What happened to Balance!!!!!

[Psycho7]

Wow! The range weapons are making this unplayable. I love Battletech and Mechwarrior, but this is nothing like that.... Its who can get sit farther back with their artillery and click without getting bored first. I can't stand it anymore, do SOMETHING, either close range weapons need to do 1,000x so its worth dying 20x from 400 missiles for the one chance you can one-shot like 5 people... Other then that why would anyone use anything other then LRM boats and long toms and play sit in the corners. Or you could try running in with Cannons and Laser and have some fool who /could/ be near comatose clicking on his mouse when he sees a neat red circle.

I really like this mod and want to keep playing it, but you play games cause their fun, this is not its boring and at best frustrating... Maybe different game modes would change it but I doubt it until you make the auto-aim ranged weapons NOT 20x more effective then anything else in the game it seems like a lost cause. the 0.2.0 patch did nothing to help, LRM20s they still do more damage then any other weapon... Oh wait, nope a long tom, forgot. So now can we rename it MechWarrior: Extreme Cannons!

[Quantum_Peep]

First of all, let me clearly state that I have the highest respect for what the devs have achieved with MWLL and, yes, it's a beta and it's free, I know!

I  admit, I am guilty of bitching and bemoaning the LRM and BA business. And now they have added the LT, which makes it even worse for me.

Last night, I got killed by the LTs aplenty so I decided to do something about it: I went up against an LT twice, once with support, once without. The first time around, I was using an UAC Atlas and delivered two alpha strikes on the LT, only to have the LT one shot me. Second time I went in alone and alpha struck it with a Warhammer to get one-shotted once again...no surprise there. I am talking point blank here about both occasions.

Concerning the LRMs. We now have the AMS, which is a good thing, but I feel that because of the addition of LTs in 0.2.0 we've taken 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Basically, we have a mod that crams just about everything from the BT universe on comparatively small maps and with the current arena game mode, balance of any kind can never be achieved. My great hope is some kind of new game mode with missions and/or objectives and some kind of restriction, (Drop weight anyone?), where all all the weapon systems will actually shine and we may truly see proper combined arms tactics, which is what I think/hope the devs are trying to achieve in the end.

[Infinite o0o]

try coordinating with your teammates to take out the 'toms and LRM snipers. light mechs do one hell of a good job of penetrating enemy lines, and from what i hear, 'toms at least are pretty weak anyway.

[rgreat]

Attacking LT with assault or heavy mech is like some sort of suicide.

Use light mechs with big guns.

[Bowrrl]

Part of close range weaponry is getting close enough to use it. You can't just charge in head first and expect to do anything useful. Use cover, ECM/Passive, Jump Jets and all kinds of other tricks to get in close and brawling is very very effective, especially against the styles of play that you have mentioned.

Remember that a BA, the free asset, can easily take out a Long Tom or dedicated missileboat 1v1.

[KorJax]

And thanks to APC's it should be easier to get BA on the battlefield.

Best counter is obviously VTOL's/Aerospace.  But if that's not an option or you just don't like flying, then light mechs doing "hunting patrols" are you best bet.  C3 is invaluble for detecting a long tom as a team and it really pays off to scout.

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

Also remember, all assets will get reblanced as more version are released.  There's been some pretty heated discussion on what can be done about the TOMs.

That being said, my tip would be to use passive mode more, only going active to "ping" the enemy location for a split second to get a bearing. 

[Liberius]

I kinda agree with this...

I only kinda agree because I've found a personal solution to the problem and it works great. I simply choose to run around in a Raven or Puma(or a Scat if not on inferno) with MASC and GECM. This makes for quick and easy hit and run kills on LT's and LRM boats, more drawn out kills on LRM cougars, and you can even knock out LRM/Arrow catapults.With only 2-3 people doing this per team, the LRM and LT's largely go away, as players realize they can't play this style in peace.

 The problem comes later in the match when the assault/heavy 'mechs start rolling out. They move so slow that they make easy prey for Arrows. I think 2(of 2) Salvos of Arrows can down most heavy 'mechs and AMS doesn't work on them. I think AMS has done a lot to remove the problem of LRMs, Especially if you get 3 mechs together that all have AMS.

I actually see LT batteries as more of a solution to the missile boating problem, than a problem of its own. It's hard to hit moving targets at distance with a LT. Missile boats and Missile 'mechs are usually pop-tarting in one spot, so it makes the easy prey for LT batteries.

[Freakazoid]

I'd have to say this game certainly isn't casual friendly. You can't just jump in the mech you want and have fun. This new patch has brought about more emphasis on group effort and adapting to the battlefield.

Some say that is a good thing. I don't, but you'll find plenty of supporters.

[Wolfcat9]

The LT defense against BA is to park in a clump of trees and when the BA gets close the trees will launch themselves out and kill the BA. 


The noble sacrifice of these peaceful trees goes sadly unnoticed by those who could do something to prevent such an atrocity. 


...sorry... It's the cold medicine talking..... 

[Toth]

I kinda agree with this...

I only kinda agree because I've found a personal solution to the problem and it works great. I simply choose to run around in a Raven or Puma(or a Scat if not on inferno) with MASC and GECM. This makes for quick and easy hit and run kills on LT's and LRM boats, more drawn out kills on LRM cougars, and you can even knock out LRM/Arrow catapults.With only 2-3 people doing this per team, the LRM and LT's largely go away, as players realize they can't play this style in peace.

 The problem comes later in the match when the assault/heavy 'mechs start rolling out. They move so slow that they make easy prey for Arrows. I think 2(of 2) Salvos of Arrows can down most heavy 'mechs and AMS doesn't work on them. I think AMS has done a lot to remove the problem of LRMs, Especially if you get 3 mechs together that all have AMS.

I actually see LT batteries as more of a solution to the missile boating problem, than a problem of its own. It's hard to hit moving targets at distance with a LT. Missile boats and Missile 'mechs are usually pop-tarting in one spot, so it makes the easy prey for LT batteries.

Wow slow down, AMS should work perfectly fine on Arrow IVs and Tbolts both. Takes a number of shots, but it should be able to bring them down. If this is not happening, this needs to be repro'd for me as a bug.

[~SJ~ Griffin]

First of all, let me clearly state that I have the highest respect for what the devs have achieved with MWLL and, yes, it's a beta and it's free, I know!

I  admit, I am guilty of bitching and bemoaning the LRM and BA business. And now they have added the LT, which makes it even worse for me.

Last night, I got killed by the LTs aplenty so I decided to do something about it: I went up against an LT twice, once with support, once without. The first time around, I was using an UAC Atlas and delivered two alpha strikes on the LT, only to have the LT one shot me. Second time I went in alone and alpha struck it with a Warhammer to get one-shotted once again...no surprise there. I am talking point blank here about both occasions.

Concerning the LRMs. We now have the AMS, which is a good thing, but I feel that because of the addition of LTs in 0.2.0 we've taken 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Basically, we have a mod that crams just about everything from the BT universe on comparatively small maps and with the current arena game mode, balance of any kind can never be achieved. My great hope is some kind of new game mode with missions and/or objectives and some kind of restriction, (Drop weight anyone?), where all all the weapon systems will actually shine and we may truly see proper combined arms tactics, which is what I think/hope the devs are trying to achieve in the end.

Im sorry but i have an incredible hard time believing this post. I was in a long tom and an uller took me out in 5 or less shots. In a novacat, I one-shotted a LTA earlier today. You must have been doing something wrong for your atlas not being able to kill a LTA with two alpha-strikes. As to the topic of the OP, the devs will bring balance back, its a beta, and I am sure that this will not be the last time where there is balance lacking. Also realize that this patch was one of the first times the devs gave us a release date pretty far in advance and with release dates comes rushing no matter what. I'm not saying its wrong, i like release dates, but more patches will come and balance will be established, just gotta wait it out 

[Liberius]

I kinda agree with this...

I only kinda agree because I've found a personal solution to the problem and it works great. I simply choose to run around in a Raven or Puma(or a Scat if not on inferno) with MASC and GECM. This makes for quick and easy hit and run kills on LT's and LRM boats, more drawn out kills on LRM cougars, and you can even knock out LRM/Arrow catapults.With only 2-3 people doing this per team, the LRM and LT's largely go away, as players realize they can't play this style in peace.

 The problem comes later in the match when the assault/heavy 'mechs start rolling out. They move so slow that they make easy prey for Arrows. I think 2(of 2) Salvos of Arrows can down most heavy 'mechs and AMS doesn't work on them. I think AMS has done a lot to remove the problem of LRMs, Especially if you get 3 mechs together that all have AMS.

I actually see LT batteries as more of a solution to the missile boating problem, than a problem of its own. It's hard to hit moving targets at distance with a LT. Missile boats and Missile 'mechs are usually pop-tarting in one spot, so it makes the easy prey for LT batteries.

Wow slow down, AMS should work perfectly fine on Arrow IVs and Tbolts both. Takes a number of shots, but it should be able to bring them down. If this is not happening, this needs to be repro'd for me as a bug.

Hmmm...well someone asked in chat yesterday if AMS worked on Arrows, and someone else replied no. I went out in an arrow Catapult and had no problem hitting assault mechs, though I'm not entirely sure all of my targets had AMS, I did get hits every time. I haven't really tested it, I will test it with a friend momentarily.

[Raptor Khatib]

there are 4 ways to deal with LT's.

1) get your own Long Tom and blow him up.
2) get a fast mech/tank and get up close and personal (with close range weapons)
3) get a mech/tank with good long range weapons (LRMS, Gauss, ER LBL's, ER PPC's, or Arrows and anything of the like)
4) get an ASF/VTOL and take them out.

Just make sure you aim for the tank not the gun as the guns doesn't take much damage which I'm sure is a bug.

[Kadreal]

Big mechs are NOT the answer to Long Toms. In fact I must recommend against even fielding anything above a medium if the enemy is packing a good long tom or two. The warhammer with ECM isn't bad, but it is key that you not get seen on radar if you are slow or do not move much. But even if you are moving full speed in a heavy or atlas, it can be fairly easy to lands shells near you if you are just moving in a more or less straight path.