80,000 c-bills

[Profane Arbiter]

Assuming we don't fly, use crappy IS PPC's, nor lrm's and we want to upgrade once we hit the 80,000 cbill rank, so far as I can tell we have two options:

- one of three Oro variants
- Thanatos Prime

75% of the time I'm coming out of a Puma C (I'll occasionally select Bushy B or Catapult B at the 70k mark) but I generally just stick with the Puma at least until the 90k rank. Despite having less armor than either of the 80k options, it's faster, has a stealthy profile, and boating 6 CERMBLs allows it to do very hard hitting, consistent, and stealthy damage.

Would anyone select either the Oro or the Thanatos by comparison? Neither has firepower that seems all that impressive for the money...though the Thanatos does have some nice electronics. It seems to be it could stand to increase its hitting power (maybe lose the jump jets for more firepower).

Thoughts?

[dCK-Ad_Hominem]

We need the Stormcrow or even better Black Hawk. That's what my thought is. For 90k you at least get the Hellbringer A which does good support fire. Anyhow I wish for a good medium clan mech for this money which we, at the time, do not have yet.

[Colonel Drego]

An Oro can wreck you shit pretty handily if it's being properly used.

[Profane Arbiter]

We need the Stormcrow or even better Black Hawk.

Agreed

An Oro can wreck you shit pretty handily if it's being properly used.

I wouldn't dispute that, but the question would be, would it wreck my shit better than a Puma C?

I can't help but feel that there's insufficient shit wrecking going on with the Oro for the money.

[snooggums]

That includes the UAC20 Oro right? If so I would go with that, it's a decent support unit if you don't want to just use the 70k mechs for a little longer or go cheap BA to get some cash for a pricier ride.

[xInVicTuSx]

I use crappy IS PPCs... >.>
You know CBT Thanatos just sucks ass, it just does.
I miss old Thanatos, the MW4 Thanatos, THATS RIGHT MW4 NIGGAS, it was funner and more fitting and much more effective. CBT Than is just a halfass laser mech that has bleh heat, terrible damage capabilities, and poor range.
Now that the Hgauss is only for lights and some mediums (the low refire makes it poor vs heavies because you get such slow DPS), the only one somewhat worth taking is the UAC20 which still has dire heat complications if the battle doesn't end quickly. The others are just trash. I feel strongly about this because I try to IS pure tech whenever I can and I never ever take the Than because it just sucks. I end up sticking with mediums until I have enough for warhammer or awesome, I really don't like the Catapult prime anymore either, take off the ELRM so i can stay in the field more than 5 minutes.

Right now I'm quite concerned with the IS mechs overall, with 0.3.0 the gap between IS and Clan tech has become troublesome, IS PPC comes to mind, as does Osiris armor, Thanatos variants, Atlas variants(oh god what happened to you Atlas?) and a couple of the strange Mauler variants just to name a few. And I know clan heavies are the shit and all, but why is the Madcat and Novacat so much more popular than the MKII? Are they a bit overkill on weapons?
Either way I'm sick of trying to fight legions of Madcats and Novacats with a Twin PPC, LRM5, LBX20 Atlas that has trouble knocking out clan mediums. A bit of a price lowering on a couple of the warhammer variants would help, the fact I can afford the warhammer at the same time as the awesome makes me pause. The only major threats to heavier clan mechs are the Mauler C, Atlas C(which really Isn't THAT good), Awesome Prime (which is probably the best one), and the Gauss Mauler. I get the feeling the Atlas is stuck back in the 30th Century....That isnt gonna cut it when we start seeing Bloodasps roll out, I know the Fafnir is on the way and that will really help in the Assault killer category but the Assault variants need to be looked at carefully. The Thanatos needs to be the tank of the IS heavies with the Marauder being the lighter and the Warhammer a go between. Right now it just doesnt have the punch it needs, at least for more distraction value than a couple lasers. 

[SquareSphere }12thVR{]

I love the Oro but the main problem is that the sub 80k ones are all "run up in their grills" and shoot variants. 

On cooler maps i almost always run a Cata A.  I actually like the PPCs on it, these plus the fast recycle pulse make it great for taking out BAs with out sacrificing damage to mech capabilities.

[dCK-Ad_Hominem]

The only major threats to heavier clan mechs are the Mauler C, Atlas C(which really Isn't THAT good), Awesome Prime (which is probably the best one), and the Gauss Mauler. I get the feeling the Atlas is stuck back in the 30th Century....That isnt gonna cut it when we start seeing Bloodasps roll out, I know the Fafnir is on the way and that will really help in the Assault killer category but the Assault variants need to be looked at carefully. The Thanatos needs to be the tank of the IS heavies with the Marauder being the lighter and the Warhammer a go between. Right now it just doesnt have the punch it needs, at least for more distraction value than a couple lasers.

Though I see your point I still have to say calm down. The reason why you see more Timber Wolves and Novacats is for the reason that the Clans just have one assault mech by now and not everybody likes it. Also, you do have a point talking about the firepower of those chassis, but anyways, their prices are VERY close together.

[lessergod]

The Bushy C varient is a good variant: its like Scat on crack... Med Lasers, LBX20 and SSRM6's... good machine, very underrated.  if it could carry a ton of extra ammo for the LBX20 it would be even better.

[Profane Arbiter]

The Bushy C varient is a good variant: its like Scat on crack... Med Lasers, LBX20 and SSRM6's... good machine, very underrated.  if it could carry a ton of extra ammo for the LBX20 it would be even better.

That's the B, it's got small pulse lasers rather than medium lasers, and is available at the 70k rank. An extra ton for ammo would be a nice addition though I agree. 

[Zakatak]

I fully support this. I think there should be a Vulture variant available as well at 80k mark. My computer usually crashes and ends the game before I can get any decent heavy mechs.

Also, VTOL with 2x DualSSRM4's please?

[Spanish Inquisition]

We need the Stormcrow or even better Black Hawk. That's what my thought is. For 90k you at least get the Hellbringer A which does good support fire. Anyhow I wish for a good medium clan mech for this money which we, at the time, do not have yet.

lolwut You want another medium laser boat? Because that's what the Nova is. It's an Adder with more armour, lots of medium lasers, jump jets, and limited torso turn.

Stormcrow on the other hand... god I have a hard on now. That thing would rock in about all of its configurations. I just hope the MWLL team decides to put the canon amount of heatsinks on it.

[~SJ~Azov]

Right now I'm quite concerned with the IS mechs overall, with 0.3.0 the gap between IS and Clan tech has become troublesome, IS PPC comes to mind, as does Osiris armor, Thanatos variants, Atlas variants(oh god what happened to you Atlas?) and a couple of the strange Mauler variants just to name a few. And I know clan heavies are the shit and all, but why is the Madcat and Novacat so much more popular than the MKII? Are they a bit overkill on weapons?
Either way I'm sick of trying to fight legions of Madcats and Novacats with a Twin PPC, LRM5, LBX20 Atlas that has trouble knocking out clan mediums. A bit of a price lowering on a couple of the warhammer variants would help, the fact I can afford the warhammer at the same time as the awesome makes me pause. The only major threats to heavier clan mechs are the Mauler C, Atlas C(which really Isn't THAT good), Awesome Prime (which is probably the best one), and the Gauss Mauler. I get the feeling the Atlas is stuck back in the 30th Century....That isnt gonna cut it when we start seeing Bloodasps roll out, I know the Fafnir is on the way and that will really help in the Assault killer category but the Assault variants need to be looked at carefully. The Thanatos needs to be the tank of the IS heavies with the Marauder being the lighter and the Warhammer a go between. Right now it just doesnt have the punch it needs, at least for more distraction value than a couple lasers.

And this is why the Clan Invasion devastated the Innersphere.

[SIL]

I'm going to agree with invictus here on the Thanatos.  I find myself often straying away from it when I'm in that cbill range and pulling out another whacker or maybe a partisan, sometimes an uziel.  I cannot justify buying a Thanatos with the wide-large look that makes for easy targeting, the severe lack of decent weapon systems, and armor.  It just can't get it done from my experience, so I've stopped buying it for the most part.

Something else to fill the gap would be greatly appreciated.

Also, the madcat and novacats are popular due to the power and sniping ability of the large beam laser.  Point and click.

[dCK-Ad_Hominem]

lolwut You want another medium laser boat? Because that's what the Nova is. It's an Adder with more armour, lots of medium lasers, jump jets, and limited torso turn.

Though the main Focus of the Black Hawk is lasers it can also carry weapons of every other category, making it a versatile and lethal mech. If you want SSRMS ask for the Arctic Wolf Prime .