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Heavy VTOL's
« on: March 23, 2013, 04:31:12 AM »
First in a series, inspired by the proposed heavy VTOLs in game idea

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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 11:41:01 AM »
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2013, 12:02:20 AM »
Ingame ? it was planned but never debugged/implemented

In a hypothetical combat scenario, they would be essential in a protracted campaign.

They ferry fuel for the vehicles, and expendable ammo reloads, as well as spares and PBI's
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2013, 12:03:39 AM »
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2013, 12:20:21 AM »
Correct me if i'm wrong here, but heavy VTOLs are non-canon AFAIK.

So would something like the Vampire or the Zugvogel not be more appropriate? The Zug C specifically has a hoist and repair facilities. Maybe a Leopard class, but i think it might be a bit too large.
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2013, 12:43:37 AM »
The battletech manual doesnt say so, it just describes VTOL's and their function, primarily as a support vechicle since the rotors cant be armoured.

I also recall seeing quad rotor mech lifters back in the day, and mechcommader used quad rotor Vtols as feild repair units IIRC

If you look at the picture bottom left on this sheet you will see a mech lifter in action



Edit: Looking a little deeper i see the max tonnage for Vtols is 30.

So if we are talking US measurements There are 2,000 pounds in a US ton, a Chinook weighs in with a chassis of 23,400 lb, so about 11.7 tons
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2013, 05:28:32 AM »
Heres the flipside of that revell model sheet



I'd kill for the factory kit with the warhammer in it
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2013, 06:56:49 AM »
Having said all that crunching the numbers on the US armys Joint Heavy Lift (JHL) program the maximum cargo capacity is around the 20 ton mark

Choppers than can carry mechs are doomed to the realm of fiction at this stage

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/jhl.htm

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/photorelease/q3/pr_050923p-1.html





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_Quad_TiltRotor
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2013, 07:50:20 AM »
Having said that......


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44,205 kg (88,636 lb) is the record.

1) "The Soviet made Mil V-12 (Also referred to as the Mi-12, NATO reporting name "Homer") is the largest helicopter ever built. The name "Mi-12" would have been the name for the production helicopter. Since the V-12 never went into production and only two prototypes were built, the name "Mi-12" was never adopted."

"Development came about as a need for a heavy lift helicopter capable of carrying major missile components. Production began on the V-12 prototype in 1965 with the goal of lifting no less than 30,000 kg.


Read more: How much is the maximum weight a helicopter can lift? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1563797#ixzz2ORAnYruD

That converts to  44.312 tons

And the Mi 26 makes the chinook look small

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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2013, 11:45:57 AM »
*Awesomeness*

I'd kill for the factory kit with the warhammer in it

Ask and ye shall recieve:
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Also that quad tiltrotor thing looks awesome, i hope it becomes a real thing someday. Too bad they're working with Bell instead of Sikorsky. Nothing against Bell helicopters, but they just don't have the awesome track record for military choppers that Sikorsky does.
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2013, 03:13:36 PM »
Nothing against Bell helicopters, but they just don't have the awesome track record for military choppers that Sikorsky does.

W-w-what? The Huey family's been there for more than 50 years, mostly because the UH-1 and the AH-1 fit their niche so well, that they don't really need a replacement. The Kiowa is also kept in service for a good reason.

I like Sikorsky too, but saying that Bell choppers have a less succesful track record is quite silleh imo.

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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2013, 11:13:12 PM »
The 30-ton limit is just for combat VTOLs, actually; Tech Manual allows for support VTOLs up to 60 tons, so you could do some pretty serious heavy lifting with a support VTOL - you could certainly carry some lighter 'mechs. Even if you insist on the cargo's weight coming out of the 60 ton total, you could probably at least manage to drop an Urbie on someone. ;)

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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2013, 11:47:54 PM »
Nothing against Bell helicopters, but they just don't have the awesome track record for military choppers that Sikorsky does.

W-w-what? The Huey family's been there for more than 50 years, mostly because the UH-1 and the AH-1 fit their niche so well, that they don't really need a replacement. The Kiowa is also kept in service for a good reason.

I like Sikorsky too, but saying that Bell choppers have a less succesful track record is quite silleh imo.

Fair enough, i was thinking more along the lines of how Sikorsky make the sky crane, pave low, seaking, super stallion, blackhawk, some of the best helicopters ever made and all dedicated to carrying fairly sizeable paylods for their respective weigbht classes. I should have said that instead of just saying military helicopters, but i misspoke and you are, of course, correct in pointing out that Bell did make some of the most successful helicopters ever.
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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2013, 09:20:30 AM »
Well if your asking about VTOLs above 30 tons (which is heavier than most real world examples) then yes they do exist.
here's a 40 ton attack chopper http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Garuda
A 60 ton transport
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Trireme
a 56 ton cargo VTOL, capable of lifting a 100 ton assault mech
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tonbo

TRO 3145 has a 50 ton BA VTOL as well (the Cardinal)

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Re: Heavy VTOL's
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2013, 04:50:17 PM »
The 30-ton limit is just for combat VTOLs, actually; Tech Manual allows for support VTOLs up to 60 tons, so you could do some pretty serious heavy lifting with a support VTOL - you could certainly carry some lighter 'mechs. Even if you insist on the cargo's weight coming out of the 60 ton total, you could probably at least manage to drop an Urbie on someone. ;)

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