What will happen to Crytek if Gemany bans voilent video games?

[~SJ~ Karuik]

DAMN STRAIGHT BOWRRL!

[Stormin']

...USA with Natives and their internment of Asians, "They like living on reservations", or "It never happened"...

Clearly you have no understanding of the political correctness shoved down the throats of Americans on a daily basis.  Any media ever produced featuring any past oppressed group portrays those oppressed individuals as misunderstood heroes and the oppressors as the most evil of men.  America doesn't deny its past evils, it celebrates them.  Everyone here is a "victim" of something, whether it be racial injustice, religious intolerance, environmental inequality, corporate greed, or political scheming.  Pick your oppressor.

With respect to the thread, although I was not familiar with the troubles in Germany, I can understand the fear of unknown influences in a child's life.  Many parents, good or bad, are faced with a distanced relationship with their children and often do not understand why.  Most parents probably think they are good parents, and all parents fear outside influences on their children (drugs, sex, friends, etc.).  Most parents will see the best in their child and the worst in another.  It is human nature to assume someone or something else is to blame.  No one can deny the sense of empowerment some games provide, particularly to those with low self-esteem.  Add to that the anonymity of an online ego with no retribution or fear of consequence, and some kids simply cannot cope with reality.  There also should be no question of the desensitizing nature of repeated exposure to violence and gore.  The immersion factor of games also far exceeds that of other mediums, including TV, movies, music, etc.  With these influences plainly visible to concerned parents, it is easy to make the assumption that they are dangerous to your child.  They are not stupid, they are simply fearful.

What we are seeing is an evolution of many things, and society is having a hard time keeping up with it.  Kids have access to a huge array of possibly dangerous influences these days.  Culprit number 1, the media.  Once upon a time, kids that felt like social outcasts would just kill themselves...I remember all the anti-suicide stuff you were bombarded with as a teenager in the 80's and early 90's.  The modern media has offered some of these kids a way to be remembered, a way to exert control over their world in one final moment.  If this sort of thing happened, say, in the 1950's, there weren't national news services blaring it into the homes of millions 24/7, and those incidents would remain isolated.  Yeah, I see how kids in this frame of mind could find an outlet in gaming and take from it things that affect them in a negative way.  But I'm pretty sure those kids probably already had something wrong upstairs.

Many of you point to bad parenting, but bad parents have always existed.  This is a combination of many influences.  Violent gaming can be one of those influences.  But then again, so can many other things.  The solution will not lie in state-mandated limitation of access, but rather in early identification, early education, and genuine concern for a child's emotional well-being.  This of course is in addition to "good parenting".  So many kids are just cranked through the system and go unnoticed...

[Liljagare]

...USA with Natives and their internment of Asians, "They like living on reservations", or "It never happened"...

Clearly you have no understanding of the political correctness shoved down the throats of Americans on a daily basis.  Any media ever produced featuring any past oppressed group portrays those oppressed individuals as misunderstood heroes and the oppressors as the most evil of men.  America doesn't deny its past evils, it celebrates them.  Everyone here is a "victim" of something, whether it be racial injustice, religious intolerance, environmental inequality, corporate greed, or political scheming.  Pick your oppressor.

My point was, it's like that all over, every nation goes into denial mode about some things, opening up the path for ignorance is bliss, and voila, we do it all over again.

As I said though, it's the same in pretty much every nation I've been too, we're all experts at in some ways generalize, rewrite, and say "It wasn't so bad", thusly opening up for history to repeat itself, as it keeps on doing over and over all over the world.

Just look at how many white power parties are sneaking back in in Europe! The UK even managed to send a guy over that only accept whites in his political party.

And, I lived in the US for 15 years, recently moved back home, was a interesting place for sure... :=)


On parents though, I wish there were a decent study on how we live now, kids get thrown into daycare usually around age 1, since most of the time, both parents work, and don't realise that their kids spend more hours out of family than in it.

If you have a kid that has underlying issues, being put in a large group with other kids, rather than being able to be at home, with atleast one parent, you're setup for a rough childhood imho. Sure, alot of families are totally dysfunctional, but I wonder what is worse, being at home in a rough family, or being at daycare and overlooked. I believe alot of issues start early, and are best dealt with early.

I know both in the German and Swedish system you sometimes have 30 kids being watched by 1 adult, maybe with 1 aid... Easy to miss things in a situation like that.

[SeniorBiscuit]

Violent video games arent a cause, theyre an effect. They're just another distraction for people to take their frustration out on.

Imagine a society where you are FORCED into government regulated education programs, molded to be an efficient worker, and then forced to work your entire life for currency. Then you just give the currency back to the same people you work for in exchange for low quality trivial items that costs them pennies to make, but costs you 20 dollars. These same trivial items were made by people even worse off than you in sweat shops across the rest of the world. Then you get old retire and die of cancer, with the happy feeling that the same thing awaits your children if you had any. Thats America, I cant speak for other wealthy countries (if you are reading this thats you) but im sure its similar across the board.

The last vestige of freedom in America atleast are the small buisness owners, but between increasing taxes from the government, big corporations undercutting prices, and the economic situation, these are dropping like flies anyway.

These school shootings are just cases of kids who couldnt deal with the insanity that everyone else mistakes as normal. Then again the truth is, nobody with any REAL power in the world, REALLY cares at ALL about any of these kids that die.

Social Libertarianism woohoo!

[=CJW= Rad Hanzo]

I´d say we´d make all politicans frontline helpers in MW:LL xD^^

[MechPredator]

"It was well publicized that the killer involved in the German high school shooting at Albertville secondary school, Stuttgart was a Counter Strike and Far Cry 2 fan."

So what? millions of people are a Counter Strike and far cry 2 fan. Besides, those aren't very violent (low level of gore).

I bet the guy was also a fan of cup-cakes and "watching movies", maybe he even read this book... should we ban those too? (yes, the book should be banned)

[13th Fear]

Every time I play crysis I feel like going out and murdering a flying alien before it can terraform our planet into an icy grave.

[CHHš Sturmadler]

I´d say we´d make all politicans frontline helpers in MW:LL xD^^

Please no.  I'd not like to pay taxes for this game to be made half-assed, and sold back to me at 4 times its value.

[AstahKhan]

Humans allways need something to blame, hense the past trend spanning from books-tv and now video games.

Is it realy hard to accept that some people arnt 100% in the head?  (As an example... My little sister has Autism... its noone's fault she has it it just is - alltho for people who go on killing spree's in schools and stuffs may not have a medical based condidion but their views of the world, and people in it are still not 100% in our view of what is "normal")

There are so many things out there that can make people snap.. with a highschool shooting in mind id have to say what may have caused them to do that would have been a combination of bad parenting, hell maybe some abuse/neglect from the parents,  combined with socialising issues and a hell of alot of anger....

But the main point is... People cant accept responsibilty for themselves or their actions, and its allmost human nature to blame "something" else

Hi btw

[Rockstone]

Social Libertarianism woohoo!

All forms of socialism are stupid. Punishing a company because of its size is stupid.

If the USA voted for John McCain, I think we would be in a much better situation right now.

[Sqarky]

If the USA voted for John McCain, I think we would be in a much better situation right now.

Didnt you read the post ahead of you?

Humans allways need something to blame...and its allmost human nature to blame "something" else

[~SJ~ Amarus]

All in all lets just hope governments don't get too happy with their ban sticks

[Digital Communist]

I don't think there is a chance the Bundestag would pass such a law. Even if they did (correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding of the relationship between the EU and its member states is hazy at best), I would hope that such a law would be challenged in their Supreme Court or even EU court.

Social Libertarianism woohoo!

All forms of socialism are stupid. Punishing a company because of its size is stupid.

If the USA voted for John McCain, I think we would be in a much better situation right now.

Socialism and Libertarianism are not compatible ideologies, no matter what anyone says. There are socialist states, like Sweden... and then there are Libertarian states... like Somalia