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Offline Xitix

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Hmmm, banned?
« on: April 01, 2010, 01:38:35 AM »
Help!  I was on matchbox #3 today and it booted me.  When I tried to log back in it said that I was banned from the server!  My UN is XitiX--looking forward to some help.  Thanks in advance!

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2010, 01:44:15 AM »
I don't know how it is set up but I know you can get kicked for high pings...

reason is,  it is hard to kill you if your not where I think you are..

other reasons might be violating server rules..    check them at thelivinglegends.net..

ie, ba camping enemy hanger.. and such.
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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 01:57:30 PM »
Help!  I was on matchbox #3 today and it booted me.  When I tried to log back in it said that I was banned from the server!  My UN is XitiX--looking forward to some help.  Thanks in advance!

You were banned because I observed you changing your name multiple times using TLL in your name. You already posted on TLL forums asking for the ban to be lifted and you received a response there. This was meant to be a kick in the first place, but during the scramble to stay ahead of your multiple name changes the ban button was hit instead.

You claimed that you were just trying to figure out how to change your name in game, so we will be nice and lift the ban, but personally I hardly believe that line of defence. I understand someone changing their name to something silly while trying to figure out the name change, but why if you were just "figuring out how" to change your name did you end up with TLL in your name on multiple name changes?

For future warning, if this behaviour is observed again on our servers the ban will not be lifted a second time. We have far too little time to deal with situations, big or small, so we resolve issues with quick and decisive action.

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2010, 02:28:34 PM »
You've been struck out!
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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2010, 08:59:42 PM »
I Know most of you know this, but for those new to the genre, its customary to be kicked or banned if you are wearing a clans tags without being entitled to.
Its essentially putting on their uniform without permission, and its a big No No

You need to have applied to and been accepted by the clan and put on the public roster before you wear their tags, once you are on the public roster, then hosts can, if they are unsure if you are wearing invalid clan tags go to that clans site, and check the roster confirming your active status.
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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 10:18:23 PM »
of course you know there is the off chance another unit's got the same tags, but they stand for something different. [DC] could be Draconis Combine, or like Death Clan, but in this case, it probably isn't such.  Also, adding a clan your apping to's (not accepted yet) tag will probably mean you won't ever be wearing that tag.

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 11:40:28 PM »
You claimed that you were just trying to figure out how to change your name in game, so we will be nice and lift the ban, but personally I hardly believe that line of defence. I understand someone changing their name to something silly while trying to figure out the name change, but why if you were just "figuring out how" to change your name did you end up with TLL in your name on multiple name changes?

Thanks for lifting the ban.  I wasn't aware that the TLL tag was a clan or I wouldn't have used it--just trying to show some support for the project.

I wasn't cheating, I wasn't harassing anyone, I was just learning to change my name in the console.  You must have scrambled pretty fast to ban me though--the total time from me opening my console to being kicked and banned was <30 seconds.  I won't tell you how to run your servers, but it seems like there may be some bans happening where a warning may suffice, and that may save you some time in the long run.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2010, 11:56:01 PM by Xitix »

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 12:02:53 AM »
of course you know there is the off chance another unit's got the same tags, but they stand for something different. [DC] could be Draconis Combine, or like Death Clan, but in this case, it probably isn't such.  Also, adding a clan your apping to's (not accepted yet) tag will probably mean you won't ever be wearing that tag.

yeah that can happen, although in my experience if the initials are the same, the uniform is changed so its unique ie [SF] (SF) {SF}, this allows players to distinguish between the different clans.
Where there is a dispute over who owns the uniform, its usually settled by the date of the clan forum's inception /creation date, ie the oldest one owns the uniform.

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 12:11:33 AM »
It's best to just create a profile in Crysis with the name you want in game, and that's it - every server you join, you'll be called like your profile. No need to rename yourself everytime :>

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 01:56:19 AM »
of course you know there is the off chance another unit's got the same tags, but they stand for something different. [DC] could be Draconis Combine, or like Death Clan, but in this case, it probably isn't such.  Also, adding a clan your apping to's (not accepted yet) tag will probably mean you won't ever be wearing that tag.

yeah that can happen, although in my experience if the initials are the same, the uniform is changed so its unique ie [SF] (SF) {SF}, this allows players to distinguish between the different clans.
Where there is a dispute over who owns the uniform, its usually settled by the date of the clan forum's inception /creation date, ie the oldest one owns the uniform.

Sometimes clans are in different leagues and you'll randomly see someone with the same tag as you, and so there usually isn't any kind of change.  Especially if they're the same IS House or Clan in that other league.

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 03:26:47 AM »
we will be nice and lift the ban

Hey guys,  sorry to keep bumping this but it still isn't letting me back on.

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 05:34:26 AM »
i applauded you simply because i couldn't smack you
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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 06:49:36 AM »
i applauded you simply because i couldn't smack you

Not really sure what that has to do with this conversation, but okay.

Yeah, I tried a few times tonight and it's still giving me grief.  The other official servers work fine--everything but NJ  ;)

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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 02:56:58 PM »
In defense of the OP, he's not the only one to blatantly assume that the clan "The Living Legends (TLL)" and the developers of the mod "Mechwarrior Living Legends (MWLL)" are one and the same and to confuse the TLL servers as being official MWLL game servers.  It doesn't help that some of the TLL members have the 'developer' ribbon in their forum avatars as they belong in both camps.
 
The biggest concern here is that new forum members may read the forums and assume that the opinion of a TLL member is the opinion of the developers and choose to not voice their opinions as strongly in a thread where a TLL member has strongly voiced an oppposing opinion .
 
I'm not being antagonistic as I like TLL and find their pilots to be skillful and their ethics to be solid, but figured this is as good a place as any to make the distinction.  A new player is going to view the mod in a very different light if he thinks TLL and MWLL are one and the same and having the same authority and influence over the direction of the mod.

Just imagine the unease of the other organizations, if a sports team had a uniform that looked remarkably similar to the uniform of the referees and a team name like FIFU instead of FIFA or NFO instead of NFL, and in fact some of those players are actually referees and had a hand in crafting the rules of the game.
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Re: Hmmm, banned?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 04:31:25 PM »
TLL officially has only 1 Dev that doesn't even wear his TLL tags on these forums and is not involved in the creation of the game in the direct sense that you think, as he is the server guru for all MWLL information.

The other person that is highlighted as more than just a regular forums goer is KitLightning, who simply is listed as a moderator of the forums and not as a Dev.

We do understand that some people can be confused by the unit's name, but we quickly correct any misconceptions as they arise. This theory of common misconception has one hole in it in relation to the OP, which is that he knew to post on the actual TLL forums, and then decided to come over to the MWLL forums to continue griping.

The simple fact is that ANY person that has played more than a single multiplayer game knows that you never change your name to match the server, as this would cause confusion that the individual is a server admin, and his actions with our tags could negatively affect our unit's reputation.

So I guess here comes the spotlight. Why don't you explain to us all XitiX why it is that you decided you wanted to impersonate one of our members, regardless of whatever misconception you had about our unit or our server? I mean the only reason I can come up with is to misrepresent yourself as a server administrator, which is actually worthy of a permanent ban.

And to the others that feel the action was overkill, ask yourself how many times you joined a server and renamed yourself to match the tags of those that owned the server. Then ask yourselves why it is that you don't do that, using only common sense as a guide.

Another question for XitiX:

I wasn't cheating, I wasn't harassing anyone, I was just learning to change my name in the console.  You must have scrambled pretty fast to ban me though--the total time from me opening my console to being kicked and banned was <30 seconds.  I won't tell you how to run your servers, but it seems like there may be some bans happening where a warning may suffice, and that may save you some time in the long run.

So you have no clue that we are a Unit, that we do not represent MWLL, and whatever else you want to claim, but you know that there have been multiple other situations that mirror yours? There are multiple "bans" that are happening? You seriously need to get a grip on reality and for the love of all that is holy, stop posting your gripe about being banned from our servers that we pay for on the MWLL boards. You know exactly where you need to post your complaint and until it is in the correct place we will not even investigate the issue at hand.

Also as a note, I have a netbook that is connected to the Rcon when I am playing on a server. So while I quickly banned you, it was because all I had to do was reload Rcon to get your name and then ban. Bans are very rare though, and as originally stated the ban was actually a mistaken click on the tiny "b" which is right next to the tiny "k".

Oh and by the way, our ban list sits at 4. If that is banning too frequently since the release of the beta then you have clearly never been a server admin.

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