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Offline Mr_Blastman

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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2009, 01:43:47 PM »
i just got my lens and mounted it on my 21" crt and holy shit what a change! my moniter is now about a 35 inch. I would recemend this to anyone!


P.S. Do you have the grooved side facing the moniter to facing you?

I have the grooved side facing the monitor, the flat side facing me.  Be sure to experiment with the lens at different distances before settling on your desired focal length.  There are some tradeoffs between crispness of image and amount of depth perception so find the perfect balance for yourself.

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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2009, 01:58:29 PM »

What size lens did you get, how much was it, and where from? I have a 21" and 24" LCD, wouldn't mind trying this on either one.


I got the F550 from 3dlens.com .  I think it is too small for the 24 inch LCD, but should work fine on the 21 inch one provided it is a 4:3 display - but, check the length and width measurements and compare with the length and width of the F550 (check the 3dlens website).



I do miss my flat-screen CRT's though. They're easier on the eyes in some ways, I think, and they do a better job of delivering proper color with much more vibrancy and contrast - until OLED's get here anyway. Maybe this trick would be a great way to make the small-sized OLED's on the market much more useable.

Question: do they for example, mangle fine text, looking like it's very low resolution or in dire need of anti-aliasing?


They do not mangle fine text at all if you are talking about normal windows font.  I regularly leave it hooked up all day long and surf websites, forums etc.  There is no need for anti-aliasing as the lens performs a form of anti-aliasing itself as an added bonus.  The only downside is really small dots on the screen become slightly harder to catch in a game (at least with my focal length, but I get more depth perception which is great for FPS.  In IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, spotting the dot of a plane against a forest is slightly harder.  In Team Fortress 2, there is nothing but big benefits.  I expect the same will be true for MW:LL.  In Crysis - HOLY COW the fresnel is INCREDIBLE.


Some more questions: I didn't notice seeing a firm answer on joystick support. I don't have a HOTAS Cougar, but I do have a Saitek X52. While it's software makes it rather adaptable, I do hope that I will be able to use both it and my much cheaper but surprisingly functional Logitech Wingman 3d to their full ability.

They coded in multi-axis support so I think we're in good shape here, your saitek can be programmed independently of the game software so I think we're gonna be able to do what us hotas users want to do.


And lastly, I don't get the point of the TrackIR. Granted I didn't go into all the demos and whatnot on the website, but whether it's tracking the movement of my head or my pupils, the fact is that my focus of view is no longer with my eyes and/or head pointed directly at the screen, so unless you've got your monitor mounted on rails with a motor or something on it, I can't see where this accomplishes anything of benefit, because i'm still no longer looking directly at the middle of the screen... Unless the head or pupil movements it reads are phenomenally sensitive and shift the screen position quite a great deal, I suppose...

You need to experience a Track IR firsthand to realize its potential.  Trust me, I don't know a single person who, after using one for the first time wanted to go back to simming without one.  They change your SA (situation awareness) forever, where you now actually have it where you didn't before.  Think about this:

Imagine sitting in your mech cockpit and turning your head instantly to the side to look left and right without having to torso twist (keeping your reticle on target).  With Track IR, you can do this, saving you time, effort and wasted motion.  I used the glance side to side function religiously in MW2: Mercs and MW 4.

I wouldn't even think of playing a flight sim or driving sim again without it.  If I do, I feel trapped an forced to look straight ahead and as if I am in some stupid console "game" rather than actually "in" the world, which the Track IR enables me to be.  I don't think it is necessary for MW:LL but it'd be nifty.

If you want to see more, check out naturalpoint's website, they have videos of it working, plus there are many on Youtube (basically every FreeFalcon, OpenFalcon, Blackshark or EECH video makes use of it).

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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2009, 08:08:47 PM »
I got the F550 from 3dlens.com.. . 

Thanks for all the really awesome info Mr_Blastman! I'll definitely check out the TrackIR stuff further!



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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2009, 09:57:19 AM »
I have mine set up in such a way that i can adjust it. I tend to push it closer for a smaller/clearer image when working on the mod or doing allot of reading. When playing games i pull it way out so my 21" becomes a 46", you don't really need the sharpest picture when playing games anyway. I would DEFINATLY recommend this to any comp gamer, it may look kinda funny (i have mine in a nice frame so not so much for me :P) but the size gain is very worth it. I'm prob gonna buy a second so i can seamless join my 2 monitors and run everything in ultra widescreen! :D


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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2009, 04:16:00 PM »
One issue here... Is the lens actually supposed to be smaller than my screen?

The F550 lens is only 320mm x 400mm, whereas my 21" Samsung 213t is (approx.) 470mm wide by 460mm high, at least according to the manufacturers specs - it is in fact a 4:3 display. This would leave me with a lens rather smaller than the screen, and I'm curious as to whether or not this all still works. Looking at the photos I've seen and at the frames the lenses sit in, they don't seem to be trapezoidal, so I'm wondering if this is appropriate?

So far, I've only located one 18.5" Fresnel lens, from Edmund Scientific, with an 18" focal length, and it's $299. I must assume it's glass, because to charge that much for a thin sheet of PVC is ludicrous. Actually, I just found the same lens at anchoroptics.com at the same price, but it does state these are also plastic.

I've been looking for about an hour now and don't see anything else that comes close. I'm guessing then that what is implied here is that the combination of the magnification effect plus having the (albeit smaller) lens closer to my face is what makes the difference, or am I missing my mark here?

For $300 I can buy another monitor.



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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2009, 06:06:05 PM »
(i have mine in a nice frame so not so much for me :P) but the size gain is very worth it. I'm prob gonna buy a second so i can seamless join my 2 monitors and run everything in ultra widescreen! :D

Nice man.  What kind of frame is it and how did you  make it?  Care to post some pics so I can see?  I'm itching to do a 3 monitor setup, I have 3 lenses, I just need to get two other like-sized screens.

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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2009, 06:08:17 PM »
Siege, the lens should be the same size or smaller than the viewable screen area.  If the monitor box itself is big, you should measure the screen itself and see.  I've tried using a lens smaller than my screen before and you have to sit really close with your face up to it almost to see everything.

With my lens bigger than my screen area, I'm able to sit way back from the lens.  Keep searching - just make sure you have a really fine groove pitch (the number of grooves per inch) to ensure higher quality image clarity.

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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2009, 06:17:14 PM »
Im using the f550 for my 21" and it works fine. I can even see the side of my moniter in there so you have a bit of room to play with.


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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2009, 07:45:05 PM »
Aye I just love the old CRT screens that take up 10x the room ... not. I kinda like the thin panels of the LCD just fine thanks, that magnifier just looks utterly retarded.  As my PC is not in my bedroom (like most of yours by the looks) and I actually entertain people at my house with my wife, it actually has to fit in somewhat with it's surroundings, so my nice 22" samsung 2232bw syncmaster's are just fine for me.

Yeah, those are good monitors actually. Large screen area, don't use much space etc... and are better for doing actual work on if you have to (magnifying the screen doesn't give it more pixels after all).

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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2009, 10:08:20 AM »
By the by:

This page: http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

Will allow you to plug in the numbers and it will give you the actual Length x Width measurements of the viewable area of your screen for gaging a proper lens size. Just plug in the size in inches (diagonal) of your screen in both boxes, and then take the "Your viewing area is" figure from the appropriate box for either 16:9 or 4:3.

According to this my 21" 4:3 screen is 16.8 in(w) x 12.6 in(h), or 426.7mm x 320mm, so the F550 (400mm x 320mm) looks to be about an inch short in total width - which I suppose I can deal with - and just right height-wise. I'll be ordering one shortly!



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Re: HOTAS Support
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2009, 07:57:24 AM »
You can adjust the distance between the lens and moniter to increade or decrease the viewing size. If i pull my lens away from my moniter (21" 4:3) the edges of my moniter come into view but if i go too far the picture starts to go a bit blurry. Experiment with the distance to get what you want. You will have no prob with your 21"


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