC5 with Targetting computer...hell yes!  You can run away when the RAC5 jams.  It's pretty hot direct fire support though, best variant I've seen.
Cons: A Musketeer 45ton Hovertank has the same firepower at almost half the cost (BV 840ish) (the Musketeer has 1 ton less armour and no TC but it carries CASE) and has a similar speed .  The D5s XL engine makes it fragile and it still has 2.5tons less armour than the Enfield, it's also slightly more expensive.  Almost all of the machines firepower is in one area, and that RAC5 is unreliable if over-used (which it has to do to match an Enfields fire output).

CN9-D9 Centurion
Pros: Upgrade on the D (that's not saying much really),  Fun&Funky Plasma Rifle (would rather have the RAC5 TBH) Jump Jets!
Cons: XL Engine and only 8.5tons (equivalent) Standard  Armour (2.5tons less than the Enfield), as slow as the original, meh firepower, pointless expensive gyro and at 200 BV more than the Enfield.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the old Centurion/Trebuchet combo, in my minds eye I still see one swivelling to look at a Dropship while it's female pilot says "Welcome to Port Arthur Sir"; but after 3050 they are both showing their age and even overhauled massively they still struggle to out perform the raw firepower of the newer machines; worse still they get these upgrades by loosing their one advantage (the durable Standard engine) and really become underarmed and underarmoured which is why after 3050 I consider them obsolete (all but the D5).

The D5s the best of the bunch IMHO but I'd still rather have 2 Musketeer tanks or one Enfield than the D5 for much the same cost.


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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1108 on: April 10, 2010, 12:17:40 AM »
Hey guys! Let's get rid of all the Star League designs aswell! Who needs those old pieces of junk anyway?
You can't just compare mechs that stem from the time of level 1 rules with the new designs. Also: Price. As I mentioned serveral times in my Mechlab thread, non-XL engines should make for much MUCH cheaper mechs. They definitely have their place.

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Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
« Reply #1109 on: April 11, 2010, 03:33:27 AM »
Thor and Blackhawk "aka nova"