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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2010, 11:00:30 PM »
The Bushy C varient is a good variant: its like Scat on crack... Med Lasers, LBX20 and SSRM6's... good machine, very underrated.  if it could carry a ton of extra ammo for the LBX20 it would be even better.

That's the B, it's got small pulse lasers rather than medium lasers, and is available at the 70k rank. An extra ton for ammo would be a nice addition though I agree.  ;)

Yah, your right its the B variant, I always forget Prime is the 1st one...

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2010, 03:37:19 AM »
lolwut You want another medium laser boat? Because that's what the Nova is. It's an Adder with more armour, lots of medium lasers, jump jets, and limited torso turn.

Though the main Focus of the Black Hawk is lasers it can also carry weapons of every other category, making it a versatile and lethal mech. If you want SSRMS ask for the Arctic Wolf Prime :P.

True enough good sir, but it'll be little more than a medium weight Adder/Mad Dog/Nova Cat with the weapons concentrated in the arms and likely specialized in either lasers/PPCs or missiles/autocannons.

At least we're not seeing the Supernova.
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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2010, 10:03:17 AM »
Stormcrow B I think, from CBT: 6 CERMBL, 1 CUAC20 = Murder-machine.

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2010, 10:10:55 AM »
Just for you information, we do not longer give prices to the different variants, they are computed depending on base platform cost + armor + weapons + equipment installed. So if we wanted to get something into the 80-90k range we would have to change the loadouts of some of the variants.
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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2010, 10:37:52 AM »
Or change some weapons characteristics to make them cheaper.
ERLL with 900m range instead of 850 looks pretty real.
But ERML with 800m range instead of (!!!) 500m is too much overpowered.

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2010, 10:42:57 AM »
Or change some weapons characteristics to make them cheaper.

NO.

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2010, 11:00:04 AM »
What? Ok, maybe not all weapons must be changed, but ERML's range just must to be reduced... I think

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2010, 11:53:06 AM »
lolwut You want another medium laser boat? Because that's what the Nova is. It's an Adder with more armour, lots of medium lasers, jump jets, and limited torso turn.

Though the main Focus of the Black Hawk is lasers it can also carry weapons of every other category, making it a versatile and lethal mech. If you want SSRMS ask for the Arctic Wolf Prime :P.

True enough good sir, but it'll be little more than a medium weight Adder/Mad Dog/Nova Cat with the weapons concentrated in the arms and likely specialized in either lasers/PPCs or missiles/autocannons.

At least we're not seeing the Supernova.

Well, considering that the Novacats we are seeing here basically do the job a Supernova is intended to do I agree with you. If it weren't for that I would very much welcome the Supernova for it's JJs, massive armor and heat capabilities. As for the variants I also have to agree, but with a little undertone of disappointment. Some variants (the section that follows is to be understood as my opinion and feeling and not as criticism towards the devs) are just too experimental and others lag key features. If I could I would abandon the small laser of the Hellbringer C immediately and see if I can give it an ecm instead for example.

It would be of some advantage to include the mechlab as soon as possible, because either way there probably will have some re-balancing to be done once it is released to avoid some overpowered killer combinations. I know that there is no intend to release the mechlab in the near future, but I would still like to see it for it would enhance gameplay and make it less foreseeable which mech the opponent fields. Also would the release of a key feature be probably helpfull to the future development since then it would be a big unknown factor less one would have to worry about.

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2010, 01:18:21 PM »
I'm also always at a loss around this level. I usually just pilot lights (Owens with SSRM6, I'll try Puma now) until I can afford shadowcats, and then use them until I can afford real heavies.
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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2010, 02:12:44 PM »
Well make some magic pixie dust change then because the Warhammer and the Awesome being in the same price bracket is just stupid from a gameplay point of view. The Catapult and Thanatos should fill the 80k range(which at least the prime does even though its pretty crappy) the Warhammer fill with 90k range and the Awesome fill the 100k range. By "filling" I mean have at least two of the variants (preferably the bread and butter ones) in that range while the other too can be cheaper or more expensive. The Awesome does this and that helps make it awesome. If the Warhammer prime was 89k rather than 91k that would make a HUGE difference to its strategic use. Take off the BAP perhaps?

The Bushwacker is a good example of this at 62k,57k,66k,70k Filling the 70k category and having one more expensive and one less expensive. This system has been followed well except toward the heavy category, just around 80-90k, which end game is going to be where many people are.

As for the Atlas, I think it just needs some long range weaponry, someone said on these forums once that later designs had to have long range weapons because the option of closing range was no longer available towards the clan invasion times. When you look at it now, it has none, there is the Hgauss, the LBX20 Prime, the RAC, and the UAC. All of those require close range and most people take UAC , which has no electronics but nice weapons. I say replace the LBX20 with Gauss again to give it punch at all ranges. The LRM5s I suppose make sense, they don't really do anything but neither did the LRM10s to be honest. IS PPC NEEDS full damage but that is another thread. If those changes are made I will consider Atlas Prime worth taking, the RAC variant however is roflworthless. I would actually like the Hguass to have a pulse laser or two, take the LRMs back down to 5 again because this one has DPS and self defense problems close range.

BTW: I love how both in game and on the wiki the Awesome prime has the fabled ERLPL.

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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2010, 09:08:30 PM »
As for the Atlas, I think it just needs some long range weaponry, someone said on these forums once that later designs had to have long range weapons because the option of closing range was no longer available towards the clan invasion times.

While the idea of a brawler-only Mech is a cool one, it just doesn't work in practice most of the time, and most chassis have at least one variant that breaks the paradigm of the others if there is one.

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the RAC variant however is roflworthless.

RACs are worthless... they can kill, what, VTOLs (given time) and BA? ::)

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I would actually like the Hguass to have a pulse laser or two, take the LRMs back down to 5 again because this one has DPS and self defense problems close range.

YES. LRMs are kind of useless on any Mech that has a heavy Gauss rifle. If they weren't a permanent feature of the chassis I'd say just remove them. Plus, pulse lasers are pretty rad. I kill so many BA when I have them. 8)
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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2010, 09:22:50 PM »
There definitely needs to be alot more in the 70k range, hopefully mediums will fill this out. Also, I have issues with prices of certain mechs, like the Loki prime, which is in no way competitive with the madcat A regardless of BAP/ECM and the speed boost, the firepower and armour just don't match.

Overall, I think the system is good, but a little manual tweaking for balance sake would go a long way.


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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 09:44:55 PM »
I guess this really boils down to there only being one Clan medium. Can a brother get a Stormcrow?
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Re: 80,000 c-bills
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2010, 11:03:47 PM »
the RAC variant however is roflworthless.
RACs are worthless... they can kill, what, VTOLs (given time) and BA? ::)


Not so actually, the RAC5 Bushwacker is complete beast, I have eaten Vultures, scats, Oros, and all light mechs with a few seconds continuous fire. It is instant death to BA and does good damage to Vtols. I hope they don't plan to get rid of this variant, even though I feel its a probably overweight. I'm not sure why it is so cheap tbh, it should probably be the most expensive one from its effectiveness.
In fact the RAC5 Demolisher may need a change, perhaps 3RAC5s? I've found little justification in buying it over the BushRacker.
RAC2 is for BA and scaring off aircraft mainly.
The whole idea of RACs doesn't fit the atlas. Unless it was a RAC10, that would rape! XD
All in all the Atlas needs a rework, the only thing it is good at is tanking, and even struggles with that because it is still easy to just hit the head.
Atlas C is only one worth keeping, otherwise there is nothing it can do better than the Awesome or Mauler or even the Demolishers. 

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