0.9.2 Public Testing Event

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haarp

Our first ever Public Testing Event has started! This event gives you, our community, a chance to test and preview what to expect in the next update - and there's a lot of stuff to test. You can follow the steps in the following image to request access. This event will run until Monday.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357256214402564097/416650295272144907/unknown.png

Make sure to BACK UP YOUR MWLL FOLDER BEFORE DOING ANYTHING RELATED TO THE PTE!!

You can check out the changelog here: https://mechlivinglegends.net/staging/game/Mods/MWLL/Documentation/changelog.txt

Glarrg

Feedback here?

Why were all PPC vtols removed? The hawkmoth D was literally the only brawling vtol that worked

Glarrg

Also argus arms still have holes, unless they can tank 6 volleys of 4er mediums at a standstill and not fall off after the pilot has been fighting and bailed out

SnowGibbon

Glarrg "After the pilot has bailed out"

You mean you were blasting an empty mech? Unoccupied vehicles will desync to hell and back, especially on the arms so there's little validity in their hitboxes

fire-hound

if the Argus was shut down when shoot at -it is out of scope for bug reports (a known bug).

RickHunter

On Oasis, I noticed that Thumper shells were not being shot down by the main base turrets. I was able to shell and hit vtols on their landing pad.

Knightcrawler

Sounds like a blast. But as a BA player, I have to ask - have any of the bugs been fixed? Every time I go to play a new version and ask that, everyone just optimistically assumes they have been and I am disappointed to find out they are not. I remember there being 3 important ones, but the most important two are:

1) C8 does not stick to any vehicles or the back of Fafnirs. This was a work-around for a C8 bug that caused servers to crash, but it had a big impact on game balance and was never fixed.
2) Exiting an APC and switching grenade types without throwing out your first C8 (giving away your position and possibly damaging friendlies) will cause you to be unable to switch your weapons.
3) I think #3 was the continued persistence of self-damage from missiles even when there are no hitboxes anywhere near you. A possible simple work-around for this would be to give BA SSRMs a 5-meter minimum range.

With the changes to SSRMs that have been put in place recently, the BA has been nerfed again. I'm really not sure I want to jump in and play when the BA suffering from all these issues.

haarp

Knightcrawler None of that has been fixed. BA is not getting a lot of love at all, fixes to it have been deferred indefinitely. Ideally we would adopt my BA suggestion, which I've just reposted from the old forum here.

DeimosEvotec

Knightcrawler 1) C8 not sticking to the backs of Fafnirs, do you have any more details on that because C8 should stick to mechs excluding their legs.
2) It also breaks throwing away weapons and picking up weapons and 2 handed weapons which leads me to my educated guess that spawning on apcs fails to initialize something about the offhand correctly but I don't know what or where it breaks.
3) BA SRM already have a 10m minimum range but that doesn't seem to prevent all cases of self-damage.
4) What SSRM changes are you talking about? The BA SRM are their own weapon with no connection to the vehicle (S)SRMs.

Knightcrawler

DeimosEvotec
1) I could try to make some videos. The Fafnir thing both bothers me and doesn't both me. It bothers me because they have so much armor that when you rule out their back, it takes more than a full load of C8 to kill them. But it doesn't bother me all that much because they're already giant BA landing pads (although this actually makes it easy for friends to shoot you off of them). I am sure I took a video once upon a time, but I can try it again sometime. It's a pretty simple repro. The bad thing is grenades not sticking to vehicles, and it's one of the reasons why tanks seem kind of OP at times; used to be that infantry was a good counter to Demo/Morrigu spam (this seemed intentional). Then they added Hull, and then this workaround was introduced... You can't even land on vehicles because since their vision of their top is unimpeded, they can always shoot you. So now Demos/Morrigus actually hard counter BA instead of the other way around.

2) Yeah. It seems only the most experienced players know about the bug, and I've seen it confuse and frustrate new players. Either way, it's a good way to give away your APC's position. I'd love a fix.

3) Was this introduced recently? This wasn't the case in the last version I played. I'll download the latest version and walk up to a wall and blast it with an SSRM to confirm. This bug is less frequent than it used to be (probably because of faster, more stable servers), but it's horrible when it happens. It wouldn't be acceptable if other assets could severely damage or even kill themselves randomly in one click.

4) I was talking about the change that makes SSRMs not wire-guided when un-locked anymore.

DeimosEvotec

Knightcrawler 1) and 2) are difficult to fix and 1) will have a dedicated discussion over the 3 methods to work around it.
3) at least since 0.8, it still happens sometimes but it's rarer.
4) ba srm are still wire-guided when un-locked, nothing changed about that. Only vehicle ssrm got changed but as I said those are separate weapons in the game files.

SnowGibbon

DeimosEvotec I think he means as in its easier to blast BAs with vehicle SSRMs owing to their tighter spread now. Not sure I find it such a big difference but then again I have no trouble slagging em with entirely unsuitable equipment anyway

Knightcrawler

Nah, Deimos got it right, Gibbon. And a tighter spread on mech/vehicle missiles would make it harder for them to kill BA. You only need one near-hit to kill. There is no need to concentrate a volley.

Edit

Maybe make it so that when you spawn at an APC, you do not start with an C8? Or make it so that nobody ever spawns with C8?

Knightcrawler

I am also going to point out that the C8 on vehicles causing server crashes, which was worked around by disabling stickiness on vehicles, was a bug introduced in like 0.6 or so. If you find my original bug report in the old forums, you'll see when it came in. It might be that bug simply doesn't happen anymore because of other changes to the game, and the feature can just be switched back on.