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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2010, 04:47:35 AM »
I feel the need to jump in here to state that I'm the one who's been giving martin my opinions on which stuff to get and why.

First off, it's widely known that Crysis: Warhead is not a game that's friendly towards the 5770's.  The thing is, in most other games, Crossfired 5770's do extremely well, often beating the 5870 and at much less cost.  Knowing martin's budget restraints, I felt that Crossfired 5770's give him the best bang for the buck overall: awesome performance in every game, low power consumption even in Crossfire, and the cards themselves are tiny.

I'd take great performance in every game over awesome performance in one game any day, and the lower power consumption will save him money in the long run.  Because the cards are so small, they can fit in nearly every case and don't impede airflow, keeping the entire rig cooler, which is always good.

Here's a few articles for reference.  Note that the Warhead results are much the same, but for most other games, the Crossfired 5770's perform closer to the 5870, and in many cases, dominate it. The main exceptions are, as stated, Crysis: Warhead and DoW II.

1) Anandtech Article.  You can read the whole article if you want, but the Benchmarks start on page 5
2) Guru3d Article (sgnl05's article).  Again, you can read the whole article if you want, but the Benchmarks start on page 14
3) Tom's Hardware Article.  Benchmarks on page 5.  This article doesn't have 5870 results, but it still shows how the 2x 5770's stack up against a 5850.

If he had the budget for it, I'd definitely say get a 5850, 5870, or even a 5970, but he doesn't.  The 5770's are the current kings of mid-range budget builds; this may change when fermi is released and prices drop, but he'd still get an awesome system out of the deal.

That being said, thanks for helping out with local stores.  I've got no idea what's what in Australia, so your input will hopefully be a great help.
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2010, 09:45:03 AM »
I've never had two cards, but I do know that if you have them, you can run into problems. Problems like one of those cards completely slacking off in some games leading to half performance. For that reason, I am prepared to pay more for a single card solution. I've said this just so you know everything that is involved, so you can make your decision.

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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2010, 06:14:14 PM »
As for you getting comparable performance to a 5870 with 2 5770s, where are you hearing this? Not saying you're wrong, but the benchmark I'm looking at suggests you'd be getting the same performance as a 5850 and below that of a 5870. This benchmark does suggest you'd get better performance with the two 5770s than a 5850, but the game they're using to test is some weird boat game (first benchmark was Crysis warhead if you didn't notice) so who knows what to make of that.

I'm just going by Anandtech, http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658

I wasn't saying the performance is exactly the same, just in the same ballpark, and much more consistent in games with spotty multi-GPU support.

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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2010, 03:55:20 AM »
any update on the build?
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2010, 03:57:48 AM »
Lol, yeah, thanks again for all the great help, I've learnt a lot in this endeavour, but it's fallen through.  I figured out I realistically don't have the funding, my parents are opposed to it (and I'm currently living with them without paying board etc...) and the computer I've got, despite it's mediocre performance at times, does what I need it to do...  So, sorry if anyone feels as if they've wasted time contributing, but I took away a lot from this discussion for when I do eventually build this or another computer :)  Thank you one and all  ;D
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2010, 04:04:01 AM »
well for what its worth save up your money and wait when nvidia's fermi card comes out. prices then i bet will drop on the ati/nvidia video cards.
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2010, 02:46:46 AM »
Or, get a 9800GT/GTS 250/4850 for ~100USD, and together with overclocking your CPU your current rig will have a second lease on life, easily.

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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2010, 06:19:32 AM »
Or, get a 9800GT/GTS 250/4850 for ~100USD, and together with overclocking your CPU your current rig will have a second lease on life, easily.


The GTS250 is a updated 9800GTX, not a 9800GT, but yes, I agree. A video card upgrade and alittle OC'ing on his E7300, his computer can max out crysis. Hell, I built a rig for a friend with a e5200 I OC'ed to 3ghz and a GTX260, and it ran crysis on all high setting @ 1920*1200 resolution.
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2010, 09:11:29 AM »
Mmmm... interesting idea's.... and I'm running an E7400, but that shouldn't make a difference... right?  ???  And what kind of OC'ing would be best?  What effects would it have in regards to cooling, life span etc?  My warranty on the system runs out soon, so may try it :)
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2010, 02:45:01 PM »
Your e7400 can handle atleast a 1ghz OC without hurting it any from all the OC'ing results I've seen of the wolfdale dual cores. The first thing to consider though is if OC'ing is even a option for you. Is your system a prebuilt or a custom computer. Most prebuilts don't allow OC'ing in thier bios. If this is the case with your computer, to be able to OC, you'll need to replace your motherboard. Replacing the motherboard in a prebuilt system affectively makes that system a custom computer. If you decide to go this route, I would recommend either of these two boards. These are the best socket 775 motherboards for OC'ing currently available and are known for being able to run FSB speeds of 500 and more. Also note that you may need a new case for your computer to use a aftermarket motherboard, but you'll be able to use the hard drive, CD/DVD drives, CPU, graphics cards, ram and PSU.

lower price, no crossfire support- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372
higher price, offers crossfire support- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358


As far as cooling goes, I would recommend getting a good aftermarket heatsink, but don't go buying the most expensive heatsink you can find, you won't need that much. This is plenty heatsink for any socket 775 CPU, quad or dual core- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233012

As far as doing any actual OC'ing, before you even attemp it, I suggest reading though this- http://forums.techpowerup.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2010, 03:50:47 AM »
Also note that you may need a new case for your computer to use a aftermarket motherboard, but you'll be able to use the hard drive, CD/DVD drives, CPU, graphics cards, ram and PSU.

As far as cooling goes, I would recommend getting a good aftermarket heatsink, but don't go buying the most expensive heatsink you can find, you won't need that much. This is plenty heatsink for any socket 775 CPU, quad or dual core- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233012

As far as doing any actual OC'ing, before you even attemp it, I suggest reading though this- http://forums.techpowerup.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13

Or, if his case is mATX (like most OEM's are), he can just get an mATX mainboard which are also cheaper on average.

For overclocking without mainboard OC settings support, there is software like Clockgen.


I would suggest: trying to see if Clockgen/other software works on your rig. If not, replace the mainboard (post back here for suggestions). E7400 can OC OK even with a stock cooler. Use software like Speedfan to see if your CPU touches ~70C under load while running a CPU-stress software (like Prime95 or Linpack). Again, for further info either google it or post back here.

Good luck, and may high FPS be with you!

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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2010, 12:12:53 AM »
also you can overclock your video card by using evga's precision (yes i take the easy route..) or ati's video card overclocking utility,

just make sure to look for the video card model thats one step faster from the same companythan your current card use that video card's stats as a starting settings for

your card and run the fan on the video card 100% to be safe..(also make sure to use video cards that are warrantied EVEN if you over clock..evga is a good example)

just dont go crazy with the overclocking and small adjustments untill it slightly glitches and then move the settings back so it is stable.

i have done this to my tried and true sli 8800 gtx's and overclocked to a close aproximition to 8800 ultra's (roughly from a nvidia 250 to a hair slow 9800 gtx)

most of all make slight adjustments and make sure you have a warranty on because there is a chance it will fry your video card, SO YOU HAVE BEEN FORWARNED AND I AM

NOT RESPOSABILE IF YOU BLOW UP YOUR COMPUTER, OVERCLOCK AT YOUR OWN RISK! ..mkay?
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2010, 04:46:12 PM »
Warranties do not cover you accidently frying your GC/CPU/RAM etc by overclocking.

Sadly.
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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2010, 05:26:01 PM »
Warranties do not cover you accidently frying your GC/CPU/RAM etc by overclocking.

Sadly.

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Re: Building a New Rig, Have Budget, Need Advice!
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2010, 06:57:22 PM »
Warranties do not cover you accidently frying your GC/CPU/RAM etc by overclocking.

Sadly.

heh, Crucail RMA'ed my RAM after I told them I ran it OC'ed for a year. EVGA will honor their warranties reguardless of any OC'ing you may do to thier products.
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