New game type

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fire-hound

Once every while we have this discussion about an new game mode.

How about a VIP_truck escort.

What could be the goals?

1.Reach a destination?
2.Detection?
3.Capture?
4.Destruction?

a.Can both team have VIP_truck?
b.How many each team?

Zweistein000

You mean something like MWO? I'm not sure that could work for MWLL unless we're talking about a short TOS match with an objective. The Vehicle itself would have to be ridiculously tanky as well otherwise a singe ASF can just end the game.

There is also the issue of how would MWO react to this. MWLL generally doesn't want to draw too much attention.

fire-hound

Zweistein000 I'm not aware that MWO has any escort type of game mode?

Zweistein000

It's called protect he VIP, where the objective walks through the map in an unarmed Atlas with retarded amount of armour.

haarp

That would need AI mechs. If we ever get those, Atlas defense could be viable.

I would rather have a capture-the-flag style game mode. CTF has a lot of depth and allows for more strategy and tactics.

fire-hound

haarp how would you imagine a fun CTF in a game with so long TTK (time to kill)?

would we be better carry a "flag" or drive it across the map?

fire-hound

would playing the VIP as a human be that boring?

Zweistein000

It would be funny and interesting if only BA could carry the flag.

fire-hound

A note of warning: the CTF as a concept does not appear to be as popular currently as it used to be,

Further, our currently running modes allow for FFA like joining any time and allow for quite low player counts to start the game (2 players already) where the CTF mode could impose a limit to this to be any fun.

Further, Team Fortress 2 has an quite lookalike mode called push cart - one team is attacker and must remain in a certain zone around a cart. If no team members are near by, the cart won't go forward. Primary objective is to have the cart reach a certain point on the map.
Quite a fast paced mode.

Silvercraft

MWLL "convoy mission" should be superior and more immersive. Unfortunately disconnections and crashes really ruin this type of game play experience.

One way to make this without AI could be something like team version of LastManStanding. Non-symmetrical buy options and location/time based victory conditions.

If real new game mode can't be created then maybe add new league mode options to enable more victory conditions and let players use existing maps simulate differnt tactical scenarios.

fire-hound

Convoy would bring a fresh wind in I agree.

Question is if it can be pulled off and how.

Glarrg

Dropship assault

Make a dropship destructable, with loads of health but add a metric ton of weapons to it. It acts as one teams spawn and the other team spawns far away.

fire-hound

this could be more easy to provide than to balance, but worth a shot.

fire-hound

Got some idea for TC game mode:
I'm currently exploring moving a base over the map during the match (interesting!)

if it would work:
1. have an (central?) capturable forward factory point.
2. Only the factory is "away" until the point is captured - then a dropship lands on it
3. if IS holds the base, there is an Aurora, if held by clan, the Broadsword is present, otherwise, during neutral - each of them is "flown away" so empty base
4. If Evan20k where to devise it - add to it the expiring capture cap point - someone has to stand in the zone for the capture not to expire (at a tunable rate).

All things mentioned here are "at reach", question is do we have skill and time to resolve the riddles to unlock this.
And, in the end, would it yield more fun or salt?

haarp

Siege game mode

Defenders start in a castle with turrets and factory and shit. It contains an object of interest, such as an immovable APC containing a VIP.

Attackers spawn a few kilometers away. Their objective is to destroy the object of interest.

Each defender gets a fixed amount of cbills at the start of the match, such as 120k. Similar to ToS, they cannot earn more for the duration of the game, so it is crucial to not spend it all immediately on the shiniest mech.

Attackers assault the base in waves. First wave sees each attacker spawn with 50k, second wave with 60k, and so on. Basically SA-style cbill increase.

Each wave lasts 10 minutes. A wave is over if all attackers are dead or the objective is destroyed. The game is over after 5 waves or if the objective is destroyed. Now teams get swapped. The new attackers have to beat the previous attackers' time for destroying the objective.

Many details are yet to be worked out. This game mode would be a great showcase for the diversity of our assets and highlight the different roles they can shine in. Attackers can plan different paths or tactics for their assault. Ground slogging in tanks, running battle in fast mechs, massed aerial assault on exposed parts of the castle and stray defenders, or soften it up with artillery first? Employ brute force, or distraction tactics while an Anubis tries to sneak dat shit? Since the first wave is likely to fail, what do you do to maximize damage to the defenders to make successive waves easier? Defenders on the other hand need to git gud at not taking too much damage during a wave (no cbill reinforcements) and working in concert with their castle, its cover, turrets, etc. Hold them off with LRMs and gauss, or let them get close and open up with assault mechs and tanks carrying AC20s?

Secondary tasks could be added, such as capturable bases outside the immediate reach of either team, that enable turrets or TAG towers/AMS towers. This way the defenders would need to dispatch some units to hold this base, else they risk losing their turrets or suffering artillery bombardements due to lack of AMS coverage.

fire-hound

Add to that parts of the castle (Brian Cache ?) be destructible (like we have the walls already) and/or flowgraph movable (a bridge - castle style, or a gigantic gate barring an canyon path) and i think it could be pulled for play test in league mode already

So far I've pulled actions based on who owns a base by capture - proof of concept is the DaVanichta_V9 test map.

I especially like the notion one team is TC style (progress with spawn rank) and the other is ToS style (degrade with damage)

We could bar the attackers of repairs if too OP (buy and sell only), or allow the defenders to earn c-bills if too weak.
Maybe even dynamically during the game?

Yes many things remains to be tested
We still need to make AMS team/capture aware; Turrets as well (not to default to nearest factory, but to be aware of capture - to "belong" to capture point instead)

The "VIP" can even be a vehicle, an player (BA?) or an entity (reactor core, "prototype" anything).

The objective could be "capture", destroy or even hijack (drive the objective to a rally point).

All possible to implement, however needs to be tested.