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Title: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grifflyman on March 18, 2008, 07:22:27 AM
First time poster, long time browser!
I'm sure this topic has been created before, but oh well.

The question is simple, what mech do you want to see in the mod the most? You don't have to pick the ones in the mod already.

If you can, try to throw in a picture of the mech and explain why you want to see it in the game. :3
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gambit on March 19, 2008, 09:41:38 AM
Probably the MadCat Mk II or Maurader. 

Those have always been my favorite, not that I always used them though.



Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: darktimes on March 19, 2008, 10:10:34 AM
vulture, hybrid haha. ;D

i see it coming...
i camp on a mountain fire tausends of LRMs on all this madkat lovers.. hehehe
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on March 19, 2008, 10:24:24 AM
Probably the MadCat Mk II or Maurader. 

Good for us, both will be in the first version of the mod ;)
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/98
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/cpg/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/110

I like the Madcat Mk II a lot myself. That's one piece of threatening metal.

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Personally, I'd love to see the Jagermech and for purely nostalgic reasons maybe even the Rifleman. Judging from it's performance in MW4, I think I might as well like seeing the Gladiator getting revived.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: sudden on March 19, 2008, 01:53:46 PM
what i would like to see mech wise, and in the timeline u are aiming for is ALL OF THEM EVENTUALLY. every clan and IS mech in this time line. should be available.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ttsolo on March 19, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
I'd like to see the Krogoth from Total Annihilation xD
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grifflyman on March 20, 2008, 03:14:08 AM
How about the mackie? The original battle mech!

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/mackie.gif)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grifflyman on March 20, 2008, 03:43:38 AM
Jagger Mech
(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/jagermech0.gif)

Rifleman
http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/riflemancolor.jpg (http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/riflemancolor.jpg)



Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grifflyman on March 20, 2008, 04:16:12 AM
I would love to see the Stone Rhino....I love the way it looks!

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/stonerhinomech.gif)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on March 20, 2008, 08:02:26 AM
How about the mackie? The original battle mech!

That's a Mech I can easily live without.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ttsolo on March 20, 2008, 11:48:49 AM
Imagine this one as an assault mech, played as a mobile very heavy defense turret (It was a mobile artillery in Macross).

(http://i16.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/bc/cc/233b_1.JPG)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: WhiteMufasa on March 20, 2008, 07:01:10 PM
The Victor!

Always a favourite of mine.. especially when using clan weaps =)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Angreifer on March 20, 2008, 11:46:42 PM
The ZEU-9S Zeus. 80-tons of Lyran ass kicking. It would be a discredit to the Commonwealth not to include their flagship 'mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aurora Paradox on March 21, 2008, 01:00:56 AM
I would personally like to see all of the mektek mechs added in eventually however I would especially like to see the Warthog added.

Aurora Paradox
Alpha Star
Star Colonel
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: lazer726 on March 21, 2008, 03:43:57 PM
If it ain't in there, I need my Daishi
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grifflyman on March 21, 2008, 07:23:03 PM
The ZEU-9S Zeus. 80-tons of Lyran ass kicking. It would be a discredit to the Commonwealth not to include their flagship 'mech.

I do agree that the Zeus should be in there...it what General K. used....so it has to be good. ;o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: RedSpace on March 21, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
Thunderbolt 9M/10NAIS would be nice or the Albatross
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Criminal on March 22, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
I want to see an Urbie Mech....dead in MWLL.

Hell i want to make a whole map of dead urbie mechs so every other mech can walk on them. ;)

just so ugly!!

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/urbanmechiic0.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CG] Merle Jimmus on March 23, 2008, 12:14:10 AM
How about a few placed around the map with flip top lids, so I can stop to empty the cigar butts out of the ashtray of my Vulture........just step on the foot...lol
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grifflyman on March 23, 2008, 12:23:11 AM
But the cockpit has such a great view!

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tiger Dragon on March 23, 2008, 01:59:37 AM
The Night Gyr(with the cool glowing heat sinks), the Turkina, the Dragon/Grand Dragon, and the Cauldron-Born. Yes I am a clanner, you freebirth stravags.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on March 24, 2008, 07:17:11 AM
Kerensky used the Orion, and for good reason.  The mech mounted more armor than any heavy mech in existence, just about, and more than most assault mechs.  It had diverse weaponry: LRM-15, Autocannon-10, SRM-4, and 2 Medium Lasers.  It's only flaw was too much ammunition reliance and not enough heat sinks.  Once it's 16 salvos of LRMs and 20 rounds of Autocannon ammo were expended it had a tough time coming to grip with the enemy, though it had enough armor to safely disengage.

With the rediscovery of star league technology the mech could easily be refitted to have an LB10X Autocannon and ferro-fibrous armor which would free up enough weight to install CASE around it's heavy ammunition loads and put an Artemis IV FCS on the missile systems.  Cost effective double heat sinks would enable it to really tear up enemy mechs at the 180 meter range sweet spot.

At least, that's what I would have done, but, instead, the designers for House Marik decided to gimp one of the toughest mechs on the battlefield by putting an XL engine in it.

Just say "NO" to XL engines.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: metro on March 24, 2008, 06:07:43 PM
Hey AOP ! = )

 What about the Heavy Chassis BlackJACK DC = )
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Marrak on March 25, 2008, 09:51:50 AM
Hi guys, just found this site, glad to hear someone's making a new MW game.

As for which mech I'd like to see in there, you already have my some of my favorites, with the Madcat mk2, Marauder, Uziel, and Owens.

The Blood Kite would be a cool clan mech to add. http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/Blood%20Kite.gif I've always liked the way it looked.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Biohazard1984 on March 26, 2008, 07:12:36 AM
Id love to see a phoenix hawk and a warhammer as wellas the madcat mk2 and the night gyr.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: lkavadas on March 26, 2008, 07:56:08 AM
The Commando!  Also, the Blackjack.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Akalaide on March 26, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
The Black Knight, My all time favorite mech. And the Victor :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: JLZ on March 26, 2008, 09:39:08 PM
How about the mackie? The original battle mech!

LOL! He has two wieners. ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Typhoon on March 27, 2008, 02:50:14 PM
How about the mackie? The original battle mech!

LOL! He has two wieners. ;D
o.O
wut?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: FESTER1 on March 27, 2008, 05:47:54 PM
I personally have become a fan of the Deimos.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: zaha on March 27, 2008, 06:02:36 PM
The JagerMech would be quite cool =)
I think it would fit really well into the mod, cause it was "Designed as an anti-aircraft platform (...)". There's no other mech on the IS listing who could be called an anti-aircraft platform so far.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aurora Paradox on March 27, 2008, 07:59:26 PM
The JagerMech would be quite cool =)
I think it would fit really well into the mod, cause it was "Designed as an anti-aircraft platform (...)". There's no other mech on the IS listing who could be called an anti-aircraft platform so far.

The Catapult could use as an anti-aircraft mech considering it is primarily missile based.

Aurora Paradox
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: BlueFish on March 27, 2008, 11:39:25 PM
i want to see the rifleman come back.... maybe one modeled after the dark age minature figure...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Oldman on March 28, 2008, 01:32:07 PM
Any one of the original Robotech/Macross Unseen mechs. The Wasp, Stinger, Rifleman, Warhammer, Phoenix hawk, Marauder. Ooooh!!! How about LAM's This game would be perfect for LAM's!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on March 28, 2008, 03:30:19 PM
LAMs were weak in all regards but I would love to see all the classics.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Oldman on March 28, 2008, 07:28:44 PM
They were indeed weak but that doesn't make them any less classic,  ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: StormMage on March 28, 2008, 11:34:11 PM
Warhammer, Marauder, Stone Rhino, Linebacker...pretty much all of the MW2 mechs. Definetly the Warhawk & Timberwolf though.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Devayner on April 01, 2008, 03:43:06 AM
The Dashi is really high on my list and id like to see a Cauldron-Born,as well as a Warhammer.Seeing the video of the Catapult has all types of crazy images  goin through my brain.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Saif on April 02, 2008, 02:48:10 AM
Bushwacker.Nothing I'd like to see more than a bushie skulking through some trees and letting rip with it's autocannon...mmm...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: revelatio on April 05, 2008, 02:01:27 AM
Definitely the Original Mad Cat.

Daishi, Fafnir, Annihilator, Black Hawk, Penetrator, Highlander 2C.

Personally, I hope some clan garrison mechs would be represented.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kit Lightning on April 07, 2008, 06:45:13 PM
Bushwacker.Nothing I'd like to see more than a bushie skulking through some trees and letting rip with it's autocannon...mmm...
me to ...

Make me the BSW-X1 Bushwacker but with an Ultra AC-5, two LRM-5 and a pair of custom Pulse Lasers...
anyone said overheating and low on ammo ... can´t hear from the noise...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: BishopX on April 08, 2008, 08:54:15 PM
Hatamoto Chi he is on the right!
(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/intshots/maddogreinforcement.jpg)
and Kodiak
True warrior Mech's!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kit Lightning on April 09, 2008, 05:51:05 PM
A Bushwacker like this one ... the X1 (top 3d mod)

But I can more than live in/with your fabulous model, too! (bottom 3d mod)

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xKamikazex on April 09, 2008, 06:35:37 PM
(http://www.heavygauss.com/ASSAULT/highlanderIIC7.jpg)

^^^ I'ma make that guy for MWLL :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kit Lightning on April 09, 2008, 06:44:13 PM
can´t wait xKamikazex
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: BishopX on April 09, 2008, 07:08:11 PM
(http://www.heavygauss.com/ASSAULT/highlanderIIC7.jpg)

^^^ I'ma make that guy for MWLL :)
I remember him from mw2 merc
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Marrak on April 16, 2008, 07:14:16 AM
(http://www.heavygauss.com/ASSAULT/highlanderIIC7.jpg)

^^^ I'ma make that guy for MWLL :)

Niiice. :D I almost forgot about him, definitely one of my favorite mechs; usually the clan updates looked so much nicer. Especially the new look of the Marauder 2 clan variant.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on April 16, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
this ... please! it´s just a little wish?

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: siodseraph on April 16, 2008, 06:35:17 PM
I second that :D I really like the bushwaker. Not because it's a supreme design .. just because it looks cool and is the first mech to control in MW3 ;-)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on April 16, 2008, 06:43:47 PM
I second that :D I really like the bushwaker. Not because it's a supreme design .. just because it looks cool and is the first mech to control in MW3 ;-)

thanks ... you´re on my buddy list for saying that! see the other camo at www.pinksniperiii.devianart.com
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: siodseraph on April 16, 2008, 06:57:58 PM
Ditto :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: siodseraph on April 17, 2008, 01:43:36 PM
D'Oh ... check this one out Kit: http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/51/74/

Says "Bushwaker" under Medium ... we should start reading more .. :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Askis on April 17, 2008, 02:53:17 PM
Yeah it's there, not this weird BSW-X1 but the normal Bushwacker.
Where is the BSW-X1 from anyway? Looks like no normal Mech, but rather like an overgunned fan variant...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: IgnisTemper on April 17, 2008, 06:22:42 PM
Not really a mech per se, but I would love to see my favorite battle armor come in for this.

(http://www.heavymetalpro.com/image/Fenir-LA.jpg)

It has to be my all time favorite version of battle armor, the Fenrir.

Edit: Forgot to post the name
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: siodseraph on April 17, 2008, 06:23:54 PM
Wow that one looks sick .. never seen it before. What's the name? And welcome to the forums :D

EDIT: NM thinking its a Fenir, correct? Picture name gave it away ...
EDIT2: If I am not mistaken that's a dark age design. Doubt we gonna see it in this mod as it plays somwhere in the Inner Sphere / Clan Conflict ...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on April 17, 2008, 06:36:06 PM
While interesting to look at, I doubt that will be implemented by the team.  You never know, they have been continually surprising us.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: IgnisTemper on April 17, 2008, 06:37:53 PM
Thanks for the welcome,

Yeah sorry it's the Fenrir battle armor and no it actually wasn't introduced by Dark Age.  Prior to that, a new edition of Mechwarrior RPG rules were released which had an add-on book called Lostech that introduced all the battle armor types in existence of the Battletech universe.

Including the Longinus type battle armor which is planned for this mod which, timeline wise, was introduced in the conflict between the IS and Clans at about the same time as the Fenrir.

Edit: Hey I know it's unlikely, but I didn't think that was the purpose of this thread, on my list of vehicles to see that haven't been announced yet this is the one at the top.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on April 17, 2008, 06:47:14 PM
Hey, if you know how to model in a 3D application you could also make it and submit it for the team to use.  Hell, just model it for its own sake because it is pretty cool.

One question.  Is it design for a mastiff?  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: IgnisTemper on April 17, 2008, 06:49:45 PM
lol it probably was designed after a mastiff
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: redrock on April 21, 2008, 12:27:03 AM
well ive skimmed the post on this thread no doubt i missed the one bout shadow cat:)
but anyways was wondering anyway to take  any lag we get in game and funnel it to a certain area,

so we can have lag shooting back:) shadowcat+lag + the stutter step= priceless :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on April 21, 2008, 06:04:05 PM
Not really a mech per se, but I would love to see my favorite battle armor come in for this.

(http://www.heavymetalpro.com/image/Fenir-LA.jpg)

It has to be my all time favorite version of battle armor, the Fenrir.

Edit: Forgot to post the name

this isnt either ... but they look cool...

p.s. Hell Beast HB-1B from http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/index.asp?p=2&Table=BattleMechs&Action=Search&Chassis=49 (of course)

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tane00 on April 27, 2008, 09:07:42 AM
Battlemaster, Archer, Panther, Jenner, Javelin.... i could go on and on and also give you detailed info as to what roles they would take in the game
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spartacus on April 27, 2008, 03:50:27 PM
Heh. I guess four legged Mechs would be possilble hmm?  :)

As for which mech: Urbie's for the win!  :P

But seriously - all of them eventually. You can have (maybe possible?) some kind of patch that will add a mech at a time, and then have an annual patch with all from the past year.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on April 27, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
Heh. I guess four legged Mechs would be possilble hmm?  :)

Four legged mechs are not part of any considerations for the near future, sorry.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: IgnisTemper on April 30, 2008, 05:32:57 PM
Four legged mechs are not part of any considerations for the near future, sorry.

Are they just too much of a hassle mechanically speaking to put in game?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on April 30, 2008, 05:51:00 PM
Four legged mechs are not part of any considerations for the near future, sorry.

Are they just too much of a hassle mechanically speaking to put in game?

As far as I know - yes. They haven't been ruled out completely and not because of gameplay or balancing, but at least... "delayed" because we'd rather see "mainstream" hardware working to everyone's - or at least most people's - full satisfaction for the initial release.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Chaoswolf on April 30, 2008, 10:10:07 PM
BlackHawk, must have a BlackHawk mech, or for those of you who dont know its clan name, a Nova, must have a Nova. Nothing screams "Your Dead!" better than a blackhawk loaded out with 12 m.Pulse lasers, and jumpjets, fast, mobile, and deadly against anything near it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Andrew March on May 01, 2008, 05:50:33 PM
I want to see a Cougar in the game.....

(http://www.andrewmarch.net/GalleryIndex_files/Cougar_revised.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on May 01, 2008, 05:58:39 PM
I want to see a Cougar in the game.....

You mean the Cougar that's showing up in our asset list and therefore will be in the initial release of MWLL?
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/52
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: IgnisTemper on May 01, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
What he said,

Sweet picture though.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xaero on May 01, 2008, 08:19:40 PM
Daishi, Gladiator and the Black Knight. Can't live without em' 8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aurora Paradox on May 01, 2008, 08:25:25 PM
What he said,

Sweet picture though.

Agreed.  Where did you find that?

Aurora Paradox
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Andrew March on May 01, 2008, 09:20:24 PM
It's mine.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on May 01, 2008, 09:29:22 PM
It's mine.

Very impressive. No kidding.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Andrew March on May 01, 2008, 09:40:47 PM
No kidding, I've been a Lightwave artist for about six years, you can see some of my other work here http://www.andrewmarch.net/GalleryIndex.htm (http://www.andrewmarch.net/GalleryIndex.htm)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tane00 on May 03, 2008, 01:54:42 AM
heres why an ARC (or Archer) would be good

Exellant long range support, ground bound so as not to be to cheesy, and an exellant amount of ammo for prolonged engagments

BLR ( Battlemaster)

Exellant short range power, with a PPC for long range while it closes, MG's for anti infantry action and enough armor to make it a stand up brawler, quite possibly one of the best assaults for total package roundness

STK (Stalker) one of my all time favorites

theres not much to say about this mech, it can do everything, from long range to short range and everything inbetween

SDR (Spider)

its a nifty lil light mech that has massive maneuverablity, great for scouting out whats ahead

TBT (Trebuchet)

a medium mech with little armor but great longrange and shortrange power


those are just a few nice mechs that would be cool to see, and why they are good
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Element on May 05, 2008, 06:14:18 AM
Cauldron-Born (Ebon Jaguar) is one 'mech I'd love to see.  Also, the Templar is one of the best IS 'mechs ever (in my opinion) so I'd love to see it too.  Others include the Orion IIC, Linebacker, Black Hawk (Nova), Thug, Brigand, Bandersnatch, and Avatar.

Edit: Forgot to say Shadowhawk.  The original IS version.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Demonic on May 20, 2008, 04:50:57 PM
Shorted by weight class:

Light: Wolfhound

Medium: Hellspawn

Heavy: Blacknight

Assault: Highlander

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Konka on May 30, 2008, 01:26:23 AM
Clan mechs: Direwolf, Warhawk, Marauder IIC, Timberwolf, CauldronBorn, Nova

IS mechs: Firestarter, Commando, Hatamoto-Chi, Jager-Mech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Swissjak on May 30, 2008, 01:46:00 AM
I second the Wolfhound.

Mechs aside I wouldn't mind seeing the missile systems of Mech2: Mercs make a comeback. An example being when you fire an LRM20 that it's 20 missile firing in rapid succession, unlike mech3 or 4 where it just never felt right to me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Centron on May 30, 2008, 05:15:42 AM
Uziel, Kodiak, and Timber Wolf. That is all you need!  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mizzri on June 03, 2008, 04:09:29 AM
If I was leading the charge it would be in my Shadowcat. But if I want to break out the hurt, I'd strap on my Masakari  ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Masakari on June 03, 2008, 04:31:50 AM
YES AGREES :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: killjoy on June 04, 2008, 08:28:20 PM
The Classic Warhammer all the way, honestly though I will probably stick to battle armor there is something to be said about not being in a 30ft tall ordnance magnet.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sharptooth on June 06, 2008, 12:56:37 AM
Hellspawn

Nova Cat

Thanatos

Thor

Atlas 

It would be nice to see most of the mechs from MW2 and MW3, and 4 hehe.

If I had to choose just one I would say Nova Cat
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MECHcraft on June 08, 2008, 04:26:19 AM
i wanna see this one  8)

(http://users.pandora.be/MECHcraft/MECH.jpg)

Most of you guys will recognize this mech as "Argus" , lightest of the assault mech class tho  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mizzri on June 08, 2008, 05:48:23 AM
There's nothing wrong with light mechs: They have a purpose. You just need to develop a style to play them efficiently
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Chaoswolf on June 08, 2008, 06:03:15 AM
all i want is a Nova, aka Black Hawk. If I get into one of those things im hell on jump jets.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 08, 2008, 06:10:14 AM
Someone's probably already said Wolverine, huh?  Well, I'll second that.  Wolverine is my favorite 'Mech of all time.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 08, 2008, 10:50:09 AM
It's all about the Griffin-1N, Wolf.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 08, 2008, 06:08:07 PM
Okay, the Griffin's a good 'Mech, too... same movement and armor, but the Griffin, as it stands, has a better weapons loadout.  However, the WVR-6M Wolverine would be a better close-in fighter.  I guess the biggest thing I like is the shape of the 'Mech... it just looks badass.  The Griffin, not so much to me.

However, no one can forget the Shadow Hawk, the ORIGINAL bad ass.  Not for the design, necessarily, but certainly for the look.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: overwatch on June 09, 2008, 04:15:05 AM
I'm already getting the 'mech I want to see most... the Shadowcat!  But going back to my IS days, long before the sons of Kerensky.  My favorite 'mech was always the Victor.  80 tons, but it had JJ and an AC 20. Plus, it look so damn cool in the TRO.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mizzri on June 09, 2008, 04:26:59 AM
The Shadowcat really is a lovely piece of Clan machinery, isn't it!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: overwatch on June 09, 2008, 04:45:18 AM
I'll take 45 tons of Shadowcat over 100 tons of anything else.  It's not as well known as the Timber Wolf or the Atlas, not as much a fan favorite as the Highlander or the Hatchetman.  But it's speed, versatility, lethality and all around excellence make it a 'mech without peer.  The first day I power one up in MWLL will be a fine day indeed.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mizzri on June 09, 2008, 04:57:16 AM
Haha, I second that. I never even knew much about the mech until I captured one in MW4 Mercs. I had read about it in the 3058 TRO, but never paid it any more attention than other newer Clan mechs. But after running around in one with MW4, I was passing up on captured Vultures and Mad Cats because I just liked the speed and "kick" of the Shadowcat.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 09, 2008, 05:23:03 AM
I have to admit the Shadowcat is REALLY nice.  I was able to get through the remainder of a MechWarrior 3 game once I found a Shadowcat, except in the lava pit below-ground; have to have a larger 'Mech for that one.  I always gave my lancemates the bigger toys and let them go to work while I skirted the fight and picked off targets they would incessantly miss.  It is a sweet machine.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kelembai on June 09, 2008, 12:50:59 PM
my vote would be for the Orion, with newer tech of course. Orions have the kick of the assault class and almost as tough too. another mech I'd like to see would be the Enforcer, the ENF-4R had an excellent weapons loadout for medium range work. too bad it never got much play in any of the computer games.

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5597/orionmtpost01zi9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

did this a long time ago  ;)... so if the powers that be need an Orion you know who to call  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 10, 2008, 12:45:46 AM
Wolf, no doubt, the Wolverine, especially the large laser version, is a brutal close fighter (though it suffers some heat problems.)  In a 1v1 fight, though, the matched maneuverability means that the superior range of the Griffin will likely inflict critical damage to the Wolverine first.

Kelembai, yes, the Orion is a solid mech for the IS.  I would actually prefer to have the IS heavy mechs be the Jagermech, Catapult, Warhammer, and Orion.  The armor ranges from light to heavy, and the weapons loadouts are pretty specific for 3 of the mechs (Long-range direct fire ACs / Anti-aircraft, LRM support, twin PPCs and close range brutality).  Meanwhile the Orion packs a good variety of each to make the big-daddy command heavy (LB-10x, LRM-20, SRM-4, Medium Lasers, and the all important NARC for combination with the Catapult.)  I think the beauty of the Orion is it can fill any niche it needs to, and has enough armor, speed and ammunition to survive for a good while doing it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 10, 2008, 12:57:32 AM
Wolf, no doubt, the Wolverine, especially the large laser version, is a brutal close fighter (though it suffers some heat problems.)  In a 1v1 fight, though, the matched maneuverability means that the superior range of the Griffin will likely inflict critical damage to the Wolverine first.
It's funny, in the computer games I'm an LRM and Large Laser guy... I like to stay at range and pepper the bad guy so they don't get to me, and I've done well enough for that endeavor, but only on-line.  On the tabletop, though, it's all close for me because I've gone through 50 sets of dice, at least, and I can never hit with LRMs.  Funny, ain't it?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Chaoswolf on June 10, 2008, 02:15:35 AM
im an LRM and artill king on table top... i think i stole you luck wit them red.. and you took mine... i cant hit anything worth a damn in less than 5 hexes
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 10, 2008, 03:29:23 AM
I KNEW it went somewhere!!!!  Well, I suppose it's good to be alright in one thing and not so good in others, but I wish I could do the overall "tactical god" sort of deal, like my buddy Trey.  I've never won against that guy, and it pisses me off every time I lose.  However, in the computer games, I'm not so bad when I go up against him, and I'd say it's been 50/50 the bloody few times we've played together.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Defender on June 10, 2008, 04:28:35 AM
I want a Champion.
Just because it looks so silly.

It's like a Jet Turkey!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mizzri on June 10, 2008, 04:33:23 AM
Haha, that sounds like my D&D dice. I had a red razor edge set that I used to break out when I was pissed off at a player - rolled 20's with an uncommon regularity  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 10, 2008, 04:46:25 AM
I want a Champion.
Just because it looks so silly.

It's like a Jet Turkey!
OMG... I just looked at a pic for one of those, and you ain't kiddin'!!!  ROFLMAO... a jet turkey.  That's like Rocket Surgeon... just too funny.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 10, 2008, 07:56:05 AM
Hey Wolf, what CV/BV/C-bill/Tonnage games do you usually end up playing?  I might have a few suggestions on lances to give you an edge.  My personal favorite in 3025 is 4 Archers.  Insane long-range firepower, decent close range weapons (include punches and kicks), and more armor than some assault mechs.  I did a game of megamek with that lance against an entire company of mechs (~600 tons) and took them all down only losing 2 Archers in the process.

Another good combo is to leap frog Awesomes, Warhammers, or Marauders.  One moves forward and fires a PPC (or 2 for an awesome) while the other sits still and fires everything, then switch to cool off and make the enemy question whether he should go for better to-hit-numbers or focus fire on the damaged one.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 10, 2008, 04:19:08 PM
About the only games I played in the past had to deal with tonnage, and the only rule was if I was playing Inner Sphere and you were playing Clan, I got half-again as much tonnage as you.  Otherwise, the ton values were even, and normally the limit of 4 to 6 'Mechs at most.

I actually like the combination of either Locusts or Wasps and Archers, so I can put my Archers into indirect fire positions and only risk the lights, who become difficult to hit dependant on how they move.

In on-line games, I've always felt a proper lance would be best: 1 Light, 1 or 2 Mediums, and either 2 Heavies or one Heavy and Assault, depending on whether there are 1 or 2 Mediums.  The Light 'Mech does recon and marking targets for indirect fire, the Heavy(s) or Assault -or both if available- sit back with range weapons and pound marked targets, and the Medium goes for confusion and CQB.  However, I've never found it to work that way, and normally everyone takes Heavy or Assault 'Mechs.

In Inner Sphere Wars, now, they have their missions set up so the spectrum of 'Mechs are required across a series of battles, and I find that to be very cool, indeed.  Would love to see more about ISW re-tooling for MWLL.  I don't mean that to be a shameless plug, now that I think about it, but rather just a natural extension of this post, because I was thinking about it at the time.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mizzri on June 10, 2008, 06:58:52 PM
ISW would also give us diehard Clansman a chance to pilot some of those classic IS mechs, although the decreased ranges and accuracies might make that a less enjoyable experience, hehe.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 10, 2008, 07:47:57 PM
The trouble with indirect fire is that your to hit numbers are stupid high.  You've got Base 4 + 2 (spotter ran) + 4 (long range is likely) and +1 (Indirect Fire) + (woods or movement for the enemy) = 11+

Or you could let the heavy armor of your Archer's whether whatever your enemy throws at you.  Base 4 + 0 (attacker stationary) + 4 (long range) + (woods or movement for the enemy) = 8+

The enemy, if they are trying to close range, will likely be moving at a run and you'll have parked your archers either behind partial cover, or in some woods.  Attacker would need Base 4 + 2 (attacker ran) + 4 (long range) +3 (partial cover = 13+ impossible) or + 2 (heavy woods) = 12
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (AU 6) Redwolf on June 10, 2008, 09:32:42 PM
Yeah, but once they get close, you're toast, because Medium Lasers do not a good 'Mech armament make.  A combination of armaments, sure.  Oh, and even you have to admit, some of the factors you've thrown in there are sort of the extreme factors.  It is possible, because I have done it, to lower those numbers.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 11, 2008, 11:01:52 AM
Yes, your locust could sit still at long range, or you could lure the enemy into an open plain, or you could even manage to get indirect fire coming in at closer than long-range, or fire on immobile targets.

Honestly, though, with 8+ to hit and 8 LRM-20s coming in, you're likely to hit with 3 and inflict somewhere on the order of 36 damage to some poor mech.  If it fails that piloting skill roll, he is in a world of trouble.  Anything making it through that storm either is fast and lightly armored (therefore laser bait for the medium lasers) or really tough, slow as dirt, and so full of holes once it gets close that the medium lasers tear through it like wet tissue paper.

If all else fails, go in for kicking.  At 14 damage a hit, few mechs keep their legs for very long in an archer mosh pit.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on June 15, 2008, 07:57:05 PM
I love the Rhino toooooooooooo! see! just resently chiseled out!

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on June 15, 2008, 08:01:02 PM
I want a Champion.
Just because it looks so silly.

The Mackie beats them all ... in looking silly that is, *hrm*, and it might also suggest something to the ladies around!  :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Exanimous on July 01, 2008, 12:04:11 AM
http://www.mechcorps.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=126&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Hi everyone for the first time! I am so glad there's a mechwarrior community here and a devoted team that is committed to creating a battletech/mechwarrior mod.

I've always loved the IS Desig. Cauldron-Born/Clan Desig. Ebon Jaguar. I was once able to kill all three of my superior officers in a trial of position, and I could usually knock down almost any mech with my dual LBX-20s, would love to see this bad-boy in the game!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: paul1290 on July 01, 2008, 05:22:24 AM
I know it's already in the game, but really want to pilot a Bushwacker in this game. It has always been my favorite medium mech.

However, I wonder if the long range configuration for the Bushwacker will be available. The specs on the site seem to suggest only the short range combat version will be in the game.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Exanimous on July 02, 2008, 03:22:17 AM
You bring up a great idea, I am sure the devs have considered this, but, making some mechs in part, modular, at least in the way they are modeled, so that perhaps, certain objects used for the vulture could be used for the avatar, bushwacker, and cauldron born. Reusing parts with minor modification seems like an obvious and efficient solution, so I am sure the devs have thought of it already.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: BlackPython777 on July 05, 2008, 04:22:23 AM
Hi, big fan of the project, was crushed when I learned that MW5 was cancelled. The work you have done so far is mind-blowing! Excellent work, guys!

Anyways, the 'mechs I would love to see most:

IS: Battlemaster, Rakshasa (<- seriously, it was deadly in MW2:Mercs)
Clan: Black Python (<- most wanted, no joke), Battlemaster IIC
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Corax on July 09, 2008, 03:42:37 AM
Stone Rhino (Behemoth) was always a fav of mine.  and Gargoyle (Man o War i think?) and of course Daishi.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Byz on July 09, 2008, 06:39:49 AM
Honestly I just want to see it completed.
Seems too good to be true....
Any mech...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Razgriz5555 on July 12, 2008, 04:57:31 PM
How can such a classic workhorse badass piece of machinery like the Battlemaster be left out? A shame that all the talk is about the shiny clanmachines, but they never saw it coming from my B-master. Ok, it was a liiittle bit modified with a twin ER-PPC MLasers and MPLSLasers, a hatchet on its free arm and triple myomer for close range devastation, but there were few mechs able to stand toe to toe with it. Damn you youngsters and your clan mechs! (shakes cane in the air menacingly)


At least my favourite saunamech is in. Nothing like pounding on the enemy with the Awesome's  3 PPCs while running the risk of being cooked in the cockpit :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xKamikazex on July 12, 2008, 08:45:42 PM
I love the Rhino toooooooooooo! see! just resently chiseled out!

Wow Kit, that's an awesome render of that model. Did you recreate that guy?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skydance on July 12, 2008, 10:41:30 PM
With the Awesome 9Q, you get four PPCs and no real heat problems. That's something even the Warhawk couldn't manage.

So, they made the Hellstar and fixed that... ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Razgriz5555 on July 12, 2008, 10:47:52 PM
LoL call me oldschool, but now that they removed the Awesome's claw there's not much it can do in close range, and don't you just hate using PPCs as batons? Ah the claw brings warm memories of victory back. Ripped out a chunk of XL engine with that melee attack that day.... ;)
My favourite version must be the 9M though.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on July 13, 2008, 04:35:50 AM
I love the Rhino toooooooooooo! see! just resently chiseled out!

Wow Kit, that's an awesome render of that model. Did you recreate that guy?

yep! [and it aint finished :ggg: image is Photochopped!]

 ;D and the Mackie (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2004.msg21994.html#msg21994) too, they are silly ones!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Afrothunda on July 14, 2008, 11:04:29 PM
Dashi :(, makes me sad its not in first version, but that mech is just brings back memories of knockin down cougers, and atlas with its slow speed and innocent look , it seems like any normal assault mech, but really it packs the punch that brings other mechs to their knees
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Der Nachtfalter on July 15, 2008, 05:36:01 AM
Mechs I'd like to see come out later:

Clan (med) Hellhound, Arctic Wolf, (heavy) Loki, Cauldron Bourne, (Assault) Gladiator, Daishi

IS (light) Flea, (med) Hellspawn, (heavy) Black Knight, (assault) Victor, Sunder, Mauler.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Hellfire on July 17, 2008, 10:52:56 PM
Mechs I'd like to see come out later:

Clan (med) Hellhound, Arctic Wolf, (heavy) Loki, Cauldron Bourne, (Assault) Gladiator, Daishi

IS (light) Flea, (med) Hellspawn, (heavy) Black Knight, (assault) Victor, Sunder, Mauler.
Starslayer, Verfolger, Gallowglas, Thug, Highlander, Nightstar, Devastator now those are mechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Masakari on July 21, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
Robocop
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ragnarok on July 23, 2008, 08:03:40 PM
Definitly would be cool to see the Banshee
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xNeoThoRx on July 24, 2008, 02:25:26 AM
You gotta have mechs like the  Thor, Madcat, Atlas, Shadowcat, Mk2, etc etc...

But the one mech I would really like to see is the   Catapult (Killapult!!) or the Cauldronborn.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on July 25, 2008, 08:04:10 PM
...
Catapult (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/97) is in MWLL, and for the rest, see infra
IS ´Mech´s (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/51/74/)
CL ´Mech´s (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/52)

p.s. for a future 100t ´Mech this kitten (http://www.solaris7.com/gallery/ImageInfo.asp?ID=2420) thou its hard to make a good config to it!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tiger842 on July 25, 2008, 11:18:52 PM
Aha! I remember the Stone Rhino from Ghost Bears Legacy. That Mech always looked cool.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: lordrushx1 on July 26, 2008, 02:17:41 AM
Jenner JR7-F  ftw!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: IceDeBo on August 08, 2008, 04:28:07 AM
Just give me Jump jet and i will 0wN3d dat ass.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ironpigeon on August 09, 2008, 10:33:13 PM
I can't believe none of guys want to run around the map in the classic Locust. Good old memories running circles around assualt mechs while chewing away at them until the big guns arrive.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: death_grin on August 10, 2008, 06:06:42 AM
...
Catapult (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/97) is in MWLL, and for the rest, see infra
IS ´Mech´s (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/51/74/)
CL ´Mech´s (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/52)

p.s. for a future 100t ´Mech this kitten (http://www.solaris7.com/gallery/ImageInfo.asp?ID=2420) thou its hard to make a good config to it!

Who needs a good config when you have three guass rifles?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PhelanWard on August 11, 2008, 01:37:12 PM
I wish any of the configurations of the Stone Rhino had three gauss rifles. Sadly though that big top gun is a small laser. As a WiE fan myself I'd love to see any of the crazy 'second-line' designs that my forum name is of made such as the pack hunter or seconding Der Nachtfalter on his bid for an Arctic Wolf. Or how about a Fenris?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: FattyDeuce on September 21, 2008, 05:16:21 PM
The only one I dont' see that should be in the game is the Templar.  It would make a good Battlemaster replacement.  Looks like everything else I need is already respresented.  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on September 21, 2008, 06:18:58 PM
The only one I dont' see that should be in the game is the Templar.  It would make a good Battlemaster replacement.  Looks like everything else I need is already respresented.  ;D

Ooh templar, I like that idea too. Battlemaster ought to be in this eventually, though, it's just too cool to leave out.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [TLL] S†RiKeR on September 22, 2008, 03:44:59 AM
The most stylish and prettyest 3d model i`ve seen so far in the mwll gallery.
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/mwnc.jpg)
Ps
(U should add some more polygons in the feet.It has to do something with the toes i believe.After this u have done an excelent job.)

(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/nc2.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Masakari on September 22, 2008, 04:02:10 AM
You called it pretty, it's badass value decreased by 10 points now :(
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [TLL] S†RiKeR on September 22, 2008, 04:05:12 AM
Come again?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Masakari on September 22, 2008, 04:52:51 AM


This is pretty

(http://www.stephaniehaywood.com/uploads/my%20little%20pony.jpg)

This is manly

(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/mwnc.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tiger842 on September 22, 2008, 06:50:50 AM
lol  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [TLL] S†RiKeR on September 22, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
Hey could i have the nova cat`s 3ds file plzz?
I would like to experiment with it if the creator don`t mind.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Landros Radick on September 22, 2008, 04:57:00 PM
Hey could i have the nova cat`s 3ds file plzz?
I would like to experiment with it if the creator don`t mind.

Not going to happen. You can get Pawel's though..
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [TLL] S†RiKeR on September 22, 2008, 07:32:08 PM
Hey could i have the nova cat`s 3ds file plzz?
I would like to experiment with it if the creator don`t mind.

Not going to happen. You can get Pawel's though..

Hmmm.
OK pawel`s is the nova cat from mercs i suppose?
How i can get it?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Landros Radick on September 22, 2008, 10:17:43 PM
Google Mech 3D Models..
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on September 23, 2008, 12:10:52 AM
This is manly

(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/mwnc.jpg)
if manly includes sleek thin legs like an underwear model, then yes.  of course that pic is stretched, but still.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Whiplash on September 23, 2008, 12:44:48 AM
Hey could i have the nova cat`s 3ds file plzz?
I would like to experiment with it if the creator don`t mind.
lol
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: omnitek on September 23, 2008, 08:36:39 PM
This is manly

(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/mwnc.jpg)
if manly includes sleek thin legs like an underwear model, then yes.  of course that pic is stretched, but still.

 I agree ...tho a mini skirt could make it more manly!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Luger on September 23, 2008, 09:35:17 PM
My favorite mechs in no particular order are: Stormcrow, Shadowcat, TimberWolf, Thor, Hellbringer, Vulture, Rifleman IIC.

MW2 Fav: TimberWolf-No other mech sums up the clan ideology on warfare.
MW3 Fav: Shadowcat-Just plain fun to use this mech against larger mechs and see them go boom while you dance around.
MW4 Fav: Thor-Infight.. 2xLBX20 1xLBX10.. no other mech could boast of this firepower except an assault.
MW4:HC Fav: Stormcrow & TimberWolf-ATMHE30 Storcrow ruled the infight for a 55 ton mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: omnitek on September 24, 2008, 12:05:27 AM
 MY favorites are,in this order: Shadowcat,Madcat MK2,,Blood Asp,Vulture,Thanatos.

 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skydance on September 24, 2008, 01:48:37 AM


This is pretty

(http://www.stephaniehaywood.com/uploads/my%20little%20pony.jpg)

I want those in MWLL now.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: UnderTaker on September 24, 2008, 03:34:54 PM


This is pretty

(http://www.stephaniehaywood.com/uploads/my%20little%20pony.jpg)

I want those in MWLL now.

 I thought we told you guys to STOP drinking printer cleaning fluids???!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [TLL] S†RiKeR on September 24, 2008, 04:07:52 PM
This
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/normal_IS_Uziel.jpg)
And this
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/mwnc.jpg)
And this
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/normal_CL_Kodiak_front.jpg)
And that
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/mechthumb.jpg)
I had a dream last night..
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ALAPOK on October 14, 2008, 02:55:23 AM
Lets see the Prometheus!!!

http://www.macommunity.net/prometheus.php (http://www.macommunity.net/prometheus.php)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sarge on October 14, 2008, 07:56:42 AM
There's a MechAssualt community!?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ALAPOK on October 15, 2008, 02:01:45 AM
You bet your sweet Belial there is.

Check it out anyone thats interested. Weve only been up a couple months and were looking for anything Battletech/Mech-related to jump on as the next big thing. Or just some fun battle stories or whatever.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AndrewOsis on October 15, 2008, 05:11:58 AM
Lol nice to see some of you made it over there alapok.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kelembai on October 15, 2008, 07:08:21 AM
my wishlist:

(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6368/orionmtpost01ig5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

and a Hatchetman, though without physical attack that hatchet is nothing more than a fancy lollypop. still, it would look cool though.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7943/hatchetman0ph3.gif
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [TLL] S†RiKeR on October 15, 2008, 07:18:58 AM
Hmmmm

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo289/l0ck13/va.jpg
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sarge on October 15, 2008, 08:23:50 AM
Jeezes Christ my EYES! Could you have picked a more obnoxious background!?   >:(

Also, I see nothing wrong with the nova cat.
(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/61_Psycho_CSAAlpha_NovaCat23.jpg)
It only has two cannons on the right arm.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on October 15, 2008, 09:05:54 AM
Uh... Kelembai, please don't embed pictures of that size, that's just going to make some people's screens explode. I assume you picked the wrong embed code from fileshack?
lock1e, I had physical pain in the eye trying to read in that picture, what the hell was that supposed to be?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kelembai on October 15, 2008, 10:37:41 AM
Uh... Kelembai, please don't embed pictures of that size, that's just going to make some people's screens explode. I assume you picked the wrong embed code from fileshack?

uhh... sorry guys, didn't notice it until i hit 'post'... i thought i picked the right one.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on October 16, 2008, 05:17:01 AM
Hm, I was puttering around the internet today, and I bumped into the Land Air 'Mechs (LAM).  I'm not sure if this has been considered yet or not, but I think it might be an interesting option in MWLL to allow players to use these unique machines.  For anyone that is not familiar with what a LAM is, it is a modified 'Mech that can transform between 'Mech, Aerospace fighter, and a special AirMech mode which is halfway between the two and allows for longer heat-free jumps and VTOL.  You can find more information on LAMs here:

http://sarna.net/wiki/LAM

The drawback of LAMs is the requirement of additional weight for the transformation gear which takes away from their arsenal, as well as reduced overall armor protection and the vulnerability of the transformation components while the LAM is changing forms.  LAMs are also generally more expensive to produce and maintain than traditional 'Mechs, but they do naturally have a significant mobility advantage due to their ability to fly behind the lines and harass the enemy.  I imagine that it is probably too late to implement this for release because of the unique nature of these machines, but I think that it could offer an interesting option to players that could be tremendously effective if used well.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: mcQueen on October 16, 2008, 11:39:20 PM
and a Hatchetman, though without physical attack that hatchet is nothing more than a fancy lollypop. still, it would look cool though.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7943/hatchetman0ph3.gif

yes thats indeed a sweet piece. iv got this one painted a few years ago:
http://www.22sr.de/testflash/galerie/Axeman_front.jpg
http://www.22sr.de/testflash/galerie/Axeman_back.jpg
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rampage on October 18, 2008, 05:00:27 AM
I gotta go with the Bushwacker and the Uziel. Those are my all time favorites.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: paul1290 on October 19, 2008, 05:03:29 AM
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8074/atlaspunchpostertr4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on October 19, 2008, 05:08:45 PM
Lawl, that masa got its face OWNED.

Well at least it looks like a masa, it could be something else.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CG] Merle Jimmus on October 20, 2008, 12:27:09 AM
Hope that Masa had air bags
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on October 21, 2008, 04:32:58 AM
Hope that Masa had air bags
Doubt it, when's the last time you've seen a 'mech that is less conducive to the survival of its mechwarrior? I mean FFS the cockpit is gigantic and the overhang above it looks like it'd make ejection a frickin no-no. Clan philosophy for the lose?

That aside, I really want to see the Loki included in some later addition. While the Thor and Loki are remarkably similar, I can't help but want both.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: JLZ on October 21, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
My favorite Mech is the Mad Dog (Vulture).

I'd like to see:
Timber Wolf (Mad Cat)
Kit Fox (Uller)
Nova (Black Hawk)

Good choice on the already modeled Mechs BTW.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on October 23, 2008, 06:06:47 AM
As long as the Summoner (Thor) is there, I'm happy.

Would also like to see the Nova and the Hatamoto-Chi.

And I've always been curious about how it would feel to pilot the Blood Kite.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xNeoThoRx on October 24, 2008, 03:38:23 AM
Long time favorite is the Thor
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Metalbourne on October 24, 2008, 05:11:49 PM
The Warhammer, Marauder, Casaer, Archer, Behemmoth (Stone Rhino), Highlander, all the originals.  :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Scruffe on October 24, 2008, 05:41:04 PM
well the catapult is already in the game so i dont realy have anything to ask for
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on October 24, 2008, 05:53:12 PM
SILVER FOX for SOLARIS VII maps (exclusively)!

And all ´Mechs from the CBT! ::) Pretty please... nothing much more, uh yeah, and that MWLL is eventually turned into a MMORPG! with thousand millions of users to battle againts, alliances to form, contracts to accomplish... [/f I got off-topic again]
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on October 24, 2008, 07:00:18 PM
Kit's off his meds again.  :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xNeoThoRx on October 24, 2008, 07:42:35 PM
well the catapult is already in the game so i dont realy have anything to ask for

I use to LOVE when I was in VL (www.mw4vl.com) league under my Alias (which was in JF)

I would get people to do 1v1's against me pretty easy under my Alias.

They would think Im a noob.

I would take a Catapult w/ 3 ER Large and some CLRM15's..

I never did lose a 1v1 vs anyone :)

I love the KILLAPULT!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on October 24, 2008, 10:47:16 PM
Kit's off his meds again.  :D

damn! where´s me´ down´s ... remember allways to place ´em by me up´s...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on October 24, 2008, 10:58:13 PM
The Hellbringer Prime is actually quite different than the Summoner Prime.

The Hellbringer is best suited for long-range direct fire support, utilizing twin ER PPCs and 3 ER Medium lasers all linked to a Targeting Computer to keep the target at maximum range while delivering deadly accurate fire. Secondary weapons include some anti-personnel machineguns and a Streak-6 pack to exploit armor breaches. It also mounts all sorts of Electronic Warfare equipment designed to neutralize enemy fire as much as possible and make the most of its relatively thin armor. The Hellbringer's only limiting factor is its thin armor, as its primary weaponry is wholey energy based.

The Summoner is best suited as a skirmisher, using its 150 meter jump capacity and long range weapons to fight the foe on its terms before closing in for the kill. It mounts a mix of long-range weapons like the Hellbringer, but it is very heat concious. The ERPPC and LB-10X punch holes into the enemy and then the LRMs and Cluster munitions finish the target off. It is much more suited to drawing fire as it has approximately 37% more armor than the Hellbringer, and therefore can afford to give the enemy a hit or two when it comes in for the killing blow. Unfortunately the Summoner has almost no endurance since roughly 2/3 of its firepower is ammunition based.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on October 25, 2008, 02:05:28 AM
Well at least the Summoner uses the LRM 15 in its Primary Configuration, so it saves a little ammo and allows for slightly longer use (i.e. eight rounds vs six rounds (LRM 20) when carrying 120 missiles).  And as long as there are support facilities nearby that can replenish ammunition, it's nothing that a short refit can't cure.  Of course, if you save your shots and milk them for all it's worth, you'll last a whole lot longer that way too.

Also, since the autocannons were glitchy in MW2, I ended up customizing a variant that replaced the LB-10X with a set of lasers and another ER PPC that worked very well for me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: RED 1 on October 26, 2008, 04:48:04 PM
Bushwacker.............. nuff said!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: RED 1 on October 26, 2008, 04:50:07 PM
... oh and some other tanks, planes, & Mechs to shoot at!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sirius on October 30, 2008, 08:28:53 AM
I've found the Hellbringer best suited for use as a distraction that looks more dangerous than it actually is.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skydance on October 30, 2008, 12:37:01 PM
Doubt it, when's the last time you've seen a 'mech that is less conducive to the survival of its mechwarrior?

This beats the shit out of the Masakari for stupid.

(http://chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/bmaster.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dunedain on October 31, 2008, 02:18:26 AM
Timber Wolf all the way!  :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on October 31, 2008, 05:54:36 AM
Doubt it, when's the last time you've seen a 'mech that is less conducive to the survival of its mechwarrior?

This beats the shit out of the Masakari for stupid.

(http://chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/bmaster.jpg)

GOOD LORD, the size of that cockpit makes it easy even for a blind man to hit it. It's like a gigantic sign - "Hello, I'm a dumbass, please aim at the most vulnerable part of my 'mech, which happens to be the most prominent and easy to hit part of my 'mech!"

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kelembai on October 31, 2008, 11:02:52 AM
i never really understood why mechs needed 'windows' in the first place. Gundams encase the pilot in a 360 virtual reality thingy that projects the outside view around the pilot. more a 3st century technology than cockpits with flimsy glass windows.

i'm just bitching coz i get bored of a lucky Gauss shot punching through my Atlas' cockpit in MegaMek... :-[
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on October 31, 2008, 02:48:59 PM
i never really understood why mechs needed 'windows' in the first place. Gundams encase the pilot in a 360 virtual reality thingy that projects the outside view around the pilot. more a 3st century technology than cockpits with flimsy glass windows.

Actually it probably is new technology.  I remember in Flashpoint (beginning of FedCom Civil War era) there was a warship being built in the Kathil Shipyards that had the bridge in the center of the ship with the view outside projected onto screens resembling windows.  And they described that as being state of the art.

When using virtual imaging to replace direct sight, I feel that even with HD today, it still fails to resemble a true 3D environment that you can feel moving through.  Look at a forest outside, then look at a picture of a forest.  Outside the trees move based on where your sight aims, whereas a picture is fixed in one spot.  You'd have to move the Mech to replicate this with live feed, vs automatically done with vision.

Also, if the virtual imaging failed and you were encased inside the mech, you'd be effectively blind.  I'm sure a failsafe would be installed, such as a blowaway panel to reveal a window, but theoretically it would be small and, if really encased in the mech, it'd be a forward view only.  All this considered, having the commanding view on top outweighs relying on technology to replicate that.  And since, with exception to whatever that mech is above, cockpits tend to be a small target on a mech and if moving, all the harder to hit.  For me it's worth the risk.

As a final argument, they tried that in the Battletech cartoon, and look how good the Image Enhancement turned out ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ToeBall on October 31, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
Actually it probably is new technology.  I remember in Flashpoint (beginning of FedCom Civil War era) there was a warship being built in the Kathil Shipyards that had the bridge in the center of the ship with the view outside projected onto screens resembling windows.  And they described that as being state of the art.

When using virtual imaging to replace direct sight, I feel that even with HD today, it still fails to resemble a true 3D environment that you can feel moving through.  Look at a forest outside, then look at a picture of a forest.  Outside the trees move based on where your sight aims, whereas a picture is fixed in one spot.  You'd have to move the Mech to replicate this with live feed, vs automatically done with vision.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw
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Also, if the virtual imaging failed and you were encased inside the mech, you'd be effectively blind.  I'm sure a failsafe would be installed, such as a blowaway panel to reveal a window, but theoretically it would be small and, if really encased in the mech, it'd be a forward view only.  All this considered, having the commanding view on top outweighs relying on technology to replicate that.  And since, with exception to whatever that mech is above, cockpits tend to be a small target on a mech and if moving, all the harder to hit.  For me it's worth the risk.
So modern tanks are done wrong? They encase the crew completely and there's no way out or, at best, some of the older current tanks may have an escape hatch from underneath. In case of electronic failure (they do use electronics to show the crew what's around them) they have periscopes. Hey, it works.
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As a final argument, they tried that in the Battletech cartoon, and look how good the Image Enhancement turned out ;D
We were gonna do that in MWLL, but decided it'd be better to just make a good mod instead.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on October 31, 2008, 07:25:42 PM
i think some sort of display system in place of actual windows would be best.  Granted you don't need to bury a pilot in the mech to keep him protected.  Ever look at cut aways of a tank, the crew is suprisingly close to the surface and still protected by the heaviest armor, so an ejection system is not out of the question, you just want to put the pilot near the top, shifted to the back, away from the center of mass..  And considering cameras and sensors being as advanced as they are it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to have enough redundancy to have enough cameras and sensors to keep the pilot fed with visual information almost right up until destruction.  And in the event of breakdown, you can always include a sturdy vision block periscope as a backup.

I mean the security that comes with always having 100% relaible means to see is nice, but it'd rather take a .01 chance that i might lose visuals if it means that i can be protected by the heaviest armor.  By the time you'd lose visuals you'd be dead anyway, so i'd always go for monitors over windows any day of the week.  Cause hell, its easier to shoot  for a cockpit than it is to wipe out all possible camera and sensor locations.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on October 31, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
Don't forget that a big part of Mechs is the neurohelmet and its use of the MechWarrior's sense of balance.  Looking at two dimensional screens would severely impact that ability.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on October 31, 2008, 11:21:33 PM
not really, the difference between what you see through a cockpit and through a screen isn't really all that different.  And if it was, go stereoscopic.  Plus having craploads of small cameras & sensors vs a canopy means you don't have to worry about spider cracks and easy pressure loss in hostile enviros.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on October 31, 2008, 11:30:26 PM
We'll agree to disagree about the balance thing.  ;D

Now, a direct neural inject of a stereoscopic view would be fine.  ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on November 01, 2008, 01:10:17 AM
Remember, battlemechs were built back when there were things like Davey Crockett's on the battlefield. It's not going to matter how thick your armor is if you get hit by one of those, but what will matter is if you aren't hit by it and the result EM pulse shorts out all your sensitive cameras and sensors in place of your canopy glass.

Could they have made the cockpit glass smaller, yes, and I think the Vulture is a prime example of a small viewing area that is hard to hit by ground fire. But they also used a lot of Anime inspired designs, some of which weren't mecha at all, but rather powersuits for 'mech sized Zentraedi and such, hence why you have giant helmet battlemechs.

At any rate, that cockpit armor on a mech is pretty hefty, I mean, it can absorb a hit from the main gun of a MBT (AC/10), or multiple impacts from HE rockets (SRMs). The pilot, however, might be chum in a bag, but at least the mech is salvagable.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on November 01, 2008, 01:37:59 AM
Neat video Toeball.  I didn't know 3-D interaction had developed so far as that.

Double checked Flashpoint: apparantly the Davions have about fifteen Avalon-class cruisers, which is the type that has the bridge buried in the ship and the windows replaced with cameras.  From that I assume the technology was new.  Plus the novel was printed in 2001, so such 3D interaction must've been new or theory.

Also, I think it was mentioned in Path of Glory (right before the Ghost Bear/Dragonis Combine war) that mech cockpits did contain 360 camera feed into the cockpit.  Only thing is, the forward and side areas were still available and also primary.

And I'm not saying tanks are flawed.  They can have the armor and window slots/periscope because a crew, vs a single pilot, operates the tank, and communication among the crew and tank group is important to overcome their select viewpoints.  A single pilot would go nuts trying to use all those at once.  And I also wasn't aware they started using cameras and such in tanks.  Recent development?

As for the open, but small, cockpit, I remember from WWII that they improved fighter and scout planes by placing the cockpit higher than the fuselage and also making the windows as wide as possible to increase visibility around the plane.  Plus don't forget it's harder to hit a moving target, and as long as the cockpit was small (i.e. the Vulture that Zeus6S mentioned), the risk of hit would be small and well worth it.

Plus having craploads of small cameras & sensors vs a canopy means you don't have to worry about spider cracks and easy pressure loss in hostile enviros.

In commercial airlines, the windows that stand between you and the atmosphere are a good 10 cm/4 in thick with heavy duty plexiglass to counteract pressure.  I'm sure plexiglass would improve by the 31st century and possibly be thicker for a mech cockpit.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on November 01, 2008, 02:35:54 AM
the plexiglass doesn't bug me, its the pilot only having 9 points of protection that bugs me.  Not a big deal in the 3025 days.  But when you start messing with level 3 tech  and it seems like more weapons do 10 damage and up than not. thats when i feel very very vulnerable.

if it was gonna design a mech, cockpits would be snug as a bug in a rug into the torso, and what we consider a headshot would be the act of literally nailing the area the pilot would have to eject through, or simply managing to land a shot through damaged or destroyed torso armor.

wouldn't look like battletech, just saying thats how i'd design it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Oldjohn on November 02, 2008, 02:48:08 PM
No personal, I liked to try each one just to see if I could master the fire power without getting wasted, I would get out in battle and after a bit the saying think I need a bigger gun would come to mind real quick. Learned the art of hit and run till I wore the other down.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Erkki on November 14, 2008, 08:41:29 AM
As for the open, but small, cockpit, I remember from WWII that they improved fighter and scout planes by placing the cockpit higher than the fuselage and also making the windows as wide as possible to increase visibility around the plane.  Plus don't forget it's harder to hit a moving target, and as long as the cockpit was small (i.e. the Vulture that Zeus6S mentioned), the risk of hit would be small and well worth it.

In WWII the aerial combat was not like it is in +90% of games: relative speeds were very high, and a single machine gun round hitting the engine would knock it out anyways: might not down it, but would, for sure, make the pilot think whether it is smart to continue the fight or not with less than 50% of engine power left(or engine stopped), coolant liquids, oils and fuel leaking a gallon/sec. Imagine that you are flying 600 kmph and you're trying to hit a turning aircraft 500m away from a 90 deg angle: not easy. And thats why most kills were done from dead 6 on unaware planes flying straight. And in those situations the victim would probably get teared in parts.

This guy makes it look 100 times easier than what it really is, with complex flight models: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3HS1UJo5R4&feature=related

The cockpit was raised to give the pilot better visibility while landing - this was, however, only a minor issue in non-carrier borne aircraft. raising the cockpit also adds drag, and so decreases speed.


Now... You would think that in the 31st century they would know how to make transparent materials as tough or tougher than steel, say. Some plastic-ish material... Of course, it would cost more, but protecting the pilot would be important, right? The real view of the outside world would be worth the price, but the pilot should be protected at least as much as the other parts of the mech.

Which mech would I like to see? None! I want to drive a von Luckner tank from MechCommander and snipe poor mechs with my gauss rifle from the cover of a bush.  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Landros Radick on November 14, 2008, 03:39:27 PM
Transparent Aluminum? "Hellloooooo Computer..."
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on November 14, 2008, 04:58:57 PM
Star Trek nerd.

Erkki, the main reason I see that online game do not mimic real world tactics and results is simply due to the fact that there is no real danger.  In WWII a pilot would extend and escape after receiving damage because he would not want to risk death.  In IL-2 there is no such penalty, only having to wait for a mission to be complete.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Erkki on November 14, 2008, 05:32:58 PM
A 20 minute death kickban works well.  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Razgriz5555 on November 16, 2008, 07:15:11 AM
I don't know how many of you are familiar with a mech from MGS called Metal Gear Rex, and why it met its demise. For those who are unfamiliar with it, Rex was a mech capable of launching an undetectable nuclear warhead using a type of gauss cannon. Its composite armor was impregnable to conventional weapons, and the cockpit was sealed off, with the pilot operating through a VR display fed by a dozen or so sensors located on a radome on the mech's left shoulder. The radome itself was lightly armored to ensure maximum sensory input, so a couple of Stinger missiles on it, effectively destroyed them leaving the pilot blind inside. The pilot then had to open the cockpit and use his own built in sensory array (eyes and ears), leaving the mech's mainframe computer (if not himself) open to attack. This was the exact fashion in which the mech's prototype was destroyed by a single man with a Stinger launcher.
Back in the MW universe, 90% of advanced tech was being bombed to hell during the succession wars, and so manufacturers had to resort to more traditional methods of sensory input, such as armored glass cockpits. Note that while the cockpit is a more visible target than one mounted inside a torso (which can't be done anyways, or the pilot will die from the heat generated in there), the glass used has the same armor rating as a dropship's bulkhead (at least it did in the PnP version of the game).
That said, add the factors of low cost compared to a sensor suite, tonnage saving, ease of maintenance, and at least another 95793285729847520947623457 reasons having to do with battlefield practicality vs japanimation, and you can surely understand why BT mechs still carry normal cockpits. 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tzuwolf on November 16, 2008, 05:57:42 PM
My vote would be   The Linebacker

The Linebacker was designed to eventually replace the Timber Wolf in the touman of Clan Wolf when it was found that the venerable design could not keep pace with its Starmates in running battles, which could, of course, limit its effectiveness during the invasion of the Inner Sphere. The Linebacker has found a home within Clan Wolf in Exile and is tolerated by the Crusader Wolves because of their need for equipment. The Linebacker is built on a lightweight Type W4 Endo Steel chassis, which carries a powerful Heavy Force 390 XL Engine, giving the 'Mech a top speed of 97.2 km/h. The Linebacker is protected by a respectable ten tons of Composite A-4 Ferro-Fibrous armor. The Linebacker also has seventeen and a half tons of pod space, which allows the 'Mech to carry a variety of effective payloads. Overall, the Linebacker is an effective OmniMech capable of keeping up with most medium 'Mechs while bringing a good amount of firepower to a battle.

Armament
In its primary configuration the Linebacker is configured for long range combat, with two powerful ER PPCs for its primary firepower, as they can reach a target at long range and are each capable of vaporizing almost a full ton of standard armor. These are backed up by an LRM-5 launcher for long range missile bombardment. For close combat, the Linebacker Prime carries a light arsenal of a highly accurate Streak SRM-4 launcher and an ER Small Laser.

Alternate Configurations
Alt Config. A - Configured similarly to the Timber Wolf Prime, the Linebacker A carries, as its primary long-range weapons, a pair of ER Large Lasers that are backed up by an LRM-5 launcher and LRM-15 launcher, both of which allow the Linebacker to bombard its target at long range. For close combat, the 'Mech carries two ER Medium Lasers.

Alt Config. B - The Linebacker B is a sniper configuration. The 'Mech carries a powerful Gauss Rifle for fearsome long range hitting power. For close combat, the 'Mech has three ER Medium Lasers and a single ER Small Laser.

Alt Config. C - An all-around trooper configuration, the Linebacker C has weapons which allow the 'Mech to engage an enemy effectively at any range. For long ranges, the 'Mech is armed with an Ultra Autocannon/5 and a single ER Large Laser. For close combat, the 'Mech has four ER Medium Lasers, one of which is rear mounted. To keep the 'Mech from being attacked by unarmored infantry it has two Machine Guns, one of which is mounted in the rear arc and a rear mounted Flamer.

Alt Config. D - The Linebacker D is a committed close combat configuration with four highly accurate Streak SRM-6 launchers providing an overwhelming close range missile barrage and two ER Medium Lasers and a rear mounted ER Small Laser making it a ferocious short range brawler-until it runs out of ammunition.

Alt Config. E - An extremely flexible configuration, the Linebacker E has an ER Large Laser as its primary long range weapon. This is backed up by a pair of ATM-6 launchers which are capable of firing ammunition for long, medium, and short ranges which have increasing warhead payloads as the ranges close. Additionally, the 'Mech carries a Light Active Probe to allow it to detect hidden enemy units.

Alt Config. H - Another close range configuration, the Linebacker H is armed with a pair of powerful Heavy Large Lasers which have a great deal of hitting power. These are backed up by a pair of ER Medium Lasers and a single ER Small Laser. The 'Mech also has six jump jets that allow it to jump up to one hundred and eighty meters.




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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on November 17, 2008, 01:51:20 AM
I don't know how many of you are familiar with a mech from MGS called Metal Gear Rex, and why it met its demise. For those who are unfamiliar with it, Rex was a mech capable of launching an undetectable nuclear warhead using a type of gauss cannon. Its composite armor was impregnable to conventional weapons, and the cockpit was sealed off, with the pilot operating through a VR display fed by a dozen or so sensors located on a radome on the mech's left shoulder. The radome itself was lightly armored to ensure maximum sensory input, so a couple of Stinger missiles on it, effectively destroyed them leaving the pilot blind inside. The pilot then had to open the cockpit and use his own built in sensory array (eyes and ears), leaving the mech's mainframe computer (if not himself) open to attack. This was the exact fashion in which the mech's prototype was destroyed by a single man with a Stinger launcher.
Back in the MW universe, 90% of advanced tech was being bombed to hell during the succession wars, and so manufacturers had to resort to more traditional methods of sensory input, such as armored glass cockpits. Note that while the cockpit is a more visible target than one mounted inside a torso (which can't be done anyways, or the pilot will die from the heat generated in there), the glass used has the same armor rating as a dropship's bulkhead (at least it did in the PnP version of the game).
That said, add the factors of low cost compared to a sensor suite, tonnage saving, ease of maintenance, and at least another 95793285729847520947623457 reasons having to do with battlefield practicality vs japanimation, and you can surely understand why BT mechs still carry normal cockpits. 

i never cared much for MGS's story.  Why would you need a mech to launch an undetectable railgun nuke?  The weapon itself is fine and dandy i guess, but what possible reason do you need to attach it to an oversize complex bipedal platform?  If anything you'd probably want to mount it on something that could be easily airdropped and recovered, or on a submarine. 

And as far as "advanced electronics" getting ruined are concerned.  I don't buy it.  We can manufacture fusion engines, neuro helmets, and particle projection cannons till we are blue in the face but somehow the technical aspects behind linking a camera and a monitor eludes us?

Face it, its rule of cool and not much else.  Might as well try defending why star wars has slow motion projectile lasers, air resistance in space, how ugly sentient bears can out perform a proper military, and why a super star destroyer would have a bridge that could be easily crashed into by an a-wing.

not trying to be mean, just calling things as i see it.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on November 17, 2008, 02:49:12 AM
FlyingDebris is right, why are we arguing about realism in a game with walkers as the "kings of the battlefield"?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on November 19, 2008, 12:10:13 AM
Hahah, yeah realism and BT don't mesh well. Bipedal weapons platforms are absolutely 100% unnecessary and unrealistic to begin with - nevermind the rest.


Yet, BT is surprisingly cool! Just because a concept is unrealistic doesn't mean it isn't absolutely made of win.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on November 19, 2008, 01:25:04 AM
Hahah, yeah realism and BT don't mesh well. Bipedal weapons platforms are absolutely 100% unnecessary and unrealistic to begin with - nevermind the rest.


Yet, BT is surprisingly cool! Just because a concept is unrealistic doesn't mean it isn't absolutely made of win.

I'm tempted to agree with you, but then I remember the words of Julius Frontinius who, in the first century, said "I will ignore all ideas for new works and engines of war, the invention of which has reached its limits and for whose improvement I see no further hope."

Don't forget, we still have 500 years to meet FASA's deadlines as far as first Battlemech is concerned.  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Landros Radick on November 19, 2008, 02:12:56 AM
Since it was being discussed just last page, I thought this was pretty appropriate: http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/11/17/fujitsu-laboratories-develops-real-time-wraparound-views-for-vehicles/
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on November 19, 2008, 02:20:19 AM
Hahah, yeah realism and BT don't mesh well. Bipedal weapons platforms are absolutely 100% unnecessary and unrealistic to begin with - nevermind the rest.


Yet, BT is surprisingly cool! Just because a concept is unrealistic doesn't mean it isn't absolutely made of win.

It's actually not as unrealistic as you think.  Any platform with legs has a fundamental mobility advantage over systems with more conventional platforms because they can traverse broken terrain like mountains much more easily.  They can also carry just as much firepower and armor as a wheeled or tracked vehicle, so they do have significant advantages in some situations.  However, the biggest issue with fielding a walker would most likely be cost because the price of the leg parts would most likely be significantly more than the cost of a conventional engine and the associated wheels or treads.

A bipedal walker would almost certainly not be the first design attempt for combat because of its inherent instability, but it does have some other advantages.  A 6 legged platform on the other hand is an incredibly stable platform because it allows you to effectively plant one stable tripod while you move the other tripod, so it is a much easier system to design and build while you figure out how everything needs to work.

The primary advantages of the bipedal platform are its inherent instability which allows it to more easily preform maneuvers that would be extremely difficult or impossible on a more stable platform, and with a neural interface and full joint flexibility experienced human pilots could naturally direct the machine into extremely complex maneuvers.  Depending on the design, these could be made to include things like some martial arts or free running, but to allow this kind of flexibility could make it difficult to mount and control weapon systems and the applications for this are limited so it would most likely not be useful in combat, although it could have some utility on a scout design.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on November 19, 2008, 04:18:10 AM
I'm tempted to agree with you, but then I remember the words of Julius Frontinius who, in the first century, said "I will ignore all ideas for new works and engines of war, the invention of which has reached its limits and for whose improvement I see no further hope."

Don't forget, we still have 500 years to meet FASA's deadlines as far as first Battlemech is concerned.  ;D

True enough, but bipedal platforms have huge weaknesses and are an overly expensive method of mounting weaponry. A bipedal platform is prone to loss of balance from various things (impact of projectiles, awkward footing, extreme environmental conditions, explosive blasts, and most importantly they are able to be tripped).  In addition to the instability of a bipedal platform, you have design problems that arise from mounting weaponry; how do you distribute the ammunition and mount the weapon so that A.) the 'mech is not too top heavy and B.) the recoil from firing some weapons will not send the mech momentarily off balance and cause a potentially dangerous situation.  In all seriousness, 'mech designs would be time consuming and costly because of the incredibly large amount of time that would be spent verifying that the 'mech was combat capable and not prone to losing its balance due to normal operation. Look at battletech - 'mechs get HORRIBLY torn up and are able to function. Without some of the technology in the BT universe, 'mechs would certainly respond poorly damage sustained during combat operations.

The best way to not have to deal with all of these questions is to simply use a more conventional platform for weapons which is most likely what will happen.

Like I said, it fails to diminish the awesomeness of battlemechs as a concept, but it does seem to point against their practical use in combat.


Diablo, you're right -but those technological innovations are essential for a bipedal platform to be a practical tool. So while it is possible to envision a world with bipedal walkers packing weapons provided that you have fusion reactors, myomers and neurohelmets, it's incredibly impractical to think of a bipedal platform as economical or useful today.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Whiplash on November 19, 2008, 04:55:00 AM
Well I'm pretty sure mech's stay upright by advanced electronic software making sure to compensate for anything that could fapp it over.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on November 19, 2008, 05:01:14 AM
Ninja-To, Hatamoto-Chi, Naginata, No-Dachi, and the Ha-Otoko.  I loved DC mechs, mostly because I love ppcs and their mix of ppcs and speed on alot of their mechs.  I loved using NJT and Naginata's in megamek, good ole C3 system and a good mix of fast NJTs with PPCs and a long range missile platform, Naginata.  And No-Dachi's are beastly looking for short range combat.
(http://www.chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/ninja-to.jpg)
(http://www.chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/hatamoto_chi.jpg)
(http://www.chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/naginata.jpg)
(http://www.chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/no-dachi.jpg)
(http://www.chaosmarch.com/images/mechs/haotoko.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on November 19, 2008, 05:46:06 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot what this topic was for originally :D.  Since I forgot when I first posted my wish list:
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/6/62/Grizzly.jpg)
The Grizzly: one of my favorite mechs from Ghost Bear's Legacy.

@Skunker:

I am aware of the impracticalities currently of developing successful and economical battlemechs, and know how convenient fusion reactors and neurohelmets are.  All I'm saying is, given a century or two of research, the technology could become known/feesible, and then we could have Battlemechs dominating the galaxy.  Given all of history's predictions of the pinnacle of technology, I conclude that it's premature to write off Battlemechs from ever existing.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on November 19, 2008, 06:19:01 AM
the biggest hurdle is the power source for a mech, we've already got some devices that monitor certain brainwaves, google brainwave controlled games or something like that (it's out there), so they're experimenting with that stuff and with a bit of research you could probably find if there are brainwaves for your sense of balance.

anyway, back on subject.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on November 19, 2008, 08:44:39 AM
Diablo, you're right -but those technological innovations are essential for a bipedal platform to be a practical tool. So while it is possible to envision a world with bipedal walkers packing weapons provided that you have fusion reactors, myomers and neurohelmets, it's incredibly impractical to think of a bipedal platform as economical or useful today.

That was a fundamental part of what I was trying to say, but I was posting when I had to go so I didn't have enough time to clarify that.  I was mostly trying to point out that it is possible, but it will naturally take a lot of time and research to get to, and originate with 6 legged designs because they are much more stable which makes them easier to work with as a starting point.

As for balance, I would think that it shouldn't be too hard to deal with the recoil of your own weapons after minimal training because it is predictable so you can brace for the shot as you make it so there is no problem there.  Incoming fire on the other hand could cause problems in high enough volume, but with a fully functional machine it wouldn't be a serious issue.  This is reflected in game by the system of having 'Mechs have a chance of falling over if they take enough fire, and they will have more trouble with that if they have taken damage to critical balance components.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MechPredator on November 23, 2008, 09:55:21 PM
Could be fun:

A PAC T-39 Bogatyr (BF 2142) as a very weak, cheap and small infantry/support-mech.

just as a tribute...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: puttster3 on November 25, 2008, 04:14:25 AM
I have been someone more fond of humanoid mechs usually, and one that I would like to see is the Centurion. Even more then that I want to see the Black Knight. Maybe in a mix between these two pictures:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/puttster3/blackknighttuff.jpg)(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/puttster3/12mechwarrior4blackknight6ar.jpg) On the left we have a 70 tonner, and on the right we have one that is missing the right arm, but usually about 75 tonnes.


Oh, and if used, please give jump jets. (I barely ever land ontop of a mech, and those are accidental ones. I go more of shooting down and turning after dazing my opponent.)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on November 25, 2008, 05:55:58 AM
Could be fun:

A PAC T-39 Bogatyr (BF 2142) as a very weak, cheap and small infantry/support-mech.

just as a tribute...
I tribute to what? BF2142's suckage?   :-X  if I never have to see another BF game again I'll be happy, they lost the coolness of the franchise after BF1942.  :'( :'( :'( And I think there was a conversation talking about how they would likely break their non-commercial license agreement by adding custom mechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DruidChiken on November 25, 2008, 08:13:08 AM
Well they have aready included my all time favourite mech the Uziel.. first mech i ever used in MW4 Multiplay :)

But i would love to see a FireStarter 35 tons of Fun, brings back memories of MechCommander :P

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MechPredator on November 25, 2008, 09:23:47 AM
Could be fun:

A PAC T-39 Bogatyr (BF 2142) as a very weak, cheap and small infantry/support-mech.

just as a tribute...
I tribute to what? BF2142's suckage?   :-X  if I never have to see another BF game again I'll be happy, they lost the coolness of the franchise after BF1942.  :'( :'( :'( And I think there was a conversation talking about how they would likely break their non-commercial license agreement by adding custom mechs.

Why do you think it's going to be a cheap 'n weak mech? So you can fire your aggression as a bf2142 hater at those mechs!  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on November 26, 2008, 08:10:52 AM
Could be fun:

A PAC T-39 Bogatyr (BF 2142) as a very weak, cheap and small infantry/support-mech.

just as a tribute...
I tribute to what? BF2142's suckage?   :-X  if I never have to see another BF game again I'll be happy, they lost the coolness of the franchise after BF1942.  :'( :'( :'( And I think there was a conversation talking about how they would likely break their non-commercial license agreement by adding custom mechs.

Why do you think it's going to be a cheap 'n weak mech? So you can fire your aggression as a bf2142 hater at those mechs!  ;D

Naw ´cause BF2141 was a cheap substitute for BF2!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MechPredator on November 26, 2008, 10:51:00 AM
true, but I played it for a long time :shame: :-\ :shame:
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on November 26, 2008, 12:56:43 PM
I still play it every now and then just as BF2. I have yet to find any other games that keep my attention for such an extended period of time.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Defender on November 26, 2008, 02:26:30 PM
Anything after bf1942 and desert combat is made of phail.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on November 26, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
i'll admit, i played that game just to get my mech fix, i feel so dirty
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on November 26, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
I can only repeat my almost unconditional love for BF2 and 2142. If I was to design a multiplayer game from scratch, I'd be "taking a lot of inspirations" from these two.
The squad system, the commander function, the precise VoIP-system, the order system, the complementary class system... from BF2142 in addition for example the NetBat-system and so on.
DICE did an awesome job in creating and designing these games and their features.

Yes, they failed epically at product and community support, but the design of these two games is superior and unrivaled.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MechPredator on November 26, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
AoP, what's your game nickname for bf2142? Mine is Helimedic.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on November 26, 2008, 06:13:16 PM
the way they implemented teamwork into the game design was pretty well handled, just wish they'd have finally started adding some depth to the vehicles, that titan battles weren't such a buggy pain, and that the art direction wasn't so incredibly bland.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PanzerBoxb on November 26, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
Yes, BF2/2142 had some great game mechanics but overall the products were so hobbled by other shortcomings that I just could not play them for any length of time.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on November 26, 2008, 07:04:03 PM
oh, but some of the game mechanics like AA and some of the medic stuff was really bad.  I did love the size of maps where I could pick people off from about 400m away with my sniper rifle, but then sometimes they'd just get revived again, even though they just took one to the face :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xKamikazex on November 26, 2008, 07:10:23 PM
oh, but some of the game mechanics like AA and some of the medic stuff was really bad.  I did love the size of maps where I could pick people off from about 400m away with my sniper rifle, but then sometimes they'd just get revived again, even though they just took one to the face :P

Yeah! Ninja Rez! It was an art man... truly :D.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TimoBlastem on November 26, 2008, 08:18:38 PM
That's why 1942 is forever the win.   8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on November 26, 2008, 11:42:18 PM
oh, but some of the game mechanics like AA and some of the medic stuff was really bad.  I did love the size of maps where I could pick people off from about 400m away with my sniper rifle, but then sometimes they'd just get revived again, even though they just took one to the face :P

Yeah! Ninja Rez! It was an art man... truly :D.
well, being able to piece a guy's head back together after it got hit by a .50 cal, oh yea if that's not an art, idk what is.  Albeit a very bullshit art for the most part.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on November 27, 2008, 12:34:38 AM
oh, but some of the game mechanics like AA and some of the medic stuff was really bad.  I did love the size of maps where I could pick people off from about 400m away with my sniper rifle, but then sometimes they'd just get revived again, even though they just took one to the face :P

Yeah! Ninja Rez! It was an art man... truly :D.
well, being able to piece a guy's head back together after it got hit by a .50 cal, oh yea if that's not an art, idk what is.  Albeit a very bullshit art for the most part.

In many aspects, BF2 put entertaining gameplay over realism, that's why still an average of 12-15k people play it at any time of the day - more than 3 years after launch.
The gameplay experience when going with a good squad simply let you ignore all the shortcomings.
I know a lot of people including myself who'd pay a lot to experience something like that again.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on November 27, 2008, 12:52:14 AM
The gameplay experience when going with a good squad simply let you ignore all the shortcomings.
I know a lot of people including myself who'd pay a lot to experience something like that again.

I hope that that is exactly the feeling We will get when MWLL launches, pure fun gaming with the Squad/Commander element at it´s main focus, and securing the objectives thrue solid team work. BF2 is sadly one of the only FSP´ I have played where that could be archived (even on unranked servers).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on November 27, 2008, 03:39:47 AM
I like the squads deal, but I use teamspeak anyway, so it's no problem for me to coordinate movements in say CoD4 with my buddy.  I think it's fairly safe to say that he started at least one of the spec ops like strats in BF2, it was really fun playing it before people started to hack it on the servers that I enjoyed playing on, or they just followed me, idk, but it got bad.  But I really do enjoy squad based stuff, and that is something I really would like to do in this, so I can't wait to lead a point or lance of BA to ambush a mech and tear em down!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: puttster3 on November 27, 2008, 03:47:45 AM
I think that some of the more popular ones are the Black Knight, the Daishi, Fafnir, and the Jager Mech. Also Wolf Hound, and some Draconis ones.

How about the Black Knight gets started first ;D

FYI: if I missed some, please say, but I was going by what ones were said the most in wants, so don't just say one to be included just because you want it in.

PS: I stopped playing since Punk Buster went wack. Can't get a full game. The only thing I can think of for why it could possible keep me as a high target is the fact that I would do sabotage, though how I did it was what should be considered legal. Like uncloaking where a hover tank will be having its rear facing me while its strafing, and quickly planting two C4's on its rear. With no speed hacks and such. Just calculating skill (mind you, that skill often failed me in such cases).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Nick on December 04, 2008, 09:57:13 PM
Cauldron would be good.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tharnow on December 04, 2008, 11:04:56 PM
My favorite mech is already ingame: Summoner/Thor.

However, i really like energy weapons. Energy weapons are, for me, the workhorse of a good mech. If i use ammo-based weapons, they have to be weapons i use rarely - short range, heavy punch.

I really hope there will be a variant with lots of energy weapons.



Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Zell'kai Inja on December 04, 2008, 11:34:09 PM
AVATAR!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skunker on December 05, 2008, 12:49:07 AM
Anything after bf1942 and desert combat is made of phail.

Of course, but 1942 and DC were absolute win. I still remember the days of DC, I played for hours and hours and hours. That mod was just too awesome to stop playing.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on December 05, 2008, 12:53:56 AM
this will be better.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spoffs on March 09, 2009, 05:45:10 PM
Mad cat, timberwolf, cauldron born, vulture, daishi, shadowcat, supernova, blackhawk, thor, loki
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 09, 2009, 05:49:32 PM
Mad cat, timberwolf, cauldron born, vulture, daishi, shadowcat, supernova, blackhawk, thor, loki
Most of those MWLL already has.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rejor on March 09, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
you do realize that the mad cat and timber wolf are one and the same? ^.^

I like the Mad Dog as well as the Summoner. For IS, I'm looking forward to the Bushwhacker. Maybe a Shootist.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 09, 2009, 11:07:12 PM
I still want my crusader.  I am hoping that the beloved devs will stick one in later.

But thank you soooo much for the Marauder. :D  I love that one too.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on March 10, 2009, 01:10:11 AM
Crusader = M3* Device

*Macross Missile Massacre - 2 LRM-15s and 2 SRM-6s. God help you if you have a hole in your armor, because the Crusader will find it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 10, 2009, 01:23:04 AM
I still want my crusader.  I am hoping that the beloved devs will stick one in later.

But thank you soooo much for the Marauder. :D  I love that one too.
I would like to see the Cursader but NOT the shootist. I dont like the shootist.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guillotine on March 10, 2009, 01:24:36 AM
Crusader = M3* Device

*Macross Missile Massacre - 2 LRM-15s and 2 SRM-6s. God help you if you have a hole in your armor, because the Crusader will find it.


The newer crusader is even worse. A pair of MRM-30s.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 10, 2009, 02:21:49 AM
Crusader = M3* Device

*Macross Missile Massacre - 2 LRM-15s and 2 SRM-6s. God help you if you have a hole in your armor, because the Crusader will find it.

Its what endeared me to that old 'mech, pick a range, any range, your going to feel it, the MRM version is a welcome line 'mech too  8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 10, 2009, 02:43:43 AM
2 MRM 30's are deadly.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Nick on March 10, 2009, 02:52:11 AM
2 MRM 30's are deadly.

No need for heavy weapons. As once said, "The pen is mightier than the sword". Of course, unless you have one bigass sword...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lupo on March 10, 2009, 04:47:31 AM
Crusader's kid brother......... Dervish.

2 LRM 10's and 2 SRM 2's and JJ's.... bouncing missile platform.

Lupo

2 med lasers too...... I know
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 10, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
2 MRM 30's are deadly.

No need for heavy weapons. As once said, "The pen is mightier than the sword". Of course, unless you have one bigass sword...

Or the pen runs out of ink ;)

@Lupo, never did like the Dervish, it never really felt right for me, donno why as I've a fond spot for many 'mechs with similar loadouts.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PapaFade on March 10, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
Or the pen runs out of ink ;)


Although you will forgoe the option of blood poisoning, a stab in the eye with an empty pen will still ruin ur day :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 10, 2009, 02:39:14 PM
OOoo, forgot the ol' workhorse Dervish.  Yep, he was pretty good too.  Great alternative if you couldn't afford a Crusader.  Kinda oogly lookin' mech, but did a great job.  I also agree re. the shootist.  Never really did much for me.

Had no idea they slapped MRM30's on a crusader.  Pretty nasty, but I think I still prefer the spread on the old one. :)  It was also really heat efficient, even by old rules standards.  You could dish out lots of pain and still run fairly cool.  The fun part was getting them in that sweet spot at six hexes away, when you could unload both missile racks with a reasonable chance of hitting with everything.  You'd heat up like a toaster, but not many mechs enjoyed getting 42 missiles lobbed at them.  Of course 60 MRMs would be even worser.

Did the crusader keep the two MLasers and MGs in the new version?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 10, 2009, 04:02:03 PM
In addition to the twin MRM30s the 5K keeps the 2 medium lasers, drops the 2 mguns and adds a pair of medium pulse, its quite a nice design IMO.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 10, 2009, 04:15:05 PM
Still weapons in the Legs?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 10, 2009, 04:19:10 PM
Still weapons in the Legs?

I don't think so as it was a Kuritan complete rebuild, haven't played CBT with the 5K so never seen the sheet so I might be wrong, but the 5K in NBT-HC used the new Crusader Profile (a pity as I preferred the old one) and its legs were weapon free :(

EDIT: Just checked out the Project Phoenix TRO and no leg weapons....oh well...it does have JJs added though and C3 Slave, so thats something :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 10, 2009, 04:54:08 PM
well, at least he does not have 2 MPULS with rear firing arc IN THE FEET . .
who the fapp designs this shit anyway?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 10, 2009, 05:36:08 PM
If the pen ran out of ink you could just stab someone in the neck like in red eye.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: hzdriver on March 10, 2009, 06:00:37 PM
i like the MadCat with 4 PPCs , thats hevy
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 10, 2009, 06:14:46 PM
as long as it's hot, no problem . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: longlive289s on March 10, 2009, 08:11:12 PM
hey all new to the forum
thanks devs for all the hard work

doubt these would show up for want these just for nostalgic reasons

IS Rifleman (first mech i ever piloted...tear)
Stalker (lol...its an egg with feet)
Battlemaster (i mean the old original one....with the huge oval cockpit)
Hatchatman (wasn't the Hatchatman Prince Davion's lead mech? Loved wacking other mechs with the hatchet in battletech)
Sentinel

Most of the ones i've wanted that are newer im seeing are coming out, marauder, madcat mkII, raven

Edit: oops....i was thinking of adam steiner piloting the axman....w/e close enough :P
 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bcbear on March 12, 2009, 05:40:40 AM
Hmmm, I think the most annoying of all mechs should be added to the game :P
The Flea, and/or the Firemoth
Always liked the shape of the Firemoth, nevermind the speed :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: lessergod on March 12, 2009, 07:44:08 AM
The Rifleman was always an interesting mech imo. I bet the Devs could make it look wicked.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 12, 2009, 12:03:21 PM
To be honest I know they are limited at what they can do but I would love to see some of my favourites there ...

Light Mechs :
Panther

Medium Mechs :
Vindicator
Centurion
Hunchback

Heavy Mechs :
Definately the Rifleman (original version :P)
Archer
blacknight

Assault Mechs :
Victor
Battlemaster
Thug
Highlander

Oh and pleaaaase base the model of the original 3025 tro for the commando, the 3050 one looks chubby fatkid (for that matter the first iterations from Loose are far superior to any other drawings I've seen :P).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TheDarkPreacher on March 13, 2009, 12:33:52 AM

Definitely the Madcat MKII, Id be nice to have some classic mechs like the Locust and Chameleon around too
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 13, 2009, 12:56:12 AM
My most hated mech would have to be the cyclops just because its so ugly and it looks awful and its ugly. please dont put in the cyclops. but i would like to see the spider.
and the kodiak.....oh wait  :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 13, 2009, 01:31:17 AM
Most hated?  Wow, that's an interesting question.  Hm...

At first blush I'd have to say the Ostscout, which had NO weapons.  But then it was loaded with the best surveillance gear in the IS at the time, so it's not too bad when you think about it.  It was the best available before the Raven.

I was never really a fan of the Ostroc/Ostsol although they did the job.  They just looked funky to me.  I'll actually have to do some thinking about that.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 13, 2009, 02:09:40 AM
They look a little like the victor
Compare
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ostscout
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Victor
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: hzdriver on March 13, 2009, 08:09:13 AM
A Blackjack with great range is nice ,or
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: longlive289s on March 13, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
another good one (newer but still good)
King Crab....theirs a couple times in battletech where i was outnumbered against a bunch of med's and took em down with that. ran outta ammo but finished up with the lasers
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 13, 2009, 08:09:05 PM
A Blackjack with great range is nice ,or
Also with a fast speed of 60 KPH  :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Smackweasel on March 16, 2009, 01:58:05 AM
Phoniex Hawk L.A.M  - I always had a soft spot for them since i saw them, then some naughty clanners blow  up their factories pahhh :(
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 02:52:26 AM
We have already discussed about LAM's and they will NOT be in MWLL. Sorry.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: longlive289s on March 16, 2009, 03:00:06 AM
We have already discussed about LAM's and they will NOT be in MWLL. Sorry.
beat me too it
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on March 16, 2009, 03:05:53 AM
We have already discussed about LAM's and they will NOT be in MWLL. Sorry.

9 pages of discussion so far to be precise.  If you want to look over what has been said the thread is here:

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html

I made it a while back when I made my transforming LAM model with Autodesk Inventor.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 03:16:51 AM
We have already discussed about LAM's and they will NOT be in MWLL. Sorry.
beat me too it
I am just tooooooooooooooo quick. ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 13th Fear on March 16, 2009, 02:02:42 PM
I would have to say the urban mech, just cause I love shooting at trash cans.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 16, 2009, 04:18:51 PM
I guess my most unfavorite mech would have to be the blackjack.  I alway considered it woefully undergunned and underarmored.  They can perform well in a support role, especially considering the old 3025 era when they were one of the few mechs designed to shoot down aerospace fighters, but for the money you had to spend on one, there are a zillion other mechs that just seemed better.  Heck, the Jagermechs weren't that great either, but again they made fair fire-support and anti-aerospace mechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 05:18:36 PM
I guess my most unfavorite mech would have to be the blackjack.  I alway considered it woefully undergunned and underarmored.  They can perform well in a support role, especially considering the old 3025 era when they were one of the few mechs designed to shoot down aerospace fighters, but for the money you had to spend on one, there are a zillion other mechs that just seemed better.  Heck, the Jagermechs weren't that great either, but again they made fair fire-support and anti-aerospace mechs.
In the 3050 technical readout the jagermech only had 6.5 tons of armor. very very weak.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 16, 2009, 05:23:15 PM
Yep.  Never saw much use for them either.  Dunno why they were alway called 'one of Davion's favorite mechs', but maybe it was a Davion variant that had less suck installed at the factory.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 05:28:42 PM
Yep.  Never saw much use for them either.  Dunno why they were alway called 'one of Davion's favorite mechs', but maybe it was a Davion variant that had less suck installed at the factory.
1 thing you should learn about the jagermech.......It sucks and always will.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 16, 2009, 05:31:04 PM
Sort of like dental surgery?  No matter how you sugar coat it, it's still ten pounds of pain turds.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
Also the black jack......for 45 or 50 tons even tho it was slow it had alot of firepower. Not enough to take on bigger mechs but enough to easily destroy other mechs the same size.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 16, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
Not sure if anything changed later on, but the old 3025 version couldn't hold a candle to a Phoenix Hawk at least in the tabletop game.  They did have an advantage over stuff like the hunchback though.  If it could stay out of range, it would pepper the enemy to eventual death, especially considering the ammo it carried.  But if an enemy was able to get close, they were dead meat, and many mechs in its class were more maneuverable, even counting the jump jets.  Even the lighter Hermes II usually won, since it had more punch at decent range and could run rings around the BJ.  Four medium lasers were fairly good for close range combat, but a lot of mechs had better.  The weight sacrificed to the AC2's just didn't justify the tradeoff in damage, except in very rare circumstances.  They also didn't seem to have very heavy armor.

Just IMO, the Blackjack wasn't a mech I liked using. :)

I'm referring to the old 3025 BJ, btw, not the omni one.  The omni version was SERIOUSLY beefed up, and a very respectable medium mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 06:09:46 PM
In the 3050 the black jack had two lager lasers, 4 Steak SRM 2's and 120 M jump capacity. This one had a armor factor of 8.5 tons. 45 ton mech.
And in the 3058 it had 2 Ultra AC 5's, 4 Medium lasers, 4 MG's, and 120  M jump capacity. This one had a armor factor of 9.5 tons.  50 ton mech.
And they both had the speed of 65 KPH
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 16, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
Those were much more better. :D I especially like the 3058 version with the ultra AC/5's!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: longlive289s on March 16, 2009, 07:51:02 PM
jagermech in mechcommander 2 was awesome. in the table top game....ya it was worthless
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 16, 2009, 08:12:44 PM
I've never play the table top game or mechcommander so i dont know how good they were.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: longlive289s on March 16, 2009, 10:48:12 PM
I've never play the table top game or mechcommander so i dont know how good they were.
you can dl mc gold and mc 2 from microsoft site. works fine on xp and vista.....DO IT!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 16, 2009, 11:09:59 PM
I've never play the table top game or mechcommander so i dont know how good they were.
you can dl mc gold and mc 2 from microsoft site. works fine on xp and vista.....DO IT!

I do highly recommend MC sir.  I think you would find it very enjoyable, even if dated.  Sadly, I cannot get it to work yet on my Vista Virus infected PC. :(  I keep trying tho.  The tabletop game is highly addictive strategy play, but I warn you that getting into THAT will set you back more money than a good crack habit.  Those lil' metal miniatures get SPENSIVE.  Not nearly as bad as 40k minis, but you will still find them eating through your bank account faster than Pugsley through a pallet of flavored lingerie.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DannyDoo on March 17, 2009, 07:16:11 AM
hmm..since i've played from MW:4 and everything after...here would be my dream list

Nova Cat.

Mad Cat.

Mad Cat Mk II.

Uller.

Chimera.

Long Bow.

Shadow Cat.

Puma.

Raven.

Owens.

Bush Wacker.

Uzeil.

Kodiak.

Hunchback.

Dragon.

Sunder.

Thor.

Atlas.

Blood Asp.

Daishi.

Hell Hound.

Loki.

Thanatos.

Masakari.

Argus.

Cougar.

Highlander.

Zeus.

Fafnir.

Atlas.

Templar.

Flea.

Black Knight.

Catapult.

Cauldron born.

Hell Spawn.

Mauler.

Hauptmann.

Vulture.

Victor.

Ryoken.

Hollander.

Lao Hu.

Sha yu.

Urban Mech.

annnnd thats about all i can remember.

If i got any names wrong let me know.... and yeah..tis a pretty long list.

and i do appreciate the devs having most of these mechs in the game.


Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gray Death on March 17, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
You forgot the Cyclops.  8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 17, 2009, 09:42:10 PM
hmm..since i've played from MW:4 and everything after...here would be my dream list

Nova Cat.

Mad Cat.

Mad Cat Mk II.

Uller.

Chimera.

Long Bow.

Shadow Cat.

Puma.

Raven.

Owens.

Bush Wacker.

Uzeil.

Kodiak.

Hunchback.

Dragon.

Sunder.

Thor.

Atlas.

Blood Asp.

Daishi.

Hell Hound.

Loki.

Thanatos.

Masakari.

Argus.

Cougar.

Highlander.

Zeus.

Fafnir.

Atlas.

Templar.

Flea.

Black Knight.

Catapult.

Cauldron born.

Hell Spawn.

Mauler.

Hauptmann.

Vulture.

Victor.

Ryoken.

Hollander.

Lao Hu.

Sha yu.

Urban Mech.

annnnd thats about all i can remember.

If i got any names wrong let me know.... and yeah..tis a pretty long list.

and i do appreciate the devs having most of these mechs in the game.



You have quite the dream list  :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cowking on March 17, 2009, 10:22:20 PM
 ;) Can I haz fire falcon? :D (in response to extremely long post I shall make a extremely simple and short one... maybe too simple...  ::))
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DannyDoo on March 17, 2009, 11:29:38 PM
 :D haha, i know its quite huge. But those are all my favorites from Vengeance, Black Knight, and Mercenaries and a couple from Mech Commander.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 17, 2009, 11:40:37 PM
:D haha, i know its quite huge. But those are all my favorites from Vengeance, Black Knight, and Mercenaries and a couple from Mech Commander.
More like all the mechs from MW4 V, BK, mercs  :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DannyDoo on March 18, 2009, 12:11:22 AM
haha, probably, im pretty sure i missed a couple though  :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 12:17:27 AM
haha, probably, im pretty sure i missed a couple though  :)
Like the Osiris.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Ghost on March 18, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
I remembered one of my favorite light mechs, if only because its the fastest. I would like to see the Firemoth in MWLL. W00t firemoth.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 01:10:20 AM
I remembered one of my favorite light mechs, if only because its the fastest. I would like to see the Firemoth in MWLL. W00t firemoth.
Firemoth is the fastest mech in MW series. Once in MW2 with low gravity and a huge engine + jump jets i went 1100 KPH.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: marmchmmr on March 18, 2009, 01:12:02 AM
that fast!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 01:56:51 AM
that fast!
Yep....the fastest you could go in MW4mercs was 200 KPH with a flea and max engine going downhill.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 18, 2009, 02:06:53 AM
you could get elementals up to allmost 300km/h in MW3 if i remember correctly . .
you could not even fully accellerate before crashing into something/leaving the map faaar behing you ^^
you could probably have outrun missles, MG's, AC's, Gauss, PPC's and Lasers . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
you could get elementals up to allmost 300km/h in MW3 if i remember correctly . .
you could not even fully accellerate before crashing into something/leaving the map faaar behing you ^^
you could probably have outrun missles, MG's, AC's, Gauss, PPC's and Lasers . .
I know i could out run PPC's in MW2 :D.........i dont know about anything else tho.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: marmchmmr on March 18, 2009, 02:26:22 AM
wow
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on March 18, 2009, 03:15:35 AM
Yep....the fastest you could go in MW4mercs was 200 KPH with a flea and max engine going downhill.

Firemoth's top speed is around 216. Though I think if the flea had masc it'd be faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTdif5WIeE&fmt=18


The low gravity maps in mw2 were the best. Mw2 in general did a great job of making you feel as if you were on other planets. Oh yea, I'd love to see a rifleman/riflemanIIC in game, the anti aircraft role the rifleman plays would be useful.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 2fisted on March 18, 2009, 07:31:52 AM
IS
Guillotine
(http://www2.bitstream.net/~tfp/s6site/gallery2/minipics1000/MVC-043X_a.jpg)

I love the Guillotine. It's tough, good speed & simple, saved my ass many times.  ;)

Clan
Jenner2c
(http://www2.bitstream.net/~tfp/s6site/gallery1/mechpics/jenner2c6_01.jpg)

Fast & looks cool.

Blackhawk is another fave, & all Hunchbacks too!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guardi4n on March 18, 2009, 11:15:13 AM
The Thor.

I just miss the feel. O god, Fk it, im going to install MW4 and play for a bit. Now you have really done it  :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 18, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
ROFL!  Yeah, I got MW4 installed and have been playing it the last week or so.  Lovin it.  Beat the campaign once, and now I'm playing it on the Steiner side.

I think it'd be funny as hell to see a frigging locust.  That was technically the first battlemech I ever saw, on the cover of the first BT novel I grabbed just for fun back in '86.  I was hooked on the BT universe from that point on, eventually buying and painting a total of 130 metal miniatures, every rulebook, every novel, etc.  I loved it all the way up through 3055 rules, when I lost interest.  Dang clan nonsense.  Dagnabbit.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guillotine on March 18, 2009, 03:40:15 PM
IS
Guillotine
(http://www2.bitstream.net/~tfp/s6site/gallery2/minipics1000/MVC-043X_a.jpg)

I love the Guillotine. It's tough, good speed & simple, saved my ass many times.  ;)



<3. Prefer the IIC version, though.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 05:12:54 PM
Regular version has 4 Medium laseres, 1 Large laser, 1 SRM 6. and its 65 tons. not bad for a 65 IS mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: marmchmmr on March 18, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
know what would be asome to see is spider mech like the three legged ones
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 05:20:55 PM
know what would be asome to see is spider mech like the three legged ones
Nah i prefer the 2 legged one......240 meters of jump jets and 2 M pulse lasers and 130 KPH and for a 25 or 30 ton mech that pretty good.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 18, 2009, 05:29:03 PM
you should like the Venom then.
8/12/8 movement, 35 tons, 4 mpuls lasers, but only 12 single heatsinks
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 18, 2009, 05:44:10 PM
you should like the Venom then.
8/12/8 movement, 35 tons, 4 mpuls lasers, but only 12 single heatsinks
Yeah they are both about the same......except the spider looks cooler.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 18, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
the venom is the spider remade with 67 tech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: marmchmmr on March 18, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
i want a 135 ton mech called The Ares colossal-class BattleMech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guardi4n on March 18, 2009, 11:58:27 PM
i want a 135 ton mech called The Ares colossal-class BattleMech

I'll be the video recon which films the elemental unit which walks upto you and opens your tin can. That mech would be so heavy its powerplant would let it move at 10kph. always too late into battle and a sitting duck for ambushes. I'd advise you more speed and more variation in your options.

But hey, to each his own. If it gets there, it would give a huge welcoming call i guess :) :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: marmchmmr on March 19, 2009, 12:01:59 AM
it is long range tac support not front lines
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: skyros009 on March 19, 2009, 01:38:13 AM
Behemoth Stone Rhino all the way
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on March 19, 2009, 01:54:25 AM
@skyros > hint: look at the BF2142 BattleMechHangar (http://www.battlemechhanger.com/home.htm) mod in the future (http://pinksniperiii.deviantart.com/art/Stone-Rhino-89756087) ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on March 19, 2009, 04:32:14 AM
i want a 135 ton mech called The Ares colossal-class BattleMech

AKA: the shit the IS had to pull out to match the Dire Wolf
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 19, 2009, 11:41:52 AM
i want a 135 ton mech called The Ares colossal-class BattleMech

AKA: the shit the IS had to pull out to match the Dire Wolf

AKA the shit that Wizkids are putting in the game (read : ruining it) to try and drive more people to play it.  This brings me to the point of the whole post 3055 or so story line (when the story went from the hands of the writers .. you know the guys who do the actual novels and created the universe, to in the hands of the money makers) seems to be butchering the universe I loved so many years.  Basically writing off some of the most famous units/planets/characters in the entire universe.  The whole jihad thing is just a monstrous fapp up in my opinion.  I could go on and on about the subject but I will leave that for another thread of it's own I think :P

But specifically I don't want to see bigger and better mechs ... I don't want to see 6 and 8 legged mechs, it just screams of some marketing twats sitting in a board room saying "what can we do to make this bigger and better to get people to play it",  "I know lets just build bigger mechs .... no, no I have a better idea lets give them more legs ... 4 isn't enough though lets say 6.  No why stop there?  Lets give them 8 legs and call them the real spider!".
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 19, 2009, 12:28:23 PM
i want a 135 ton mech called The Ares colossal-class BattleMech

AKA: the shit the IS had to pull out to match the Dire Wolf

Sorry Bud, the Stone Rhino was a rarely seen old CSJ signature 'mech, sure the Behemoth was invented by Amaris (Rim Worlds Republic, Periphery Power not IS) it wasn't seen after Kerenskys time in the IS until the Clan invasion, and the Star League era and Clan "Behemoth" machines are different from each other except in how they look, so when the IS saw the Jaguars Stone Rhino's they called them Behemoths mistakenly and the name stuck.   

@ Gheist, I don't arbitarily hate wizkids, no scrub that, I do on principle.  I'd like to like theri stuff and I didn't mind the game-world changing in the 3050s, 60s and 70s, that felt alright to me, but the Dark Age thing is exactly what you said, the marketing morons taking over the asylum  >:(

I like the Stone Rhino, its a great old clan Assault, and a real surprise for anyone expecting an easy run of a Garrison Cluster, sure its not a Turkina or an Executioner, but for sheer firepower and stylishness its got to be in the top5 of clan Assaults IMO
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Hawkmoon on March 19, 2009, 01:35:39 PM
My Personal Fav. The Battlemaster.   ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 19, 2009, 03:31:56 PM
i want a 135 ton mech called The Ares colossal-class BattleMech

AKA: the shit the IS had to pull out to match the Dire Wolf

AKA the shit that Wizkids are putting in the game (read : ruining it) to try and drive more people to play it.  This brings me to the point of the whole post 3055 or so story line (when the story went from the hands of the writers .. you know the guys who do the actual novels and created the universe, to in the hands of the money makers) seems to be butchering the universe I loved so many years.  Basically writing off some of the most famous units/planets/characters in the entire universe.  The whole jihad thing is just a monstrous fapp up in my opinion.  I could go on and on about the subject but I will leave that for another thread of it's own I think :P

But specifically I don't want to see bigger and better mechs ... I don't want to see 6 and 8 legged mechs, it just screams of some marketing twats sitting in a board room saying "what can we do to make this bigger and better to get people to play it",  "I know lets just build bigger mechs .... no, no I have a better idea lets give them more legs ... 4 isn't enough though lets say 6.  No why stop there?  Lets give them 8 legs and call them the real spider!".


QFT.  Amen to dat.  Of course lots of folks that never played 3025 rules would be horrified at the mechs we had to use back then.  Rifleman?  Paper armor and 10 single heat sinks to fire two LLasers, two Mlasers, and 2 ac5's?  Wow.  The Shadow Hawk: A 55 ton mech armed only with an AC5, Mlaser, and SRM2...and one of the best mechs for its weight class?  Hell, the Battlemaster was an 85 ton mech armed only with a PPC, SRM6, 6 medium lasers and 2 machine guns and not enough heat sinks to fire everything.  Nowadays you can fit that weapon spread on a LIGHT mech!

The change at 3055 was really what got me out of Battletech for the tabletop, and truly disappointed me with the direction things were going.  Mechs were becoming super-powered and battles became far less about strategy and more about luck.  BT began to cater to the younger, hyper, ADD crowd (IMO) and even the storylines changed to reflect this.  Even Stackpole grew disgusted with the BT universe, and quit writing for them.  It's almost as if BT changed everything to better accomodate video game popularity.

It's not simply a question of nostalgia for the 'good ol days'.  BT has become an entirely different game, with a different target demographic and a different mindset.  However from an economical standpoint, what they did seems to have worked.  So as the minority, I can only sigh and grumble impotently about what BT has become, and wish things were different.  At least when I play tabletop I can restrict games to pre-3055 rules if I want. :)  I do not despise the clans per se.  I merely despise the way the game creators and writers implemented them.  It could have been done SOOO much better.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 19, 2009, 03:50:06 PM

QFT.  Amen to dat.  Of course lots of folks that never played 3025 rules would be horrified at the mechs we had to use back then.  Rifleman?  Paper armor and 10 single heat sinks to fire two LLasers, two Mlasers, and 2 ac5's?  Wow.  The Shadow Hawk: A 55 ton mech armed only with an AC5, Mlaser, and SRM2...and one of the best mechs for its weight class?  Hell, the Battlemaster was an 85 ton mech armed only with a PPC, SRM6, 6 medium lasers and 2 machine guns and not enough heat sinks to fire everything.  Nowadays you can fit that weapon spread on a LIGHT mech!

The change at 3055 was really what got me out of Battletech for the tabletop, and truly disappointed me with the direction things were going.  Mechs were becoming super-powered and battles became far less about strategy and more about luck.  BT began to cater to the younger, hyper, ADD crowd (IMO) and even the storylines changed to reflect this.  Even Stackpole grew disgusted with the BT universe, and quit writing for them.  It's almost as if BT changed everything to better accomodate video game popularity.

It's not simply a question of nostalgia for the 'good ol days'.  BT has become an entirely different game, with a different target demographic and a different mindset.  However from an economical standpoint, what they did seems to have worked.  So as the minority, I can only sigh and grumble impotently about what BT has become, and wish things were different.  At least when I play tabletop I can restrict games to pre-3055 rules if I want. :)  I do not despise the clans per se.  I merely despise the way the game creators and writers implemented them.  It could have been done SOOO much better.

Well that's exactly it,  the pre '55 game was allot more balance of firepower movement and heat management.  Even if you designed your own mechs it was still hard to desgin something that was good in all areas, that was part of the love of the game for me.  Everyone approached it differently.  Controlling 4-8 mechs all had their strength and weaknesses, people look at those mechs today and scoff and supress a laugh but in the hands of skilled board gamers they were as every bit as deadly as the popular 3-5 mechs that I found myself against most of the time.

As for the implementation, I remember reading the blog from Michael Stackpole about them getting together each year and deciding on how the story will evolve and who would write what for the battletech universe and when the subject came to clans the main writers were totally against how the company wanted to implement it all.  So the people who developed the real ideas and intricacies of the universe were not supported and it basically went totally down hill from there onwards in my honest opinion.  The three great writers of the fiction of BattleTech (Charrette, Stackpole and Thurston) were basically ignored and although they wrote the stories still it wasn't really their doing that was the obomination I see today,  check out how many of the "BattleTech : MechWarrior" and "BattleTech : Mechwarrior Dark Age" were written by the big three compared to the original 56 books and look at the quality of the universe since then :/.   Stackpole himself had more disdain about payments and the higher ups giving out bad assignments to some really dodgy people and mostly quit writing for them.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 19, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
Didn't know he wrote ANY books after the clans arrived.  Dammit, now I gotta go find his newer books and read them.  Maybe he can make me feel better about the BT universe now. :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on March 19, 2009, 05:01:44 PM
I would really like to see the Victor, used this mech alot in NBT with a heavy gauss and large lasers.

Also, I would like the storm crow to be there as well
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 19, 2009, 05:08:18 PM
Also, I would like the storm crow to be there as well
Um why dont you check the home page and go to "factions" under "mod info"
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/106
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 19, 2009, 05:23:33 PM
Didn't know he wrote ANY books after the clans arrived.  Dammit, now I gotta go find his newer books and read them.  Maybe he can make me feel better about the BT universe now. :)

Blood of kerensky trilogy to start with :P, but he always centered his books in the innersphere and wrote from that side of the story as far as I know, he also wrote two books in the dark age section of BT compared to about 15-20 pre-darkage stuff.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 19, 2009, 05:36:11 PM
Stackpoles Dark Age books aren't actually bad at all, for a dark age book that is....I've only read one trilogy of Thurstons Clan books, but he made them very believable to me, so I forgave FASA for bringing the Clans in and demolishing the FRR (my favourite thorn in the claw of the Dragon).

So I wonder where you guys stand with 2750 'mechs? some of my favourites are definitely from that bunch, Champion, Crab etc. more for the stylings than the increased firepower TBH.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 19, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
2750?
Highlander?
look at my Sig and guess ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on March 19, 2009, 05:49:08 PM
Also, I would like the storm crow to be there as well
Um why dont you check the home page and go to "factions" under "mod info"
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/106

Very nice! can I fit 4 ER large lasers on it?   :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 19, 2009, 06:01:50 PM
It's not the mechs, the weapons, the vehicles so much as how much they just kinda set aside one universe and tried to force another one into it with a fapping shoe horn.  Then after that they entirely trash what has become before, allot of the backstory or decent storylines within the universe just ... well nothing happened and units/people were killed off in favour of some big event to attract attention to the flailing market.  Always thinking that better bigger and more of = progress.

There are mechs in version of Btech that I love, as I said it's not really about the design.  Both Black Knight and Highlander were outstanding looking mechs :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 19, 2009, 09:43:18 PM
The battlemaster is out dated.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 19, 2009, 10:49:49 PM
so's your mom! *runs*
that old piece of heavy metal will never ever really be outdated i'm afraid  . .

some of the silliest mechs i have ever laid eyes on . . the new solaris mechs <.<
flails, swords, axes, claws, shields, micro lasers and other such dumb crap . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 19, 2009, 11:08:11 PM
some of the silliest mechs i have ever laid eyes on . . the new solaris mechs <.<
flails, swords, axes, claws, shields, micro lasers and other such dumb crap . .

Welcome to wizkids!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 19, 2009, 11:32:06 PM
Solaris started out as a place where REAL COMBAT MACHINES; GODS OF WAR, could go at each other to find the approval of Kerensky . . then it went to REAL COMBAT MACHINES; GODS OF WAR duking it out for fun, money and bitches . . well, you don't really believe that fame and honour nonsense do you?
now it'S . . PLAYTHINGS playing MAKE BELIEVE war and sissy slapping each other . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 19, 2009, 11:55:44 PM
I'll be grabbing those Stackpole books from Amazon now, thankee VERY much. :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 20, 2009, 12:07:53 AM
some of the silliest mechs i have ever laid eyes on . . the new solaris mechs <.<
flails, swords, axes, claws, shields, micro lasers and other such dumb crap . .

Welcome to wizkids!
How true. also Stahlseele please try to have more respect for women.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 20, 2009, 11:08:52 AM
I'll be grabbing those Stackpole books from Amazon now, thankee VERY much. :)

His best series was still the warrior series by far, such a good story line which involves so much scope of the entire battletech universe.  Second to that I would say it's the Gray death Legion trilogy (I don't count the following books as any good to be real honest) then the blood of Kerensky trilogy.  Obviously not all by Stackpole but they are all equally good :).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valupeh on March 21, 2009, 01:00:57 PM
All ive played is MW4 mercs which is a good game but i dont know if u would be able to mount the sanme stuff on the mechs.....

So after saying that i want to just see was the Daishi can carry because if it can carry 6 er large lasers with the equivalent to 34 (MW4 mercs) heat sinks then that'd be cool

but so far i have all my favorite mechs in the mod already, mainly the uziel and couger.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rally on March 21, 2009, 01:41:49 PM
So after saying that i want to just see was the Daishi can carry because if it can carry 6 er large lasers with the equivalent to 34 (MW4 mercs) heat sinks then that'd be cool
Haven't we all had our lifetime's worth of 6ERLL mechs back in MW4:Vengeance?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 21, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
yeah, but the guasszilla was more fun.
and the 120 LRM's per salvo was just nasty.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 21, 2009, 05:36:20 PM
I like the 120 missiles per salvo also..........It was so deadly. Also i liked the daishi with 2 regular Gauss rifles and 1 heavy Gauss rifle.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valupeh on March 24, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
I like the 120 missiles per salvo also..........It was so deadly. Also i liked the daishi with 2 regular Gauss rifles and 1 heavy Gauss rifle.
or have 2 clan gauss and heavy gauss  :D

another favorite is with 3 ultra AC 20s knocking down assault mechs is always fun, which u can do with a 120 missile salvo
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on March 25, 2009, 01:56:23 AM
QFT.  Amen to that.  Of course lots of folks that never played 3025 rules would be horrified at the mechs we had to use back then.  Rifleman?  Paper armor and 10 single heat sinks to fire two LLasers, two Mlasers, and 2 ac5's?  Wow.  The Shadow Hawk: A 55 ton mech armed only with an AC5, Mlaser, and SRM2...and one of the best mechs for its weight class?  Hell, the Battlemaster was an 85 ton mech armed only with a PPC, SRM6, 6 medium lasers and 2 machine guns and not enough heat sinks to fire everything.  Nowadays you can fit that weapon spread on a LIGHT mech!

The change at 3055 was really what got me out of Battletech for the tabletop, and truly disappointed me with the direction things were going.  Mechs were becoming super-powered and battles became far less about strategy and more about luck.  BT began to cater to the younger, hyper, ADD crowd (IMO) and even the storylines changed to reflect this.  Even Stackpole grew disgusted with the BT universe, and quit writing for them.  It's almost as if BT changed everything to better accomodate video game popularity.

It's not simply a question of nostalgia for the 'good ol days'.  BT has become an entirely different game, with a different target demographic and a different mindset.  However from an economical standpoint, what they did seems to have worked.  So as the minority, I can only sigh and grumble impotently about what BT has become, and wish things were different.  At least when I play tabletop I can restrict games to pre-3055 rules if I want. :)  I do not despise the clans per se.  I merely despise the way the game creators and writers implemented them.  It could have been done SOOO much better.
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qft... again!

I prefer when a medium laser means something by itself, instead of in groups of 4+ Or an AC5 was useful...

I like 3025-3039 Sucession wars battletech myself, my dream MW game would be that era, where simply running and using your secondary lasers can cause your heat to spike, and that good old AC10 means serious damage to your enemies.

Id love to see MWLL do a sequel or expansion or something if the original catches on like it should, a 3039 MWLL could include standard infantry too, since a couple soliders with inferno rockets can do real damage.

Then id buy a fancy joystick put on a suitably heavy vest point heaters in my face turn off all the lights and take a centurion or a dragon or something and slug it out.

Where I depart from you is the fiction, I like the clan fiction, and battletech fiction up untill the end of the fedcom civil war even. The jihad stuff is silly to me. In the fiction the clan mechs while powerful, still couldnt run around at full speed using jumpjets and fire off ERLL like madmen. Its really the PC games that this is such a problem. Im not too familiar with the clans in CBT, as Ive only played 3025-3039 in any real sense.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stalker on March 25, 2009, 01:34:59 PM
You have to keep in mind Biscuit that the combat model of battletech is stupid beyond words.  The full customisation available in the MW titles is a far better reflection of how battlemechs would develop as weapons rather than as mis-matched props for a boardgame.  BT rules might be interesting on a tabletop but for an actual simulation game they just force everyone to play as retards, using stupid weapons in equally stupid combinations.  Any MW title that went down that road would be an utter failure and I'm glad none have. 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 25, 2009, 01:52:43 PM
You have to keep in mind Biscuit that the combat model of battletech is stupid beyond words.  The full customisation available in the MW titles is a far better reflection of how battlemechs would develop as weapons rather than as mis-matched props for a boardgame.  BT rules might be interesting on a tabletop but for an actual simulation game they just force everyone to play as retards, using stupid weapons in equally stupid combinations.  Any MW title that went down that road would be an utter failure and I'm glad none have. 

Actually I don't know.

Mechs would be made for certain purposes not just as puppets for a computer game.  Things like the rifleman and jaggermech having d2j systems for anti-aircraft, the Urban mech for street use ect.  Each mech from 3025 had pretty much a certain usage that it was made for.  You have to take into account that the 3025 stuff is the things handed down to the inner sphere over 300 + years of combat, their inability to reproduce the Star league era quality mechs meant they were stuck with what they had and what little they were producing from the beat up mech production facilities.  Today you don't really have interchangeable weapon systems,  you don't have main battle tanks with interchangable main weapons, sure they have different shells ect but they are designed with a function in mind.  Same with mechs in my opinion, they were designed for a purpose .. sure you can interchange some ammo for missile systems but the main weapons are not really interchangeable.

Sorry but bringing any sort of reality into a fantasy sci-fi game makes zero fkin sense, because in all reality they would never exist even if the tech was available to make them.

Waits for someone to post the pod weapon system for a tank
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stalker on March 25, 2009, 01:59:53 PM
I speak of reality in the sense of designing combat platforms that make sense as machines of war.  There are certain elements of warfare that never change and you can apply them to a fantasy game as easily as you can to a modern battlefield and they will still hold true.  One of the things you would never see is a mech with a mixed bag of weaponry such at the stock BT designs have, that is the kind of stupid I was referring to.  Anyone who has tried to use one against a dedicated platform in a MW sim quickly discovered why they fail on the conceptual level and as effective weapons.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on March 25, 2009, 02:42:18 PM
But what I was also saying is that there were mechs for things more than just fighting in open combat against other mechs.  I gave examples of why it would obviously look bad fighting another mech in say a stock jagger mech, because obviously it wasn't supposed to be a front line mech going toe to toe with other mechs.  Support, garrison, fire support, long range support all played different roles in full on warfare.  A mixed bag of weaponry you say?  What happens when they actually started out as a decently equipped mech but over hundreds of years of brutal unrelenting warfare the knowledge to produce allot of the weaponry meant that designs took what they could get (and usually produced in the same factory) and combined it with the mech design they were manufacturing. 

Sure in your nice little simulation you are constantly fighting mechs or even the odd tank, but a fair majority of them were peace keeping mechs ... probably equivalent to the Humvee (or slightly heavier tracked vehicles) in the star league era.

I don't know if you ever had access to the original 3025 readout, but allot of the capabilities of the mech are in the descriptions of the machines and tell you why they were designed and outfitted that way.  Thinking practically what you would outfit a mech with is all well and good but when you are faced with salvaged parts, limited knowledge in how they actually work  and almost no way to replace full mechs it's a different though process about why and how they develop them and keep them running on the battlefield.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stalker on March 25, 2009, 02:51:59 PM
All weapons have the same design aim; to be the most effective within their engagement envelope.  Battletech creates a fantasy world where that rule no longer applies and so you end up with designs and weapons that are far below optimum.  That is the weakness in the battletech combat model I was referring to.  It is quite unrealistic to imagine that technology would ever go backwards or that the knowledge for its use would disappear out of the universe.  Simple reverse engineering can produce a product almost as good and serves as a baseline for improvement.  A situation of constantly declining baseline technology is a prop that allows BT combat rules to exist outside the fundamental principles of warfare.  Which as I said, might be great for a tabletop game but it sucks as a sim.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Loonatic on March 25, 2009, 06:17:31 PM
Actually, throughout history there are plenty of examples of 'lost technology'.  Whole civilizations have been wiped out or absorbed or conquered and the advances they made were completely gone for centuries.  And of course BT supposes a great deal, but when we're looking so far into the future (A millenium is a looong time tech-wise for humans these days), it opens all sorts of possibilities, from the ridiculous, to the probable, to the inevitable.

Many factors have to be taken into account with any military program, including the faction's industrial base, economic strength, allies, enemies, espionage, communications, and even educational opportunities.  Then there's a question of just how widely available weapons technology is.  I can guarantee you that if a certain, specific number of scientists were to suddenly die or vanish, the entire planet's ability to produce a certain kind of nuclear missile would be almost completely curtailed.  Mostly because that know-how is jealously guarded and not easily accessible.  Add to that a massive EMP pulse and the PCs that stored the data would be wiped.  There are no hard copies of the data.  It is not stored off site.  Redundancy comes in second to security when it comes to military secrets.  Now imagine a faction spread across an entire galaxy, where all contact with a planet could easily be lost, either through conquest, rebellion, or interdiction.  Perhaps that planet just happened to have the only functioning jump drive factory in that particular faction.  Maybe that factory got bombed into a smoking crater, along with the neaby city housing everyone who worked there.

Remember also that nukes were used happily for some time.  They tend to wipe the slate pretty clean on a planetary scale as well.

The game supposes that it wasn't just a technological backslide, but a socio-political one as well.  Feudalism regained dominance in this imaginary future, and democracy was sidelined.  This isn't terribly far-fetched when you're talking about an entire civilization wracked by war.  Lots of 'emergency' powers get enacted.  Bush was a real fan of those. ;)  When the wars last more than 10 years, looots of things change.  Wars initially stimulate growth and industry, normally, but when they last too long, the opposite occurs very quickly.  The Roman Empire was a good example.

But all that nonsense aside (I ramble sometimes), I just preferred the old rules because they forced folks to really fight carefully and with a great tactical awareness.  You had to choose which weapons to fire, balanced against how fast you were running, how hot you were, how much ammo you had, how much damage you had taken, etc.  Heck, you had to make a lot of serious choices when simply modding your mech, even in relatively small ways.  I remember swapping my old marauder's AC5 out for a Large Laser and some extra heat sinks.  It took a lot of thinking before I decided to do it, and during each fight there was a chance it would malfunction, because the Large Laser was not built to mount on the marauder.

Battles also lasted longer, because mechs didn't have 4 PPCs or 3 Gauss Rifles racked on them with double heat sinks.  It took time, and was more of a careful dance instead of a mad, wildly blazing, coolant-dumping shoot fest.  Of course that does not appeal to twitchers at all, so things had to change.  It may have been simple evolution from tabletop to PC gaming.

Weapon systems always evolve and improve, but the jolt of the clans arrival and the incredible leaps and bounds in weapons technology afterwards really made BT an entirely new game, and although it is still a game I enjoy, it's not as fun to me as the old one.  I don't even really consider how realistic or unrealistic it is, to be honest.  It just changed.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rejor on March 26, 2009, 05:02:39 AM
Along the lines of 'reality' in BTech... if you took a couple of our current tanks, which can fire off shells from a couple miles away, they can wipe out a bunch of mechs pretty quick. ^.^

But eh... that wouldn't be fun.

I like the 3025 rules. In tabletop, it's awesome. Great stragety. Would it work for PC? Well, I actually think it would, for a certain group. You wouldn't just be running around firing off weapons all the time. You would have to actually have the mental skill to keep track of your heat, which weapons you should use, and so on. Yeah, you do have a bit of that in the games, but it's pretty dumbed down I think.

Hell, I still love AC-10's because, IMO, they're the best weapon for its range and damage potential. Mostly in part due to the 3025 rules.

Also, have you ever tried using clan mechs against 3025 mechs? You can easily see how the Clans can completely slaughter the IS.

Too bad I don't have a time machine lol. It'd be interesting to see if things like this come to pass in a thousand years from now.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Thundertrod on March 27, 2009, 06:43:54 AM
I wood like to see the firestarter omni.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Firestarter_Omni
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: marmchmmr on March 27, 2009, 06:53:40 AM
Cougar
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cougar (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cougar)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on March 27, 2009, 03:25:17 PM
Cougar
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cougar (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cougar)

MWLL frontpage (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/)>ModInfo>factions (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/45/70/)>The Clans (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/52)>Cougar (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/104)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: fek315 on March 27, 2009, 06:03:23 PM
I am a huge medium mech fan, I would love to see the CHIMERA, Hollander ll and the Uziel!
In MERCS I fought exclusively in nothing but a Chimera for 6 months.
Just give either the hard points, armor or speed a little upgrade. Give it the ability to use Large pulse lasers with out over heating in 2 shots.

TNX
FEK315...OUT! ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 27, 2009, 10:57:45 PM
Uziel and Hollander are in O.o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Epicon on March 28, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
As a assault clan player I would lovr to see a Turkina.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Turkina
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Impervious on March 29, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
Personally, I would love to see the Dire Wolf (Daishi).  It is 100 tons of pain to anyone on the battlefield.  It has more firepower capability than any other mech, isn't indecently slow, and most of all, it looks nice... at least, if its on your team.
(http://paladinslegion.net/daishi.jpg)
It has its downfalls, of course, as all mechs do.  Even though it's short compared to many assault mechs, the Daishi commands attention.  Whenever I'm playing Mercs, my team combines fire on the Daishi first.  If you leave it alone, it will simply do too much damage.
The Daishi is very versatile as well.  It can be a brawler, sniper, missle boat, or a main-line mech.  My personal favorite for Urban fighting is the 2UAC20+PPC version.  You can load 4 LGuass onto it if you cheat the armor a bit, put 5 LRM20s, 2ERLL+2Guass, or even load it up with Machine Guns or Medium Pulse Lasers.  The multiple RAC5 version is very fun as well.  Basically, this mech dominates, and is capable of destrying just about anything.
However, balance wouldn't really be an issue, because of the aforementioned attention it commands.  When combined with its massive center torso, this mech usually falls quickly, though it often takes out multiple enemies before it dies.  Light mechs are also surprisingly effective.  The Daishi is slow enough and turns slowly enough that a very good pilot can dance around the Daishi all day and just chip away at it until it dies.  I've done it once in a Cougar, although that was by pure luck:  he missed me when he had the shot.
So, this is a long post, and very long for a first post, so I guess I'll end it now. 
Dire Wolf FTW
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 30, 2009, 01:16:05 AM
Stalker, STK-5M . . or just about ANY Stalker Version that does NOT include an XL-Reactor . . because damn, you had to literally rip those things asunder to stop them . .
the STK-5m has an ER Large Laser in the frigging Center Torso for fapps sake . .
2 M-Lasers and SRM6 in the flipable arms, means he can dish it out at you, even if you TO manage to get behind him . .
2 LRM10 to the Front mean you will probably have a hard enough time to get close anyway . . and with 14 double heat sinks, he can fire most of that and move and still not run too hot. and 232 armor means he is armored up very nicely too.

Aside from that one, Thunderbolt TDR-9SE . . Large Pulslaser, LRM10, 3 Medium Lasers, no XL Engine, 6/8/6 movement and pretty good armor for his weighzt too . .
jumps around and dishes out alpha strikes as if they meant nothing, and because he only has 10 shots for the LRM, those are usually empty before armor is broken. .
and because of his 15 double heat sinks, he still says at exactly 0 heat.

yes, pretty much underdogs, but eh, they are really nice machines ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 30, 2009, 02:49:26 AM
*Nods sagely*

Respect to the "Dildo of Death".

*Pours libations for the spirit of Daniel Dyer, if only he had had time to repair that LCT armour....*

A Stalker breaking through a building to start it's slow march of pain was a a sight to behold. Never was a fan of it (despite its Marik heritage I preferred less complicated 'mechs; when I was younger) until the PC games sold me on the old Stalker.

MW2 Mercs "Guerillas in the Mist" mission sold me  8)

A great 'mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: fek315 on March 30, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
I forget the name of this mech but add it please!!!! I would take this over the Chimera, I used it a lot in Mercs Patch 3.
I loved it!
Whats its name again?(http://www.dondeleva.com/mech.jpg)
YEAH!!
Is it in the game?

FEK315...OUT!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on March 31, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
I dont know what the name is but its pretty cool lookin'!
What is it? 40 tons?
My guess for weaponry is 2 SRM 4's, 2 SRM 6's, 2 MG's, 2 M lasers, and 1 S laser.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on March 31, 2009, 01:48:33 AM
Gesu.  A clan 'mech IIRC correctly was built for sale in the IS....go figure... :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: fek315 on March 31, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
YEAH ! Hollander!!!! Uziel!!!!
how about the Puma?

YOU GUYS ROCK!!!!!

FEK315...OUT!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 07, 2009, 11:45:24 PM
I want to see a 4 legged mech.  Something in the range of 120-150 tons that can carry at or over 100 tons of weaponry and ammo.  Obviously ridiculously slow moving, like 30 Kph, and very limited maneuverability.  It would prettymuch only serve as a fire-support mech, but it would be a devastating long-range powerhouse.  One of those mechs that enters the battlefield and immediately has the attention of all opponents.  When I think of what a mech like this would look like, one example comes to mind immediately:

(http://www.sagacentral.com.au/SiteMedia/w3svc436/Uploads/Images/ATTE_Closed.jpg)

There could be four corner turrets for a small amount of short range defense, but it would mainly carry Long Toms, Gauss, PPC's, ER Lasers, and LRM's.  Comparable firepower to the strong point defenses in MW4 I'd say.

This has probably been said in one way or another here already, but if there was one thing I would have in MW:LL, it would be this.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on April 08, 2009, 12:11:27 AM
that is one of those Star Wars things isn't it?
and something along the lines of what you are describing does exist in mechwarrior canon . .
most battletech-fans just like to ignore it and pretend the Kolossal Class Mechs did not exist.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on April 08, 2009, 12:20:18 AM
Scorpion (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scorpion_%28BattleMech%29)
Goliath (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Goliath)
Stalking Spider (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalking_Spider)

Inclusion in MWLL is dubious...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on April 08, 2009, 12:51:00 AM
Inclusion is, as of right now, a big, fat, red, NO.
And for people asking why: fapp NO!
Because that would require even more work to get the models, then the animations, then the hit-boxes and so on . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on April 08, 2009, 01:15:22 AM
Despite the odds stacked against it, I must make a case for my new favorite light mech.

Mongoose (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mongoose)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/d/d1/Mongoose.jpg)

It has speed.  It has armor that can match medium mechs (even by 2750 standards).  It has a potent energy based assortment of weapons.  It has sufficient heatsinks (single to boot) to handle even the most trigger happy mechwarrior.  And did I mention the Beagle Active Probe that comes standard with it?

Even if the MON-66 version doesn't match the mod's balance, there's also the MON-66b with double heatsinks and upgrade to an ER Large Laser.  Or even the MON-76 with MASC, Guardian ECM, and upgrades to Pulse Lasers.

(Now go to work, oh mischievious and fickle fate.  Bring forth the improbable into our reality.)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tibrojo on April 08, 2009, 02:22:18 AM
Well since the first mech they developed was my fav the Catapult, I would have to ask for the Hatchetman  :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 08, 2009, 02:26:27 AM
I remember the mongoose.  Blazing fast, but I never found it that great of a combat mech.  It might just be that I was too young to play mercenaries that well.  lol

And I wouldn't think about making a 4-legged mech to compete with any class like the ones that were linked.  Why change something that works?  But when you try to go beyond 100 tons it's only logical to get on all fours and have some mounts on the back.  I think it would add a whole new level of lance strategy in every type of game.  Even if it doesn't make the first cut, I would like to see one eventually.  :-\ 

I know people don't want to stray from the MW formula but this is a chance to make something really original that hasn't been done in a MW game before.  Yeah it would take some work, but with the amount of work already going into MW:LL, I say why not?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on April 08, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
Scorpion (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scorpion_%28BattleMech%29)
Goliath (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Goliath)
Stalking Spider (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalking_Spider)

Inclusion in MWLL is dubious...
Um I think the devs have already said that there will not be 4 legged mech in MWLL. Or was the LAM's? Or both?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on April 08, 2009, 07:33:25 PM
Scorpion (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scorpion_%28BattleMech%29)
Goliath (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Goliath)
Stalking Spider (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalking_Spider)

Inclusion in MWLL is dubious...
Um I think the devs have already said that there will not be 4 legged mech in MWLL. Or was the LAM's? Or both?

both ??? but I would love to see quad´s anyway.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Chesterwiz on April 08, 2009, 08:36:22 PM
Could we push over a 2 leged mech with arms and make a 4 leged mech? Well at least you will be ready for the battle!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on April 08, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
Scorpion (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scorpion_%28BattleMech%29)
Goliath (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Goliath)
Stalking Spider (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalking_Spider)

Inclusion in MWLL is dubious...
Um I think the devs have already said that there will not be 4 legged mech in MWLL. Or was the LAM's? Or both?

That was both because the Quads would offer minimal benefit because they are so similar to standard 2 legged 'Mechs and would take a ton of new code to get working.

LAMs are also out because they would also take a significant of code, although they could reuse a lot of the existing 'Mech and ASF code to make it easier to create the assets, but there is limited value in it because there are only 3 cannon LAMs and they all kind of suck because they are built on IS succession wars tech.  The other problem is that the battlefields are too small and there is no support infrastructure, so they cannot take advantage of their exceptional raiding abilities in this mod.  However, to avoid dragging this thread into a LAM discussion I would prefer it if we kept this discussion to what has become the semi-official LAM thread I made a while back:

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on April 08, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Scorpion (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scorpion_%28BattleMech%29)
Goliath (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Goliath)
Stalking Spider (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stalking_Spider)

Inclusion in MWLL is dubious...
Um I think the devs have already said that there will not be 4 legged mech in MWLL. Or was the LAM's? Or both?

Reading is fundamental.

Dubious (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dubious): 1: giving rise to uncertainty: as a: of doubtful promise or outcome <a dubious plan> b: questionable or suspect as to true nature or quality <the practice is of dubious legality>
2: unsettled in opinion : doubtful <I was dubious about the plan> <Inclusion in MWLL is dubious.>
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Punisher1 on April 08, 2009, 10:39:52 PM
I never seen a 4 legged mech in any of the video game series....so it would be cool for MWLL to have one considering no one else has done it. So for a future release it would be great.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 08, 2009, 10:44:18 PM

Reading is fundamental.

Dubious (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dubious): 1: giving rise to uncertainty: as a: of doubtful promise or outcome <a dubious plan> b: questionable or suspect as to true nature or quality <the practice is of dubious legality>
2: unsettled in opinion : doubtful <I was dubious about the plan> <Inclusion in MWLL is dubious.>

I lol'd.  Well, aside from an original 120-150 ton quad that I would love to see, probably either the Annihilator or the Trukina.  Annihilator in MW3 was my favorite for ambushes.  Power down and wait for a group to get in range and light 'em up with the quad LB10-X's.  Nothing was more satisfying for me. >:D  The trukina was just my favorite mech that I was not able to pilot.  (If you haven't figured it out I <3 the assault class.)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on April 09, 2009, 12:35:48 AM
I never seen a 4 legged mech in any of the video game series....so it would be cool for MWLL to have one considering no one else has done it. So for a future release it would be great.
In netmech DOSBOX you can pilot a tarantula "mech"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =CSA= DragonSpirit on April 09, 2009, 07:10:59 PM
What about a Black Lanner ??? Nice Medium Scout
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: lessergod on April 10, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
All I can say is THANK GOD they didn't add the Urban!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on April 10, 2009, 12:15:51 AM
Why not?
The big Guys need a Trash-Can to deposit Elementals in.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on April 10, 2009, 03:38:29 AM
HIGHLANDER!!! JUMPIN, STOMPING, GAUSSIN SON OF A... GUN!!!
but really this is my all time favorite mech. Im a younger mechwarrior fan (started on MW3 when my age was still in the single digits) and i use to go to bed reading about, you guessed it, mechs in an old pair of BT tech readouts (highlander in BT return of kerensky 3050). Highlander was my favorite of all. I just shiver with excitement of the thought of the 90 tonner performing it's "Highlander Burial" described as "a maneuver in which a light mech' is literally driven into the earth by the force of the highlander landing on top of it"
so there is my mech, sorry for the zeal  :D

P.S. Stone Rhino/Behemoth is real close, also an old bedtime mech for a small mechwarrior-obsessed child
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)FredrickTech on April 10, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
Nthing Orion.

I also like the Rakshasa, and even though it's slightly chronologically off for the game, it would be cool to have the IS dumping them out on the battlefield to try to ape the Timber Wolf.  Plus, it's pretty damn cool looking--boxier than a Timber Wolf, not as effective, but a show of IS determination.
Plus I like its loadouts.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 10, 2009, 10:28:47 PM
Nthing Orion.

I also like the Rakshasa, and even though it's slightly chronologically off for the game, it would be cool to have the IS dumping them out on the battlefield to try to ape the Timber Wolf.  Plus, it's pretty damn cool looking--boxier than a Timber Wolf, not as effective, but a show of IS determination.
Plus I like its loadouts.

Oh man, remember the sound of the MW2 ER Large Laser?  That really made me love that mech.  Firing that and hearing that POW-Ssshhheeeeeewwwwwwww every time.  At least I think that was the laser.  Either that or the ER LPL.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Escudero on April 11, 2009, 05:27:34 PM
I'm partial to the PNT-9R Panther
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Warbong on April 11, 2009, 11:30:50 PM
I'm a medium mech man myself. I always liked the Bushwacker and Uziel and Nova from mw2. I like them fast and flightly...2 nice ppc's or medium lasers.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on April 12, 2009, 12:25:39 AM
Hunchback-4P
One Boat-Load of Armor and Medium lasers.
I actually killed a Nightstar with one of those.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Nick on April 12, 2009, 12:27:19 AM
Hauptmann is pretty epic. Big, armored, and can carry a hell of a loadout.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on April 12, 2009, 12:28:36 AM
Hauptmann is pretty epic. Big, armored, and can carry a hell of a loadout.
YES! YES! YES!
I agree with nick.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mechbob on April 12, 2009, 08:18:15 AM
I needs my Templar (Zeus and Victor would be good also but MAINLY Templar!)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on April 12, 2009, 01:17:03 PM
I'm partial to the PNT-9R Panther

The original 3025 panther looks so damn cool.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 12, 2009, 05:13:01 PM
 Marauder IIC is my favorite of all time so that girl heh.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: mech_lord on April 13, 2009, 05:56:08 PM
I want to see the Daishi and the Annihilator. I hope there will be a huge variety of mechs to choose from. The list of mechs that will be in the initial release already looks pretty good.   
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on April 13, 2009, 07:57:31 PM
I needs my Templar (Zeus and Victor would be good also but MAINLY Templar!)
Yes we do need the templar. I need it..... the MW4 mercs templar isn't enough for me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Drako86 on April 13, 2009, 11:21:30 PM
I'd like to see either Marauder Mk IIC (The clan version with the railgun featured in MW4:Mercs MekPak3) or Annihilator Mk. IIC also featured in MW4: Mercs MekPak3. Not only does the angular features of the Marauder Mk IIC's center torso look similar to an F117, which I guess is arguable, but it also sports the biggest mountable weapon for a mech. The rail gun is more or less a one shot crit. or kill weapon, meaning one shot could critically damage a mech. This all depends on where you shoot the mech and what mech it is that you are shooting. If you have Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries, download MekPak3 from here: http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?automodule=downloads&cmd=viewcat&cat_id=27

I figure that if you play it, you will be able to see the effectiveness of the mech for yourself. I forget the load-outs for both of the fore mentioned mechs, but I can assure you they are both monster sized Assualt Mechs and are more powerful than a Daishi (Direwolf as known from Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat).


Here is a site no MW fan should be without: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder_II
Just came across it during this discussion lol




Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kodiak Ash on April 14, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
One of the original IS Assault Lance:

Atlas
Zeus
Cyclops
Raven (scout)


Was my first little box pack I bought for Miniatures :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on April 14, 2009, 11:16:01 PM
I'd like to see either Marauder Mk IIC (The clan version with the railgun featured in MW4:Mercs MekPak3) or Annihilator Mk. IIC also featured in MW4: Mercs MekPak3. Not only does the angular features of the Marauder Mk IIC's center torso look similar to an F117, which I guess is arguable, but it also sports the biggest mountable weapon for a mech. The rail gun is more or less a one shot crit. or kill weapon, meaning one shot could critically damage a mech. This all depends on where you shoot the mech and what mech it is that you are shooting. If you have Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries, download MekPak3 from here: http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?automodule=downloads&cmd=viewcat&cat_id=27

I figure that if you play it, you will be able to see the effectiveness of the mech for yourself. I forget the load-outs for both of the fore mentioned mechs, but I can assure you they are both monster sized Assualt Mechs and are more powerful than a Daishi (Direwolf as known from Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat).


Here is a site no MW fan should be without: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder_II
Just came across it during this discussion lol

That's marauder 2, not the clan one, clan version is in nbt I think but it's reseen so it looks dopey. As far as I know a second version of the anni doesn't even exist for anyone to make a model off of, much less a clan one.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: FLW_Dragon on April 27, 2009, 01:49:52 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing the Uller. I want to be sprinting around kneecapping people.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spartacus on April 27, 2009, 04:10:16 AM
Dasher

Yes. I know. Small. Poor weapons loadout. Easy to kill, at least when standing still.

But when moving at max speed...in random directions...the flag carrying capacity is incredible.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 27, 2009, 05:04:58 AM
I have no idea if it's planned on, but the Sunder.  One of the best assault mechs ever made.  Speed and manuverability of a heavy with the loadout and armor that can make any mech think twice about engagement.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 27, 2009, 05:52:58 AM
Marauder IIC
Warhammer IIC
Stone Rhino
Stooping Hawk
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [MPB]OM_Sannyasi on April 27, 2009, 08:57:52 AM
I'd like to see either Marauder Mk IIC (The clan version with the railgun featured in MW4:Mercs MekPak3) or Annihilator Mk. IIC also featured in MW4: Mercs MekPak3. Not only does the angular features of the Marauder Mk IIC's center torso look similar to an F117, which I guess is arguable, but it also sports the biggest mountable weapon for a mech. The rail gun is more or less a one shot crit. or kill weapon, meaning one shot could critically damage a mech. This all depends on where you shoot the mech and what mech it is that you are shooting. If you have Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries, download MekPak3 from here: http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?automodule=downloads&cmd=viewcat&cat_id=27

I figure that if you play it, you will be able to see the effectiveness of the mech for yourself. I forget the load-outs for both of the fore mentioned mechs, but I can assure you they are both monster sized Assualt Mechs and are more powerful than a Daishi (Direwolf as known from Mechwarrior 2: 31st Century Combat).


Here is a site no MW fan should be without: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marauder_II
Just came across it during this discussion lol

as much as i may have liked mechwarrior 4 i do NOT want a repeat of a bunch of mechs that are different variations of the same thing+ added dumb weapons like rail guns and rocket launchers. o i used rockets alot but that doesn't mean i approved of them- they were just the best weapon to get the job done in the game- this game will not be a mw4 repeat =)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 27, 2009, 09:22:46 AM
That's marauder 2, not the clan one, clan version is in nbt I think but it's reseen so it looks dopey. As far as I know a second version of the anni doesn't even exist for anyone to make a model off of, much less a clan one.

 There most certainly is, the Annihilator C, 4 UAC 10's, 4 ER medium lasers.. Can't remember its production date but pretty sure it was made by Nova Cat, and as all clan mechs, put into service by the others.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 27, 2009, 09:38:27 AM
I made that variant myself in MW3.  Completely dominated anything within its range even moreso that the original.  It was a beast.  For ambushes I would drop the lasers and some heat sinks for more ammo and just unleash as soon as anything got in range.  Devastating.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on April 27, 2009, 10:26:39 AM
That's marauder 2, not the clan one, clan version is in nbt I think but it's reseen so it looks dopey. As far as I know a second version of the anni doesn't even exist for anyone to make a model off of, much less a clan one.

 There most certainly is, the Annihilator C, 4 UAC 10's, 4 ER medium lasers.. Can't remember its production date but pretty sure it was made by Nova Cat, and as all clan mechs, put into service by the others.

It's not IIC is it?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on April 27, 2009, 08:19:29 PM
On the topic of the Annihilator (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Annihilator), it is interesting to note that the IS AC 10's and Medium Lasers of the original -1A can be swapped one for one with Clan Gauss Rifles and Medium ER Lasers.  This seems to me like the logical Clan predecessor to the previously unknown machine the Wolf's Dragoons showed up with, and would be an absolute monster on the battlefield.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 27, 2009, 09:02:56 PM
That's marauder 2, not the clan one, clan version is in nbt I think but it's reseen so it looks dopey. As far as I know a second version of the anni doesn't even exist for anyone to make a model off of, much less a clan one.

 There most certainly is, the Annihilator C, 4 UAC 10's, 4 ER medium lasers.. Can't remember its production date but pretty sure it was made by Nova Cat, and as all clan mechs, put into service by the others.

It's not IIC is it?

 No it was just made with Clan Technology, that Mech Sarna thing says wolves dragoons exclusive but it was legal to field them in tournaments even if you weren't.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on April 28, 2009, 01:07:40 PM
Sarna.net just replicates what is/was written in the TRO's.  The annihilator was a Dragoons designed and produced mech, meaning that very very few were ever seen outside Kell hounds/dragons (and some even in Wolf in exile), but the computer games and in turn the leagues just plain ignore allot of TRO material ... just look at some of the stuff in MW:LL
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on April 29, 2009, 01:43:04 AM
I have no idea if it's planned on, but the Sunder.  One of the best assault mechs ever made.  Speed and manuverability of a heavy with the loadout and armor that can make any mech think twice about engagement.
Hmm that would be a good mech to put into this mod.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on April 29, 2009, 03:01:23 AM
Damn straight.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 29, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
Sarna.net just replicates what is/was written in the TRO's.  The annihilator was a Dragoons designed and produced mech, meaning that very very few were ever seen outside Kell hounds/dragons (and some even in Wolf in exile), but the computer games and in turn the leagues just plain ignore allot of TRO material ... just look at some of the stuff in MW:LL

 CBT tournaments, meaning the most legal of legality'ness in Battletech, periods. There was, and remains a clan Annihilator that was in production and traded through out the clans, just like the Mad Cat MKII was legal to field as an Inner Sphere player as the Mad Cat MKII was traded to the inner sphere but completely stripped of all the electronics and weapons, but was legal to field as any of the clans as it was feasible that they either won them, or just took them.. Same thing really.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on April 29, 2009, 01:34:03 PM
Sarna.net just replicates what is/was written in the TRO's.  The annihilator was a Dragoons designed and produced mech, meaning that very very few were ever seen outside Kell hounds/dragons (and some even in Wolf in exile), but the computer games and in turn the leagues just plain ignore allot of TRO material ... just look at some of the stuff in MW:LL

 CBT tournaments, meaning the most legal of legality'ness in Battletech, periods. There was, and remains a clan Annihilator that was in production and traded through out the clans, just like the Mad Cat MKII was legal to field as an Inner Sphere player as the Mad Cat MKII was traded to the inner sphere but completely stripped of all the electronics and weapons, but was legal to field as any of the clans as it was feasible that they either won them, or just took them.. Same thing really.

According to wizkids ... well we all know how well they have done with the battletech universe, I point your attention to the the 6 legged mechs and 130 ton mechs -rolls eyes-
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 29, 2009, 09:21:52 PM
Sarna.net just replicates what is/was written in the TRO's.  The annihilator was a Dragoons designed and produced mech, meaning that very very few were ever seen outside Kell hounds/dragons (and some even in Wolf in exile), but the computer games and in turn the leagues just plain ignore allot of TRO material ... just look at some of the stuff in MW:LL

 CBT tournaments, meaning the most legal of legality'ness in Battletech, periods. There was, and remains a clan Annihilator that was in production and traded through out the clans, just like the Mad Cat MKII was legal to field as an Inner Sphere player as the Mad Cat MKII was traded to the inner sphere but completely stripped of all the electronics and weapons, but was legal to field as any of the clans as it was feasible that they either won them, or just took them.. Same thing really.

According to wizkids ... well we all know how well they have done with the battletech universe, I point your attention to the the 6 legged mechs and 130 ton mechs -rolls eyes-


 Wizkids didn't run it.. Ugh nevermind you are hopeless.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on April 29, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
I didn't say ruin did I?

I understand for the basis of tournements and gaming that it's available, the wizkid thing was just a offhand remark about what they have done to my beloved battletech in general :/
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on April 29, 2009, 10:10:09 PM
I didn't say ruin did I?

I understand for the basis of tournements and gaming that it's available, the wizkid thing was just a offhand remark about what they have done to my beloved battletech in general :/

 lol oh ok, yes Wizkids farked everything up, but CBT still have tournaments. And whenever I refer to the board game tournies I mean CBT because.. Dark Age isn't a tournament game its not even battletech so shouldn't be mentioned here.

 Anywho I listed 4 Clan mechs so I'll pt IS ones;
 Battle Master
 Rifle Man
 Blood Hound
 Rakshasha... Just cause I like to see when the Innersphere fails, which is a lot! lol nah, its a decent mech, just inferior copy to the Timber Wolf, works tho!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sqarky on May 01, 2009, 03:20:16 AM
My favorite three mechs are
MadCat MK II
Vulture
Shadowcat

That said I'll be on the Clan side
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Ghost on May 01, 2009, 03:34:33 AM
Although I know that they will already be in the game, these are my choices.

Timber Wolf(original)
Vulture
Blood Asp
Cougar
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 01, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
=/ Suggest ones outa game peeps c'mon lol.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on May 01, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
Battlemaster - pick a variant, any variant. Battle-Master: 'nuff said.

Marauder - more specifically: a variant allowing the mechwarrior to dismount the Gauss rifle with it's worthless amount of ammo in favor of either an (R? Ultra?)AC-5 or something similar or perhaps an ER large laser, allowing for the normal amount of heatsinks or more, and perhaps a few more small weapons, such as converting the medium lasers to pulse or ER and adding as many heatsinks as would be reasonable.

Rifleman - King of Anti-Aircraft, in any one of its many variants: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rifleman. A primary load-out balancing energy weapons and ammo weapons with two sub-variants, all-ammo (subbing the med-lasers for machine guns?) and all energy would be awesome. Any of the other odd variants like the Rifleman II or any of the Rifleman IIC.x series, with or without load-out variants would be well received, I think.

Locust - one of the best known and most venerable of the battlemechs. Fast in any configuration, ridiculously so in some variants, and highly useful. I'd like to see either the Clan or IS version from *any* Battletech era included in the game. And/or...

Jenner - there are a number of neat variants on this chassis, both IS and Clan, and any one of them would be a nice addition to the game.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sqarky on May 01, 2009, 11:56:32 PM
=/ Suggest ones outa game peeps c'mon lol.

If you say so.  I would really want to see the Daishi and maybe the Longbow.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Brutal on May 02, 2009, 10:28:28 PM
I always loved the: Uziel, Thanatos, Thor and Madcat but I think the mech I loved the most and would want to see in this great looking mod asap would be the Vulture.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on May 02, 2009, 11:13:25 PM
I always loved the: Uziel, Thanatos, Thor and Madcat but I think the mech I loved the most and would want to see in this great looking mod asap would be the Vulture.

You obviously are one lucky person because all of those are confirmed for MWLL. In fact, the Uziel and Vulture have been featured with their four variants:
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/cpg/displayimage.php?pos=-251
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/cpg/displayimage.php?pos=-311
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Brutal on May 02, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
I always loved the: Uziel, Thanatos, Thor and Madcat but I think the mech I loved the most and would want to see in this great looking mod asap would be the Vulture.

You obviously are one lucky person because all of those are confirmed for MWLL. In fact, the Uziel and Vulture have been featured with their four variants:
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/cpg/displayimage.php?pos=-251
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/cpg/displayimage.php?pos=-311

WOW! just......WOW!  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Strapped McGee on May 04, 2009, 04:39:37 PM
in order (cause i cant pick just one)

madcat mk2
daishi
novacat
longbow
argus
haptman
rifleman
shadowcat
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on May 04, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
Heh...

Urbanmech!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 05, 2009, 05:43:12 AM
=/ Suggest ones outa game peeps c'mon lol.

If you say so.  I would really want to see the Daishi and maybe the Longbow.

 Good choices, I'd like to see both of them in the game too, Longbow's been awhile since I seen one heh.

 
in order (cause i cant pick just one)

madcat mk2
daishi
novacat
longbow
argus
haptman
rifleman
shadowcat

3 of those are already in it heh.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Firestorm on May 08, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
LL needs more Victor (http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/victor0.gif)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 09, 2009, 09:54:01 PM
A picture of a Victor and a Sgt Gunther quote!!!

Impressed +100 points
(although there was that nasty incident with that lance of cadets and the whole Artillery Barrage thing.......)

"This is people your shooting at kid, so don't get soft!"  ;D 8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jetfire on May 10, 2009, 05:08:27 AM
Although I'm a Clanner...

I would like to see the old Shadow Hawk in the game. For the same reasons, the Griffin, to this old war horse, they are truly "classic" mechs.

I'd like to see some facelifts given to these proven combat vets, cuz they deserve it.


*and they are pretty when they go "poof"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 10, 2009, 05:23:33 AM
 I still would really like to see the Stooping Hawk, its one of the prettiest designs but its very unmentioned.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 10, 2009, 06:21:35 PM
urbie urbie urbanmech!!

It could cost as much as a light tank!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Because people mistake me for someone else on May 10, 2009, 09:46:21 PM
no trashcans please, dont wish em xD
little can with an cockpit that really invites you to headshoot xD
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on May 11, 2009, 12:32:09 AM
For that matter, how about a Stinger or a Wasp, with fully functioning transform, of course ;D

They'd have to be uber-expensive, especially given their light armament, but they sure could be fun :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 11, 2009, 01:01:45 AM
For that matter, how about a Stinger or a Wasp, with fully functioning transform, of course ;D

They'd have to be uber-expensive, especially given their light armament, but they sure could be fun :D

 Ooooh jeez I suck at coding but that gives me the biggest head ache I can imagine! lol. Plus.. Stinger? Wasp!? Pfft Phoenix Hawk.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 11, 2009, 06:45:03 AM
If you are talking about the LAM (Land Air 'Mech) versions of the Stinger, Wasp, and Phoenix Hawk, I made a thread about LAMs in general as MWLL units after I modeled one, so you can go look at the discussion there and add any input you may have.  Here's the thread:

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on May 11, 2009, 10:03:30 AM
LL needs more Victor (http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/victor0.gif)

Jeez don't post that ugly shit at least post the better looking original version, which is far far superior.  I don't know why in later TRO's they always had to try and 'pose' the mechs in action shots, it just made them look pretty stupid imo.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 11, 2009, 12:08:02 PM
 They look the same just different poses..


 LAM's would be cool though lol, but man that would just be so hard to do for the team lol. Even if they aren't all that.. Good. It'd be kinda neat if they had the double pilots and everything haha. LAM's need 2 pilots one Mech Warrior and one Aerospace fighter, or a Mechwarrior trained to pilot an Aerospace fighter..

 I still would love to see the Stooping Hawk! Said it before said it again lol. Plus the victor is ugly =P.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bcbear on May 11, 2009, 12:16:30 PM
They look the same just different poses..

Compare the shoulders and the bore of the arm cannon, HUGE differences.
But overall, it looks the same because they're drawings of the same mech :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: GutterBoy5 on May 11, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
clan- cauldron born,articwolf,diemos

IS - avatar,nemesis,sunder
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 11, 2009, 02:13:15 PM
They look the same just different poses..

Compare the shoulders and the bore of the arm cannon, HUGE differences.
But overall, it looks the same because they're drawings of the same mech :P

 Yah but thats just nit picking =P, they are virtually identical.

 
clan- cauldron born,articwolf,diemos

IS - avatar,nemesis,sunder

 Hmm nice choices, Cauldron born would be a must, Articwolf, eeehh its an ok mech... Whats a Diemos?

 Sunder and the Avatar are good old mechs, very nice... But yet again a mech I've never heard about.. Nemesis?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 11, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
A Diemos is what you get when a Clan retro-engineers a Mauler  ;D

*He didn't say it!!! Oh yes he did!!!* ;)

It looks verrrry nice though...and does the Maulers job very nicely too.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: GutterBoy5 on May 11, 2009, 03:24:43 PM
sorry spelt it wrong deimos its a assault clan mech if it has another name dont know it(very popular in NBT)
(Nemesis name in NBT, known as tenchi in MP3 )is a IS heavy mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 11, 2009, 03:52:57 PM
We'd never see the Tenchi from MP3 in MW:LL, it was a 'mech created by a specific unit to honour a member that died, it's not cannon in anyway, and the IP Rights don't give the Devs the option of creating their own new 'mechs, the Tenchi would fall under this category I believe.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 11, 2009, 07:15:39 PM
They look the same just different poses..


 LAM's would be cool though lol, but man that would just be so hard to do for the team lol. Even if they aren't all that.. Good. It'd be kinda neat if they had the double pilots and everything haha. LAM's need 2 pilots one Mech Warrior and one Aerospace fighter, or a Mechwarrior trained to pilot an Aerospace fighter..

 I still would love to see the Stooping Hawk! Said it before said it again lol. Plus the victor is ugly =P.

While it would be another challenge for the team to get the conversion working, LAMs do not require two pilots to operate.  The only reason the Jade Falcon LAMs needed two people to operate was that Clan warriors are not crosstrained in 'Mech and ASF operation so they decided that it was easier to use two people than spend the time crosstraining someone in a second form of combat.  All of the cannon LAMs have only one pilot who has to go through much more training than other pilots, which adds to the already high price of a LAM.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on May 11, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
Grizzly, Argus, Victor
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 12, 2009, 01:34:22 AM
A Diemos is what you get when a Clan retro-engineers a Mauler  ;D

*He didn't say it!!! Oh yes he did!!!* ;)

It looks verrrry nice though...and does the Maulers job very nicely too.

 So.. NBT basically made up mechs any people are trying to say they are canon and should be in? >.> Sheesh as if making up planets wasn't bad enough they had to say Clanners would reverse engineer a mauler!? Come on we had the Warhawk that thing went through Maulers lol, or the MKII! Ah never mind me I never liked NBT from the start I am a true hard line canon guy and they just, lol sorry never mind me.

 
They look the same just different poses..


 LAM's would be cool though lol, but man that would just be so hard to do for the team lol. Even if they aren't all that.. Good. It'd be kinda neat if they had the double pilots and everything haha. LAM's need 2 pilots one Mech Warrior and one Aerospace fighter, or a Mechwarrior trained to pilot an Aerospace fighter..

 I still would love to see the Stooping Hawk! Said it before said it again lol. Plus the victor is ugly =P.

While it would be another challenge for the team to get the conversion working, LAMs do not require two pilots to operate.  The only reason the Jade Falcon LAMs needed two people to operate was that Clan warriors are not crosstrained in 'Mech and ASF operation so they decided that it was easier to use two people than spend the time crosstraining someone in a second form of combat.  All of the cannon LAMs have only one pilot who has to go through much more training than other pilots, which adds to the already high price of a LAM.

 Yeah, but the Falcons handled them the best! =P. Well not best but they did a darn good job, until everyone let out a collected "Meh.." and just kinda.. Stopped makin them lol.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 12, 2009, 02:26:10 AM
I haven't seen the stats on the falcon LAMs, but I think the dual cockpit will eat up too much of the already limited weight of a LAM so I'm going to guess that it was not that great of a job.  I created stats for my model which are posted in the LAM thread (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html), so you can look at the kind of firepower and armor that you can cram into a LAM if you work for it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on May 12, 2009, 07:53:18 AM
HHhmmm IS Vulture, Clan Maddog (Hey why cant they both be in the game) Black Lanner (Card game version), Classic Marauder, Mad Cat, Locust IIC
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 12, 2009, 02:30:20 PM
I haven't seen the stats on the falcon LAMs, but I think the dual cockpit will eat up too much of the already limited weight of a LAM so I'm going to guess that it was not that great of a job.  I created stats for my model which are posted in the LAM thread (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html), so you can look at the kind of firepower and armor that you can cram into a LAM if you work for it.

 Falcon LAM's are the exact same stats, lol don't ask me why but yeah they are.


 .... IS Vulture? Clan Mad Dog!? GHAIOFeoipythe4rg :-[ :-[ :-[ I think my brain, just EXPLODED >.>.. Yeah, its gone, sorry I can't finish this post, I'm gonna go work out at the gym, punch someone in the face a few times, throw them down, make'em pass out.. Get suspended from MMA for being "Tooo rooouuggh"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xKamikazex on May 12, 2009, 04:20:22 PM
Wow, 31 pages.... I wanna see you guys make it to 50 ;).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on May 12, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
I haven't seen the stats on the falcon LAMs, but I think the dual cockpit will eat up too much of the already limited weight of a LAM so I'm going to guess that it was not that great of a job.  I created stats for my model which are posted in the LAM thread (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html), so you can look at the kind of firepower and armor that you can cram into a LAM if you work for it.

 Falcon LAM's are the exact same stats, lol don't ask me why but yeah they are.


 .... IS Vulture? Clan Mad Dog!? GHAIOFeoipythe4rg :-[ :-[ :-[ I think my brain, just EXPLODED >.>.. Yeah, its gone, sorry I can't finish this post, I'm gonna go work out at the gym, punch someone in the face a few times, throw them down, make'em pass out.. Get suspended from MMA for being "Tooo rooouuggh"

The Vulture seen in MW4 was created by the IS (atleast I believe I read that in a source book) from a maddog remains. The Classic Maddog is the one created by the clans Thus the IS vulture and  clan maddog........
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 12, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
I haven't seen the stats on the falcon LAMs, but I think the dual cockpit will eat up too much of the already limited weight of a LAM so I'm going to guess that it was not that great of a job.  I created stats for my model which are posted in the LAM thread (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html), so you can look at the kind of firepower and armor that you can cram into a LAM if you work for it.

 Falcon LAM's are the exact same stats, lol don't ask me why but yeah they are.


 .... IS Vulture? Clan Mad Dog!? GHAIOFeoipythe4rg :-[ :-[ :-[ I think my brain, just EXPLODED >.>.. Yeah, its gone, sorry I can't finish this post, I'm gonna go work out at the gym, punch someone in the face a few times, throw them down, make'em pass out.. Get suspended from MMA for being "Tooo rooouuggh"

The Vulture seen in MW4 was created by the IS (atleast I believe I read that in a source book) from a maddog remains. The Classic Maddog is the one created by the clans Thus the IS vulture and  clan maddog........

Im Vulture is just the IS designation, Mad dog is what the clanners call em. Im pretty sure the mech in MW4 is just a restylized version of it, alot of mechs looked different and clunkier than their TRO entry in MW4.

The blackhawk-ku is an inner sphere rip off of the clan Nova, you may be thinking of that?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 13, 2009, 12:12:05 AM
I haven't seen the stats on the falcon LAMs, but I think the dual cockpit will eat up too much of the already limited weight of a LAM so I'm going to guess that it was not that great of a job.  I created stats for my model which are posted in the LAM thread (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html), so you can look at the kind of firepower and armor that you can cram into a LAM if you work for it.

 Falcon LAM's are the exact same stats, lol don't ask me why but yeah they are.


 .... IS Vulture? Clan Mad Dog!? GHAIOFeoipythe4rg :-[ :-[ :-[ I think my brain, just EXPLODED >.>.. Yeah, its gone, sorry I can't finish this post, I'm gonna go work out at the gym, punch someone in the face a few times, throw them down, make'em pass out.. Get suspended from MMA for being "Tooo rooouuggh"

It's not possible for the falcon LAMs to have the exact same stats because they have the dual cockpits.  It is possible that they increased the overall size or used endosteel and/or FF armor to free up the weight, but to get two people in would require more weight which must come from somewhere.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on May 13, 2009, 01:03:45 AM
No im thinking of a new source book that came out around mw4 mercs that had all the mercs mechs in it and the Vulture in mw4 saying it was a IS Mech created from a salvaged maddog. It wasnt in the first printing of the 3067 but the 2nd printing. I believe the Vulture in MW4 is also known as a Vulture II
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 13, 2009, 01:14:26 AM
Wasn't the Rakshasa an attempted copy of a timby that they salvaged? Not saying that this is what your thinking, just pointing out that this mocking of clan mechs isnt unheard of, but i usually dont know what im talking about when it comes to BT history  ::). Will review my TRO later and confirm.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on May 13, 2009, 01:20:16 AM
Rakshasa was a failed timby. Later CDS made the Madcat mk2 to sell to the IS. The Blackhawk-ku was a copy of a nova. And the Vulture II (The mw4 mech) was a IS mech built with off the clan vulture. It was in a 3067 reprint I may still have the book to copy. They also made a vulture III and Vulture IV in darkage. Vulture III looked alot like a Vulture II and the IV looked alittle weird....
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 13, 2009, 01:32:10 AM
I haven't seen the stats on the falcon LAMs, but I think the dual cockpit will eat up too much of the already limited weight of a LAM so I'm going to guess that it was not that great of a job.  I created stats for my model which are posted in the LAM thread (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html), so you can look at the kind of firepower and armor that you can cram into a LAM if you work for it.

 Falcon LAM's are the exact same stats, lol don't ask me why but yeah they are.


 .... IS Vulture? Clan Mad Dog!? GHAIOFeoipythe4rg :-[ :-[ :-[ I think my brain, just EXPLODED >.>.. Yeah, its gone, sorry I can't finish this post, I'm gonna go work out at the gym, punch someone in the face a few times, throw them down, make'em pass out.. Get suspended from MMA for being "Tooo rooouuggh"

It's not possible for the falcon LAMs to have the exact same stats because they have the dual cockpits.  It is possible that they increased the overall size or used endosteel and/or FF armor to free up the weight, but to get two people in would require more weight which must come from somewhere.

 *Shrugs* Well they got them =P, there was never any distinction of difference on the board game for them, no TRO entries saying any different, if it aint it, we assume since we were allowed to play'em with the exact same states =P.

 
Wasn't the Rakshasa an attempted copy of a timby that they salvaged? Not saying that this is what your thinking, just pointing out that this mocking of clan mechs isnt unheard of, but i usually dont know what im talking about when it comes to BT history  ::). Will review my TRO later and confirm.

 Well some people will argue it not being a failure, but yeah pretty much it was a failure.

 
No im thinking of a new source book that came out around mw4 mercs that had all the mercs mechs in it and the Vulture in mw4 saying it was a IS Mech created from a salvaged maddog. It wasnt in the first printing of the 3067 but the 2nd printing. I believe the Vulture in MW4 is also known as a Vulture II

 *Deep breath, sighs* Okay, I went to the gym, worked out, knocked out my sparring partner and no one else would spar with me  for the day so I went to the bags, and I am ready to deal with this! No, you're wrong, sorry. There is no "Vulture II" and if there were ever going to the be a continuation of the series it would be a Mad Dog MKII.

 The Mad Dog (Vulture) is a CLAN mech, and the one in MW4 that the guy used in the intro video a long with that shadow cat were salvaged CLAN mechs because the Inner Sphere loves to salvage and use CLAN mechs, they are usually tougher pieces of equipment, better armed and have amazing heat dissipation so any chance they can, if that Mad Dog falls on the field and doesn't go BOOM they swoop in, repair everything best they can and then some VERY prestigious warrior gets it.

 Unless NBT came up with some crap about that, sorry man it's not that way.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 13, 2009, 01:58:23 AM
Your thinking of the Bushy being based on the Maddog/Vulture:

"The Bushwacker was originally a failed BattleMech designed to have a smaller forward profile to make the 'Mech a harder target to hit. The Bushwacker's unique design caused problems with the engine shielding, the side-effects of which manifested themselves as various gremlins in the 'Mech's on board electronics. The 'Mech was redesigned after schematics for an OmniMech known as the Vulture were captured during a raid into Clan territory. Information gleaned from the schematics was used to overcome the aforementioned engine shielding problems. Finding the schematics had given the Bushwacker a second lease on life."


Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 13, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
*Shrugs* Well they got them =P, there was never any distinction of difference on the board game for them, no TRO entries saying any different, if it aint it, we assume since we were allowed to play'em with the exact same states =P.

Just because they were not in the TROs does not mean they were the same machines.  BT has a lot of customization, and authors have been known to put characters in variants that do not appear in the TROs.  Some of these are canonized later, but the LAMs have not been because of the legal mess surrounding the original LAMs.  I would say to look over the book again if you have it to see if you can find a modification list, but from what you are saying it sounds like they tweaked it in a minor enough way to leave the same machine as far as weapons go.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 13, 2009, 02:07:07 AM
 Yup same weapon load outs, armor, speed etc even in the books when its operating its got all the same weapons heh.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 13, 2009, 02:17:29 AM
Then I guess it was probably just a minor tweak to get the extra person in there.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 13, 2009, 02:36:12 AM
Then I guess it was probably just a minor tweak to get the extra person in there.

 Well if you think about it now adays it doesn't take too much to covert your single seater to a two seater as long as its a compatible airframe, and mechs usually got lotsa roominess.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 13, 2009, 03:43:37 AM
Rakshasa was a failed timby. Later CDS made the Madcat mk2 to sell to the IS. The Blackhawk-ku was a copy of a nova. And the Vulture II (The mw4 mech) was a IS mech built with off the clan vulture. It was in a 3067 reprint I may still have the book to copy. They also made a vulture III and Vulture IV in darkage. Vulture III looked alot like a Vulture II and the IV looked alittle weird....

I'm not saying you are wrong, but i think that is a matter of opinion whether it is a good or bad mech. I'm sure it was a great breakthough for the IS, but just because it didn't match up to the original doesn't meant it is failed. I also tend to agree with Valaska, the MW4 vulture is just a Mad Dog. I think the Rakshasa is a sort of example that the IS isn't capable of even copying a clan mech, let alone making a successor such as this Vulture II. However, again i haven't gotten around to ready many BT books so i don't really know crap about the history. This comes from my logical point of view, and not necessarily a correct point of view.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 13, 2009, 05:28:16 AM
Then I guess it was probably just a minor tweak to get the extra person in there.

 Well if you think about it now adays it doesn't take too much to covert your single seater to a two seater as long as its a compatible airframe, and mechs usually got lotsa roominess.

Space is not my concern because most 'Mechs including LAMs have plenty of that.  My concern was weight because LAMs have to pay another 10% of their total weight for conversion gear so they usually have to work to free up enough weight for fun gadgets like the dual cockpit.  As for the Jade Falcon LAMs, I'm going through the LAM thread to end all LAM threads (http://) on the CBT forums to see what they have.  Here are some quotes:

Quote
the Jade Falcons' seem incapable of crosstraining their pilots (they acquired two LAMs, rebuilt them with advanced tech and dual-cockpits, and then found that the MechWarrior and ASF pilot would fight too much over which mode to fight from)

Quote
Conclusions (general):
-These are two-pilot machines; one pilot for BattleMech mode, and one pilot for AirMech and ASF mode.
-LAMs have a single switch by which they change modes - it's not a complicated process for the pilot.
-There are at least three LAMs potentially remaining in Clan space
-A LAM can lose both legs and still fly
-Both Clan LAMs have two full sets of controls, and Evil Twin Two has a jumpseat for a third passenger.
-Putting a second set of controls and a jump seat in the Stinger LAM didn't appreciably increase the cockpit size.
-Legs are mentioned as extending twice.  Does does that imply that they retract into somewhere on the Mech, or retracting into themselves (growing shorter and longer)?

Conclusions (Evil Twin One):
-A LAM can lose both legs and still fly - does this indicate that jump jets for that Mech are NOT in the legs?
-Even though this LAM is described as being very close to a Phoenix Hawk LAM, it never uses the LRMs found on that model, nor mentions having them.  It explicitly loses the machine gun on that Mech, however.
-This LAM mounted at least two medium lasers (p 260), two large lasers (p 230) and an SRM rack (p 230)
-This LAM weighs very close to 50 tons, though "corners were cut" to keep it close to its original tonnage.  Does that imply use of extra-light materials?
-This LAM's large lasers fire "pulses".
-This LAM has extra jump capacity - this sounds like the 3x jump thing, but could be extra internal fuel.

Conclusions (Evil Twin Two):
-This LAM weighs at least 40 tons, and possibly 45.
-It has lost ground speed by "thickened legs" (extra armor?), but increased airspeed (IJJs?).
-At least one of Evil Twin Two's Machine Guns is arm-mounted.
-This Mech mounts JJs, but doesn't have the increased ability from them that Evil Twin One does.
-Adding "stress points" will weaken the internal structure of the machine - weapon mounts count as stress points.  This is unlike descriptions of BattleMechs, where the addition of weapons or ammo bins is fairly trivial.

So it looks like they used lighter Clan gear and a weight increase to get the free weight for the dual cockpit.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on May 13, 2009, 07:18:43 AM
Rakshasa was a failed timby. Later CDS made the Madcat mk2 to sell to the IS. The Blackhawk-ku was a copy of a nova. And the Vulture II (The mw4 mech) was a IS mech built with off the clan vulture. It was in a 3067 reprint I may still have the book to copy. They also made a vulture III and Vulture IV in darkage. Vulture III looked alot like a Vulture II and the IV looked alittle weird....

I'm not saying you are wrong, but i think that is a matter of opinion whether it is a good or bad mech. I'm sure it was a great breakthough for the IS, but just because it didn't match up to the original doesn't meant it is failed. I also tend to agree with Valaska, the MW4 vulture is just a Mad Dog. I think the Rakshasa is a sort of example that the IS isn't capable of even copying a clan mech, let alone making a successor such as this Vulture II. However, again i haven't gotten around to ready many BT books so i don't really know crap about the history. This comes from my logical point of view, and not necessarily a correct point of view.

Difference is the Vulture II was created much later than the rakshasa
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 13, 2009, 07:26:07 AM
 Yeah another command couch would weigh a bit but probably not even half a ton, in the books the pilots were sitting literally command couch pressed up behind the other lol. I'm betting msot it would take is extra set of control input..

 And Valkyrie.. The Vulture II doesn't Exist, there is no such mech buddy, I'm sorry ._.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 13, 2009, 07:59:20 AM
Actually, according to the BT wiki the Dual Cockpit (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dual_cockpit) takes an extra ton and critical slot over a standard cockpit, so you do have to open up weight for it, and it forces you to move any head mounted weapons or equipment because it needs that slot.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 13, 2009, 08:18:02 AM
 Hm odd.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 13, 2009, 04:33:36 PM
Valkyrie, I've got to agree with Valasa, the Vulture II as seen in NBT-HC has the blurb in the "Comstar" tab in mechbay. "Made by the Clans for export to the Inner Sphere" so it's clearly fluff.

Plus it's not in any of the TROs, I double-checked for any reference and I have them all Mwuhahaha  ::) Ad it has to be said if it ain't cannon it ain't tournament legal and so not proper Batletech, same fact is there for your monster CGB warship I'm orry to say Diablo  But lets keep our disagreements on that and LAMs to their respective threads ;)

Hard to see any clan, except perhaps an exiled/"annihilated" or bandit caste clan selling anything to the IS, the Clanners warrior caste, for most clans,  are just not that interested in money, let alone trade, and trade in their weapons would be dishonourable to most, given their philosophy "why trade if you want our Omnimech blueprints make a bid and try to take it from us!" so that's gotta be NBT working around the story to get the Vulture to IS merc/house units IMO.

(Oh, and I actually like NBT-HC, non-cannon 'mechs and all, I wasted many happy hours blasting 'mechs in HC, and it kept me warm during the long winter we've had since MW4)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 13, 2009, 09:27:40 PM
 CDS made the Timber Wolf MKII almost exclusively for Inner Sphere Export and its not the firs time, that's why it has the handle Mad Cat MKII its actually a proper name though I still refer to it as Timber Wolf. Clans actually sell to IS factions quite frequently, its good money and they sorta have an unrestricted market, they take gutted out shells of mechs and sell them with no electronics etc basically the framewire, thats why even though the MKII is sold to the Inner Sphere on a wide basis you see like 4 lol.

 The way the Clans got hold of it is trials of possession and salvage and you can imagine intercepting Sphere bound CDS trade ships. But yeah I'm still looking through my TRO's, I don't have 3060. I still don't like NBT, making stuff up and twisting the lore and then screwing with the mech bay which MW4 actually got pretty darn good... Then they try and make it "More like CBT!" But come on they gave up that right with making a giant ring of worls all the way to the chaos march and back and making up planets gettings planets places and names wrong.. Come on they have a map for battletech! lol.

 I dunno NBT prolly would support dark age if they could.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 13, 2009, 11:58:42 PM
Annihilator 2A.
Slow as all fapp, but damn, what a barrage.
Can crit ANYTHING to pieces.
No XL-Reactor, Case, If you use the right Ammo not all that much that can go boom anyway.
And if you use your pulsers sparingly, you will even stay relatively cold. But thin Armor. And no good Heat-Capacity.

Annihilator 3A.
Slow as all fapp, but damn, what precision.
Can crit ANYTHING to pieces.
No XL-Reactor, if you use Precision Ammo and allow for light AC's to fire as Ultra-AC's, you will go through your Ammo in the Blink of an Eye.
And if the Ammo/AC'S are gone, there's still 4 IS ER Medium Lasers. And all of those weapons are tied into a targetting computer.
Armor that would make most other Assault mechs weep with Envy. Fully armored, 306 plates of steel. Many free Crit Locations.
Enough Heat-Sinks to keep firing without getting too warm. Keep an ER-Medium out of the Firing Circuit at some point and you are Cold again.

Annihilator 4A.
Slow as all fapp, but damn, what an ammount of Fire-Power.
No XL-Reactor, Not that much Ammo, if you use Precision Ammo, 2 LB-X10 for Crits, 2 Heavy Peps for Punch-Through-Damage/Reach.
Enough Heat-Sinks to keep firing and not overheat all that much. Leave a PPC out of the Barrage and you are cold again.
And again, fully Armored with 306 Plates of Steel.

The worst part?
All of those 100t Monsters are below 1800BV.
If you can get/use all 3 of them(i love my new mercenary unit), you can have 300 tons in 5000 BV
There's single Mechs that can eat up allmost all of that BV.


But those mechs, as all that rely on LB-X or large ammounts of smaller weapons, will require a really good critical hit system . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Criminal on May 13, 2009, 11:59:51 PM
Annihilator 2A.
Slow as all fapp, but damn, what a barrage.
Can crit ANYTHING to pieces.
No XL-Reactor, Case, If you use the right Ammo not all that much that can go boom anyway.
And if you use your pulsers sparingly, you will even stay relatively cold. But thin Armor. And no good Heat-Capacity.

Annihilator 3A.
Slow as all fapp, but damn, what precision.
Can crit ANYTHING to pieces.
No XL-Reactor, if you use Precision Ammo and allow for light AC's to fire as Ultra-AC's, you will go through your Ammo in the Blink of an Eye.
And if the Ammo/AC'S are gone, there's still 4 IS ER Medium Lasers. And all of those weapons are tied into a targetting computer.
Armor that would make most other Assault mechs weep with Envy. Fully armored, 306 plates of steel. Many free Crit Locations.
Enough Heat-Sinks to keep firing without getting too warm. Keep an ER-Medium out of the Firing Circuit at some point and you are Cold again.

Annihilator 4A.
Slow as all fapp, but damn, what an ammount of Fire-Power.
No XL-Reactor, Not that much Ammo, if you use Precision Ammo, 2 LB-X10 for Crits, 2 Heavy Peps for Punch-Through-Damage/Reach.
Enough Heat-Sinks to keep firing and not overheat all that much. Leave a PPC out of the Barrage and you are cold again.
And again, fully Armored with 306 Plates of Steel.

The worst part?
All of those 100t Monsters are below 1800BV.
If you can get/use all 3 of them(i love my new mercenary unit), you can have 300 tons in 5000 BV
There's single Mechs that can eat up allmost all of that BV.

Agreed 100%  We need that and the Highlander IIC cause it looks so badass :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 14, 2009, 12:01:43 AM
No, we need the Highlander IIC so i can do a frigging Highlander-Burial on one of those fugly new and expansive Mechs <.< . .
But yes, i agree with you ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on May 14, 2009, 03:54:04 PM
No, we need the Highlander IIC

hnn which reminds me that I only barely started working on it in 3DS but left it *hides* thanks for putting that in my head again Stahlseele ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 14, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
No, we need the Highlander IIC so i can do a frigging Highlander-Burial on one of those fugly new and expansive Mechs <.< . .
But yes, i agree with you ^^

Hellz yeah you would have no idea how much I would love that.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on May 14, 2009, 10:18:14 PM
Annihilator's are just too damn easy to hit. If you can get them into a nice firing position where the speed doesn't matter, you're good, but the LB-10X doesn't have the range to really write home about. It makes a terrific close quarters mech such as urban assault or dense jungle.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 14, 2009, 10:39:25 PM
No, we need the Highlander IIC so i can do a frigging Highlander-Burial on one of those fugly new and expansive Mechs <.< . .
But yes, i agree with you ^^

Hellz yeah you would have no idea how much I would love that.

 I have to agree I love the Highlander IIC and its one of the few IS mechs I've always been wary of on the field no matter what game I am playing including the board game, thing could take a beating keep on fighitng.. Course it drops like a rock against my custom girls lol.


 Not many people know aboot the stooping hawk it seems.


 (http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/31_Maddoc_CJF_Mu_StoopingHawk.jpg)
(lol even in the best clans colours)

 (http://www.angelfire.com/in2/togakureryu/battletech/mech_pics/stoopinghawk.jpg)

 You can see the details here.

 (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/8/86/Stooping_Hawk.jpg/191px-Stooping_Hawk.jpg)

 And from Sarna, even though they shrunk that picture from the tro like.. Like... I dunno cold water shrinks *AHEM* anywho, great medium hehe.

 AC 10, 2 ER Mediums and 2 Med Pulse lasers! Its really quick, has one of the best profiles around and is like one of the only good things to come outa CBS lol. I don't really have anything again CBS, they are alright.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 14, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
Umm the "IIC" stands for two Clan right?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 14, 2009, 10:56:10 PM
 Uhhh.. All I can remember is they are usually just PGC's (Provisional Garrison Clusters).. Used to be II-C lol, so maybe 2 Clan.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Because people mistake me for someone else on May 15, 2009, 07:58:47 AM
IIC = Mod.2 Clan-Version ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on May 15, 2009, 10:03:10 AM
No, we need the Highlander IIC so i can do a frigging Highlander-Burial on one of those fugly new and expansive Mechs <.< . .
But yes, i agree with you ^^

Here's something low poly for you then.

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii66/samuraimc/HIICpose.jpg)

And a comparison to the original.

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii66/samuraimc/highlanderIIC7.jpg)

It's by no means a perfect model - didn't even get around to a high poly, but it was my first attempt at something not in a tutorial and I enjoyed making it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 15, 2009, 12:12:52 PM
 What you talking about that model is amazing perfect paintjob an.. Oh! Your poly, looks awesome mate :p.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 15, 2009, 01:51:54 PM
Certainly good enough O.o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Serious Table on May 15, 2009, 06:47:24 PM
Being new here, I have to post what I hope to see in MWLL, though I doubt I will.

My favorite mech (Timber Wolf aside) has to be the Tundra Wolf.  Good sized Mech with an ARROW IV system, Four Medium Lasers, a Large Laser, Streak SRM 6, and an LRM 20 rack (I think there's a Small laser or Small Pulse somewhere in there, but I don't remember).  Throw in a MASC in a damn sexy chassis, and it's just awesome!  :D

But hey.  There's a Timber Wolf in there.  I'm happy.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 15, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
Being new here, I have to post what I hope to see in MWLL, though I doubt I will.

My favorite mech (Timber Wolf aside) has to be the Tundra Wolf.  Good sized Mech with an ARROW IV system, Four Medium Lasers, a Large Laser, Streak SRM 6, and an LRM 20 rack (I think there's a Small laser or Small Pulse somewhere in there, but I don't remember).  Throw in a MASC in a damn sexy chassis, and it's just awesome!  :D

But hey.  There's a Timber Wolf in there.  I'm happy.

wrong time period, the tundra wolf (being a dark age mech) is way way way after the clan invasion, and wouldnt fit in here.  :-\
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Serious Table on May 15, 2009, 07:04:32 PM
Ah, not something I knew.  I could have sworn I saw a Tundra Wolf in an earlier time period, but I seem to be mistaken.  *shrug*  Ah well.  I've had worse.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on May 16, 2009, 05:46:02 AM
Such a sexy mech though.  Perhaps some high ranking general kept one in his garage as a collector and we get to use it for LL?   :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on May 16, 2009, 06:55:18 AM
Certainly good enough O.o

Glad you liked it :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xPyroAcidx on May 16, 2009, 12:22:49 PM
i.s Hatchetman 45ton fireaxe looking blade   
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=1&ZFaction=1&XEra=10&XVid=604&XPrev=453&XNext=605

i.s Axman 65ton duel blade axe "theres a model with 2 pods"
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=1&XEra=9&XVid=635&XPrev=1683&XNext=636

 i.s Hatamoto-Chi 80ton this mech has a sword but does not show it  on the specs but the hand clearly show it can mount one.
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=1&ZFaction=1&XEra=9&XVid=663&XPrev=528&XNext=529

i.s Ostsol 60ton  this mech is clearly for rockem sockem all the weapons are in the torso and arms are left to pic up and slam and punch stuff
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=1&XEra=10&XVid=1104&XPrev=1103&XNext=1116
clan 80t Phoenix Hawk IIC config 1
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=2&XEra=10&XVid=1002&XPrev=1036&XNext=1105
 clan 80t Phoenix Hawk IIC config 2  just showing the weapons in the torso can be switched  out thing looks like what armed core riped off hehe.
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=2&XEra=10&XVid=1105&XPrev=1002&XNext=1106   

if they were to add melee be nice to have a slection of hand held versons of the weapons they could drop along with axes, morning stars, mace, swords but this whould be onley more affective on fast mechs like 45 and 65ton mech but the hvy slow ones be good for ambushs and tanks
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 16, 2009, 12:54:18 PM
Certainly good enough O.o

Glad you liked it :D
I especially like how you manages to capute the exact same pose the model is in, with only miniscule deviations by just looking at the picture i guess O.o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 16, 2009, 06:51:06 PM
I think melee weapons would b e good if balanced well (general statement i know) People could just load up on armour on a hatchetman, might not work but might be really lame too. I think the sword is kind of silly IMO. I can understand a hatchet/ax because it has good weight and would be strong because it's a strong hunk oh metal on the end of a short pole, but swords are designed for slashing soft material (skin) which mechs are not made out of. Plus it wouldn't have the weight, and therefore momentum of an axe. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 16, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
i.s Hatchetman 45ton fireaxe looking blade   
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=1&ZFaction=1&XEra=10&XVid=604&XPrev=453&XNext=605

i.s Axman 65ton duel blade axe "theres a model with 2 pods"
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=1&XEra=9&XVid=635&XPrev=1683&XNext=636

 i.s Hatamoto-Chi 80ton this mech has a sword but does not show it  on the specs but the hand clearly show it can mount one.
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=1&ZFaction=1&XEra=9&XVid=663&XPrev=528&XNext=529

i.s Ostsol 60ton  this mech is clearly for rockem sockem all the weapons are in the torso and arms are left to pic up and slam and punch stuff
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=1&XEra=10&XVid=1104&XPrev=1103&XNext=1116
clan 80t Phoenix Hawk IIC config 1
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=2&XEra=10&XVid=1002&XPrev=1036&XNext=1105
 clan 80t Phoenix Hawk IIC config 2  just showing the weapons in the torso can be switched  out thing looks like what armed core riped off hehe.
http://www.chaosmarch.com/output.cfm?ZVType=1&flag=0&ZFaction=2&XEra=10&XVid=1105&XPrev=1002&XNext=1106   

if they were to add melee be nice to have a slection of hand held versons of the weapons they could drop along with axes, morning stars, mace, swords but this whould be onley more affective on fast mechs like 45 and 65ton mech but the hvy slow ones be good for ambushs and tanks


melee attacks are rarely practical in the battletech universe, they are generally an act of desperation, or a nasty trick for urban warfare. I agree Id like to see the hatchetman, and even see mechs like the atlas be able to punch, but mechs with all sorts of axes maces and swords... sounds more like gundam than battletech to me.

The Hatamoto Chi isn't generally used with a sword (I think one of the characters in the novels did though) The mechs with close combat weapons default (from memory)

Hatchetman
Axman
Ti Tsang
No Dachi
Scarabus
Nightsky
Kodiak (if you count the big ol claws!)

I think there are a couple more...

@Highlander I agree a sword on a Kurita mech is much more of a status\ceremonial symbol than a weapon, though Im sure it could do some damage in a pinch.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 16, 2009, 08:59:47 PM
Ever seen a Berserker with Tripple Strength Myomer in Close Combat?
Axe/Kick with 40 Damage.
Even Assaults will be crippled after one hit.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 16, 2009, 09:08:08 PM
ahh how could I forget about the berserker.

Still I dont recall any novels featuring the berserker...

I realize close combat can be deadly in CBT, even with its respectable speed how well would that berserker fair charging a clan frontline omni across open terrain?

Not too well Id think.

Im not saying close combat doesn't have its place, but using close combat as a primary means to destroy an enemy mech is an exception, not the rule.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 16, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
5/8 with TSM, Fully Armored, either 2 Heavy Puls or 2 ER-PPC's or something like that.
And enough Sinks to keep the heat down, if you do NOT use the Flamer.
Nasty way to fapp up the speed? shoot missles at them.
the AMS will generate +1 Heat and they slow down.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xPyroAcidx on May 17, 2009, 09:32:55 AM
not to make it gundom? umm lol there are mechs in BT that are gundom like so how can you say not make it like gundom when mechs in even in the bt universe are like gundom? i know bt came 1st i dont really like gundom but look in bt the mechs exist also your right sword whould not work right but a mech sized  baseball bat  club or mace  is more peractal. thats why i said fast mechs whould benfit form melee but yah open range combat you better know how to dip bob dodge lol i mean you even got the elemental thats known for riping armor off with its claw  then shooting the internals or riping the pilot out.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 17, 2009, 10:26:48 AM
Dude O.o
. , ; < = those three are your friends.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cowking on May 17, 2009, 06:54:23 PM
thats why i said fast mechs whould benfit form melee

1 thing you forgot... A 100 ton mech punching has ALOT more force behind it than a 35 ton mech... So light mechs would not benefit from close range fighting. (Thing about it like a heavy weight wrestler vs a light weight boxer... The boxer has to keep moving and duck in and out in order to land blows, but if he gets hit or grabbed he's done for.) But of course it was a unfair fight to begin with xD also generally the fast mechs the benefit from close range combat are those with jumpjets, because a Atlas that moves slow could just stay in one spot and rotate while pounding his lighter armor(but faster) enemy into a pulp.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xPyroAcidx on May 18, 2009, 11:06:12 AM
well atlas might have a harder punch but its less stable then say a lighter mech going slash crazy  when it is designed to do so taller and biger means they have to be slower  to be  more stable, if you got a ambush on a atlas with these meele mechs its going to have a bad day come on a what 4ton axe smashing into a cockpit window or its buckly legs? lol i know were the pilot sits in a atlas  its right eye.  the joints of a mech? the rear joints on a timberwolf? not saying  the mech is indusrtable but look at the weak points on the mechs + i.s are not like the clans in there honor code of dont leg i.s axeman whould aim at a bigger taller mechs legs and play treeloger. 4ton axe moveing at 100mph+ but yet your right he has to get in there 1st to use it sure atlas can punch but better hope u dont miss becouse it whould be slower to retract the punch to do it agian. and to even punch a mech thats half your size?. sure if its comeing stright at you and humpign your chins but these melee mechs look more menuberble and can dodge alot better. i know none of you like armorcore or these ofther anime style mechas but battletech is what they riped off based off of and all the mechs that have been added to pc games have been all the buckly ones becouse no one has came up with a good melee system or menuberlty system its all been all direct weapons and locking missiles not riping a arm off with a punch or pulling a mech over to trip it "ehh dont make it to much like these anime games? well these mechs exist in the universe excoude them just becouse they mirrior these aspects of the games? hell if you added them you might restart this universe with a fan base becouse come on  poping up and down behind ridges? with snipers and ppcs and lrms this has been what these games have been about  just mech2 was more of a brawler game becouse ppcs and rifles were to slow to use and er large and large pulse were to hot to use. also with melee a jumping melee mech can jump up and out menuber a bigger mech and chop his cockpit out. with targeting .  all these games have been is spam the hvy damageing laser or ppcs or rifles. "weres my direwolf!!" were my gladator  with 3 rifle and  ppc and jjs or you had guys with spamed ac2's chined rocking you for 1000mm out or cyclops with 7 mini rifles i see this mod turning out like this once your able to put what ever you want on it nothing but sniper or missile boats becouse everyone wants to win this i why think melee  system needs to be added and be able to dodge along with jumpjets also to do alot of damage to make it funner then just playing pong. with robots and eyecandy. but game is almost done and  just becouse a mech has more firepower and is heavyer don't make it more deadly or a mech that is lighter don't make it less deadly just melee mechs with jumpjets have a advantege. they can trip,push and jump and swing while fireing.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on May 18, 2009, 11:13:40 AM
Melee attacks were quite rare pre-Wizkids addons, they were limited a to a couple mechs and/or punch/kick in close quarters.  Along come the kidz and now 15% of the mechs are carrying some sort of gundam/powerranger-esque weapon.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xPyroAcidx on May 18, 2009, 11:46:13 AM
dude quit compareing it to gundom or power rangers they use it becouse it looks cool. in  Bt they use them becouse the ecomany was crashing and onley higher ranks were allowed to pilot mechs mw darkage was how our systems is  now its crashing there in a mech depresson. so what you going to do? cant fit your mechs with all the high tech stuff and you can make a blunt object out of some metals you have around the planet or mines or turn a builder mech into a war mechine ? that are basicly mineing tools content beam  lasers basicly a laser ment for drilling. chainsaw?  dimond edge your going to be cuting threw mechs like warm knife threw butter.ment for cuting rock or buildings to safe pepole. but in 3050 BT there are "gundom mechs"  iam not saying go all power ranger and damn thing turns into a light saber and do ninja spin kicks
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cowking on May 18, 2009, 11:51:35 PM
Let me put it this way simply... A 4-5 ton freight truck vs a 100 ton train... who wins...

Lets use science to argue my point... space it relative, so is velocity. you add the total velocity of both objects to a collision.

lets say the Atlas is going 10 miles/hr and the light mech is going 30-40 (to fast and you'd miss) and I'd say the arm could swing with a force at face of the axe at a speed of 100 miles and hr as a fair guess so it total is 150ish. In a collision at 150mile/hr the Atlas will be MUCH more stable and it would probably lift up the light mech up in order to make a decent cut into the atlas's armor.

But then turn this around and the Atlas punches the light sure it could try to dodge but in order to get in range to swing its axe it is in easy striking distance of the Atlas's fist. which would smash it up pretty good.

The way your talking about you assume these mech don't seem to have much armor. but in truth their armor is ridiculously tough and thick, but lighter than modern armor.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: BlackRook on May 19, 2009, 04:17:18 AM
I for one, am really excited about the Puma. I remember back in the Mechwarrior 3 days where I'd strip the entire Puma down to a simple light laser. I was out running missiles and avoiding everything, taking down Awesome's and Atlas'. :P Go Puma!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 19, 2009, 04:37:26 AM
dude quit compareing it to gundom or power rangers they use it becouse it looks cool. in  Bt they use them becouse the ecomany was crashing and onley higher ranks were allowed to pilot mechs mw darkage was how our systems is  now its crashing there in a mech depresson. so what you going to do? cant fit your mechs with all the high tech stuff and you can make a blunt object out of some metals you have around the planet or mines or turn a builder mech into a war mechine ? that are basicly mineing tools content beam  lasers basicly a laser ment for drilling. chainsaw?  dimond edge your going to be cuting threw mechs like warm knife threw butter.ment for cuting rock or buildings to safe pepole. but in 3050 BT there are "gundom mechs"  iam not saying go all power ranger and damn thing turns into a light saber and do ninja spin kicks

I think your sort of missing the point.

If you have a light tank, and I have a heavy tank, I can run your tank down and maybe crush it or tip it over, but why would I want to do that if I can shoot you? And maybe you put a big ram on your light tank, and coated it with shaped charges so its a close combat monster, why would you want to ram my heavy tank when you'd be better served just using your main gun or running away?

^^^ could be summed up as, we don't put close combat weapons on tanks to kill other tanks, mechs are like walking, versatile up gunned tanks. soooo.....
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on May 19, 2009, 07:41:55 AM
i know bt came 1st

Gundam was several years before bt.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on May 19, 2009, 08:29:25 AM
i know bt came 1st

Gundam was several years before bt.

Sadly, you are correct. Gundam first aired for one season between 1979 and 1980, producing 43 episodes in that time; Battletech was first published in 1984.

A great big, giant, "Meh" to Gundam though. I never saw any of the apparently terrible Battletech anime, but I must say that outside any anime, it has, imnsho, a vastly better plot and story, and a massively superior role-playing/war-gaming system. If I recall correctly from back in the Toonami days (circa 2000), though, Gundam is pretty terrible anime too, and the videogames I played for it were pretty rotten too, iirc.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xPyroAcidx on May 19, 2009, 09:35:35 AM
lol ok good  way to look at this  watch this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWIA3OwCAwI&feature=related    vikeing being the axeman  atlas being the samurai  sam wins better armor better weapons but the vike tears the sam up pertty good. atlas whould be walking away with  deep gachs in its legs torso maybe a missing arm and few dule lbx shots to the torso and axeman whould be a smokeing heep with its arms blown up a chunk of its torso missing. just was saying the axe whould be a more damageing weapon then say a gussrifle or lbx20
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 19, 2009, 09:58:32 PM
lol ok good  way to look at this  watch this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWIA3OwCAwI&feature=related    vikeing being the axeman  atlas being the samurai  sam wins better armor better weapons but the vike tears the sam up pertty good. atlas whould be walking away with  deep gachs in its legs torso maybe a missing arm and few dule lbx shots to the torso and axeman whould be a smokeing heep with its arms blown up a chunk of its torso missing. just was saying the axe whould be a more damageing weapon then say a gussrifle or lbx20

Ok im sorry but.. WHAT?!!?! You cannot compair metal armor with flesh, and LBX/Gauss with a bow! Besides, atlas would shoot the Axeman as he slowly closed the gap having to fight knockback until he would get close with major damage, probably to the legs or engine, then take a swing and either miss or hit with SOME damage, to get punched in the face by the atlas. IMO, melee is a gimmick, like a modern soldier carrying a chainsaw on their back instead of normal equipment. The hatchet might have more damage, but it doesnt have range, which is why we use guns now, not swords.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on May 20, 2009, 01:10:24 AM
A great big, giant, "Meh" to Gundam though. I never saw any of the apparently terrible Battletech anime, but I must say that outside any anime, it has, imnsho, a vastly better plot and story, and a massively superior role-playing/war-gaming system. If I recall correctly from back in the Toonami days (circa 2000), though, Gundam is pretty terrible anime too, and the videogames I played for it were pretty rotten too, iirc.

Yes, all gundam games I've seen so far are crap save for rise from the ashes, which was for dreamcast. I actually got it to work on my computer, but the controls were unplayable. It was basically mechwarrior styled with a cockpit view>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYAzIRidef0&feature=related&fmt=18

Gundam was good to begin with, but the later series not so much. If you haven't seen it watch the 08th ms team series, you can probably find the english dubbed version on youtube. It has a more realistic approach to gundam, and is enjoyable because of that. Reminds me of 3025 bt what with the mechs breaking down and some of the jury-rigging going on.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cowking on May 20, 2009, 03:13:32 AM
snip
more! snip

I agree with highlander and i refuse to accept a Youtube video as a ligament source(it has to be posted by either a real rein actors and military scientist/historians.) Beside Flesh is nothing like metal (flesh is more stretchy and flimsy while metal is tough yet can be dent and even broken.)

I don't think you know what your talking about here really.... to be frank...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 20, 2009, 03:51:37 AM
lol ok good  way to look at this  watch this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWIA3OwCAwI&feature=related    vikeing being the axeman  atlas being the samurai  sam wins better armor better weapons but the vike tears the sam up pertty good. atlas whould be walking away with  deep gachs in its legs torso maybe a missing arm and few dule lbx shots to the torso and axeman whould be a smokeing heep with its arms blown up a chunk of its torso missing. just was saying the axe whould be a more damageing weapon then say a gussrifle or lbx20

I actually saw that on TV, and I disagree with their system and their results buuut

Once again this is two totally different things mechs are not like humans in armor they are like walking fusion powered tanks. Myomer gives them some agility but at the end of the day a gauss rifle or autocannon is going to be a more effective weapon, even in close quarters combat like a city an autocannon will be a greatly superior weapon, as you can inflict devestating damage up close, or down a main street, while the close combat weapon is devestating at point blank range but nowhere else. The only posotive thing is that Im sure giving a mech a huge stick of metal to beat on enemies is cheaper than an autocannon but its certainly not a more efficient use of all that myomer\armor and that fusion engine.

Improvised close combat and melee weapons for use in desperate situations- cool!

Mechs coming standard with all sorts of melee weapons like axes and maces- pointless.

Besides its freakin dishonorable...  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 20, 2009, 05:50:50 AM
I like how everyone seems to think that carrying a melee weapon precludes the use of any other type of weapon.  The only restriction on melee is that you cannot fire weapons in that limb and use it for melee in the same turn.  This lets you build a 'Mech for melee without having to trade off your other weapons as long as you pay attention to your design.

One example of this would be to design a 'Mech with a Hatchet with no other weapons in the hatchet arm.  This does not even have to exclude using the rest of the arm crits because heat sinks, electronics, or FF/ES crits can fill the limb up with no trouble in melee.

Alternatively, you can make a 'Mech with ERPPCs or some other hot long range weapon in each arm along with hands, and fill the body with a mess of close quarters weapons like lasers that generate the same heat as the arm weapons.  You then mount only enough heat sinks to cover one set of weapons and movement, and when you get close you can switch to the close quarters weapons and add the fists whenever you get in melee range at absolutely no cost in weight.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 20, 2009, 10:22:23 AM
Anvil.
Two heavy Puslers in the Torso sides, no Weapons in the Arms. Enough Heat-Sinks to stay the fapp cold.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [MPB]OM_Sannyasi on May 20, 2009, 10:33:33 AM
i like cake
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Moordoom on May 20, 2009, 09:15:02 PM
I am probably late on this subject, But I woul like to so the Highlander and the Hollander.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 20, 2009, 09:57:19 PM
your in luck, the hollander is in!

Id like to see the highlander in the future too!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dimebag on May 21, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
Cyclops, Sha Yu and Lao Hu.  My fave (Thor) is already in game, but these 3 are pretty cool.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on May 25, 2009, 03:41:34 AM
My love for you is like a truck, BERSERKER!

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/1/1c/3055u_Berserker.jpg)

Would be overjoyed to see that mech.

That aside I'm going to be more into the VTOL's. Cant wait to climb into my Donar...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 25, 2009, 04:21:04 AM
sadly close combat disagrees with the crysis engine (IIRC) so the berserker would use all that nifty speed to run right up to you and... bump into you a bit.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on May 25, 2009, 04:24:17 AM
sadly close combat disagrees with the crysis engine (IIRC) so the berserker would use all that nifty speed to run right up to you and... bump into you a bit.

That makes me sad...

Hopefully one day they'll find a way around it. Still be pretty funny watching that thing sprint across the battlefield.

Still got my Donar anyway.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [MPB]OM_Sannyasi on May 25, 2009, 10:56:57 AM
most of my favorites are already in except the hellbringer/loki.... would also be nice to see more classic mechs like the centurion or pheonix or even the good old stalker
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Firestorm on May 26, 2009, 02:13:11 AM
Ah yeah, the Centurion, that would be nice to have as well. I gotta say, the Centurion is one of the few 'mechs who's Dark Age re-design looks better in my opinion.
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/images/figures/Rotating/MWDA/MWDA_099_rot01.jpg (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/images/figures/Rotating/MWDA/MWDA_099_rot01.jpg)
I still kinda like the original though...
http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/3025%20Centurion1.jpg (http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/3025%20Centurion1.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on May 26, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
Original is still far superior sleek looking mofo.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 26, 2009, 01:59:25 PM
Trouble with the Centurion is that it is a very similar machine to the Bushwhacker in terms of weapons, (Autocannon, LRMs and some lasers), and when you think in terms of MWLL customisation, less useful as it has those LRM10s built in that would have to be in every variant.  The Centurion's profile would make CT shots harder, but that's about it's only advantage over the much more flexible Bushy, which fills the same role.

So sadly, the Centurion, like the Grim Reaper and the Enfield (3 of my favourite mediums) I'm not crazy about seeing it in MWLL yet as it's niche has already been filled by the Bushy.

We've got the Line 'mech (Bushy), the Jumper/Sniper (Uziel), and the Direct Firesupport 'mech (Hollander).

Would be better to see other niches filled first to vary gameplay possibilities more, I suggest, for the IS mediums:

Indirect Firesupport (Apollo, also a very inexpensive machine)
Laser Boat (Crab)
Heavy Recon/TAG/fast Raider: (Strider or Cicada)
Economy Brawler (Centurion :) ok just found a niche for the old machine, Ave Centurion 8) !)

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on May 26, 2009, 07:45:30 PM
Actually, the 3050 Centurion CN9-D has a maximum speed of 97.2 kph, meaning it is keeping pace with many of the scout mechs. It's also sporting an LB 10-X, Artemis equipped LRM-10, and the standard forward and rear facing medium lasers.  I would classify it as a medium recon/support mech, able to run with the scouts to provide some heavier firepower and armor, or defend a large area using its speed to get it where the defenders need it.

The Centurion also comes in 5 tons lighter than the bushwacker, but lacks the heavy laser armament. The bushy is definitely the slugger in this line up.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on May 26, 2009, 07:56:08 PM
Actually, the 3050 Centurion CN9-D has a maximum speed of 97.2 kph, meaning it is keeping pace with many of the scout mechs. It's also sporting an LB 10-X, Artemis equipped LRM-10, and the standard forward and rear facing medium lasers.  I would classify it as a medium recon/support mech, able to run with the scouts to provide some heavier firepower and armor, or defend a large area using its speed to get it where the defenders need it.

The Centurion also comes in 5 tons lighter than the bushwacker, but lacks the heavy laser armament. The bushy is definitely the slugger in this line up.

Also the Centurion can carry jump jets.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ome3gaXx on May 26, 2009, 09:28:34 PM
My baby doesn't get any love.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/Om3gaX/Wildcat.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 26, 2009, 09:38:18 PM
Sorry for the ignorance but what is that?! Its epic!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on May 26, 2009, 10:31:20 PM
I recognize it but don't know the name.  I want to say sabrecat, but I think that's wrong.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Firestorm on May 26, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
Trouble with the Centurion is that it is a very similar machine to the Bushwhacker in terms of weapons, (Autocannon, LRMs and some lasers), and when you think in terms of MWLL customisation, less useful as it has those LRM10s built in that would have to be in every variant.  The Centurion's profile would make CT shots harder, but that's about it's only advantage over the much more flexible Bushy, which fills the same role.

So sadly, the Centurion, like the Grim Reaper and the Enfield (3 of my favourite mediums) I'm not crazy about seeing it in MWLL yet as it's niche has already been filled by the Bushy.

We've got the Line 'mech (Bushy), the Jumper/Sniper (Uziel), and the Direct Firesupport 'mech (Hollander).

Would be better to see other niches filled first to vary gameplay possibilities more, I suggest, for the IS mediums:

Indirect Firesupport (Apollo, also a very inexpensive machine)
Laser Boat (Crab)
Heavy Recon/TAG/fast Raider: (Strider or Cicada)
Economy Brawler (Centurion :) ok just found a niche for the old machine, Ave Centurion 8) !)



I guess they are similar, I also like the Bushwacker, and its already in here, so I guess that works.

@Zeus6s
Isn't that variant the one that is in Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries? That's the Centurion I think of when I think "Centurion".


@Ome3gaXx
Really, what IS that?  Never seen it before, that mouth-like thing around what I assume to be an Autocannon or PPC looks really awesome.
Now that I look at it some more, it looks a little like a Star Adder (not sure if thats the right name, I've only seen it in Mech Commander 2), but with a different torso and head.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 44th MAC Sword on May 26, 2009, 11:27:17 PM
My baby doesn't get any love.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/Om3gaX/Wildcat.jpg)

I think it is a Wildcat, a mech which was in MP3 from Mektek.  It's a 75 Ton Heavy weight Mech

44th MAC
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lord Samurai MC on May 26, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Sorry for the ignorance but what is that?! Its epic!

Wildcat. I think its a mektek custom like the ares.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on May 27, 2009, 06:57:57 PM
that is indeed a custom mech, it's one of their better looking models (oh man, only 2 X's, must be a record for MT), although I can see some polygon errors in the canopy there on that render.  My only issue with the model itself is that I think that CT cannon might be a little too short and it takes up the room for the mech's reactor :P.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on May 27, 2009, 07:16:22 PM
Yeah the wildcats stock design comes with, get ready...

TWO ROTARY AC 20s in the center torso.

Call me crazy but thats alot of crit space for a fast 75tonner with a decent secondary laser armament.


Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on May 27, 2009, 11:06:07 PM
Sorry for the ignorance but what is that?! Its epic!

Wildcat. I think its a mektek custom like the ares.

Wilcat (http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?automodule=gallery&req=si&img=10396) by Insidious, rendered by Whitefeather (http://whitefeathermoon.deviantart.com/)  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Seraph on May 27, 2009, 11:20:15 PM
Sorry for the ignorance but what is that?! Its epic!

Wildcat. I think its a mektek custom like the ares.

Wilcat (http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?automodule=gallery&req=si&img=10396) by Insidious, rendered by Whitefeather (http://whitefeathermoon.deviantart.com/)  ;D

Description text in image:

Quote
It is a WildCat designed and created by Insidious.

Just to make sure the right person gets the praise :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 28, 2009, 12:32:24 AM
Yeah the wildcats stock design comes with, get ready...

TWO ROTARY AC 20s in the center torso.

Call me crazy but thats alot of crit space for a fast 75tonner with a decent secondary laser armament.



Really?
Not two Rotary 10?
Still kinda Big. Especially since there's only ONE BARREL.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on May 28, 2009, 04:18:45 AM
This is probably heresy, given it's not canon, but it would be very cool to see an Ares mech lumbering across the battlefield.

I imagine it would be tough to add, in terms of game balance.   And the multi-pilot/gunner thing would be a whole new game mechanic.   

But still, it would be certainly interesting to say, be in a group of light mechs trying to take one down.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 28, 2009, 04:27:10 AM
I read somewhere that the Ares isnt even that strong. Because it's just in the prototype phase it only has the weapons capacity of average assault mechs, so i dont know where those extra 35 tons go. Maybe into armour, legs (has three for some reason?) and the extra space for the gunners but i dont really care, seems over rated to me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on May 28, 2009, 05:31:19 PM
seems over rated to me.
Quite possibly so. 

I just think it would be cool to see it in action and try it out in a fight. 

I have all 4 of the Wizkids Ares figurines.  I only just found the CONFIRMED video on YouTube last night.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on May 28, 2009, 08:34:48 PM
That's why I believe that LL should have it's own colossal class mech, but noone seems interested.  Granted it would take a ton of work that the devs can't afford right now, but I would still love to see it happen.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 28, 2009, 09:42:05 PM
Isn't part of the whole non-profit and rights to the series thing prevent them from adding anything new to the universe anyway?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 28, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
That's why I believe that LL should have it's own colossal class mech, but noone seems interested.  Granted it would take a ton of work that the devs can't afford right now, but I would still love to see it happen.
It should ONLY be in there so we can blow it up.
Maybe as some kind of Mission Target or something.
3 Legs . . When 4 Legs work BETTER. AAARRRRRG -.-
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on May 29, 2009, 02:08:33 AM
Screw 3 legs.  4 is where it would be at.  The Kodiak II, down on all fours.  lol
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 29, 2009, 02:48:36 AM
4 Legs. Chassis of the Gholiath. 100t Quad-Mech. With a Turret-Mounted Mech-Torso with Flip-able arms on top!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on May 29, 2009, 06:34:03 AM
Screw 100 tons.  This thing has for legs!!  Push it to 150!  At least 130.  This thing has to be different for a reason!

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but it just has so much promise and so many weaknesses at the same time.  A mech like that would carry unparalleled firepower, have an extremely low profile and be able to climb like no other.  On the other hand it won't be able to turn worth a crap, will be nearly defenseless against anything that get in at close range, and would be slower than a tree sloth. 

I for one at least welcome the possibility.  Imagine getting a loadout like 2 gauss rifles, 2 LRM 20's, 4 Large Lasers, and 2 PPC's while having 25+ tons of armor and plenty of heatsinks to run cool.  Even if it could only move 20 kph, that thing would be a long range powerhouse.  It'd be like facing off against a dropship that is much smaller and can move around.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on May 29, 2009, 04:35:18 PM
That's why I believe that LL should have it's own colossal class mech, but noone seems interested.  Granted it would take a ton of work that the devs can't afford right now, but I would still love to see it happen.

Isn't part of the whole non-profit and rights to the series thing prevent them from adding anything new to the universe anyway?

The license that the MWLL team has from Microsoft for use of the IP does not allow them to expand the universe with non-canon technology, this includes Mechs.  This has been mentioned numerous times on these forums, but not in this thread (until now).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on May 29, 2009, 10:20:36 PM
*sadface*  Oh well.  That hasn't been mentioned to me until now, so I won't ask for one in the game again.  :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on May 29, 2009, 10:40:59 PM
Well I suppose it depends on what the license they received defines as "cannon". The "Ares" mech is technically in the battletech universe so I don't see why they would have any legal issues with putting it in (There might be different licenses or something weird, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The problem comes with there's no reason to have it that makes it worth the work. The assault mechs already have an ungodly amount of firepower, the "ares" wouldn't really add anything that matters but eye candy.

Although, I am interested in how the whole command network thing would work with the "ares" (i think it was designed as a mobile command base...). Hopefully they can get a C3 system working eventually. I heard they were having problems with it making your FPS commit suicide.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on May 30, 2009, 12:30:50 AM
Well im sure that the devs would rather play it safe anyways. In MW4 you could fit two (maybe three dont remember) gauss rifles and enough LRM racks to have atleast 100 missiles flying with each salvo on a Diashi. If MWLL is like this, even without the Dire wolf, you can fit serious firepower on assaults so i dont think that will be a problem.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on May 30, 2009, 02:18:47 AM
Well I suppose it depends on what the license they received defines as "cannon". The "Ares" mech is technically in the battletech universe so I don't see why they would have any legal issues with putting it in (There might be different licenses or something weird, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The problem comes with there's no reason to have it that makes it worth the work. The assault mechs already have an ungodly amount of firepower, the "ares" wouldn't really add anything that matters but eye candy.

Although, I am interested in how the whole command network thing would work with the "ares" (i think it was designed as a mobile command base...). Hopefully they can get a C3 system working eventually. I heard they were having problems with it making your FPS commit suicide.


The challenge of trying to balance something incredibly strong/large like the Ares against "regular" Mechs is daunting.  I also think that the appeal of something like this would be limited, but that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on May 30, 2009, 06:42:22 AM
The Aries might also be useful as an objective for an escort-type mission, although I would not ever expect to see it because it would be too much effort to model and rig it with its unique tripod legs.

As for firepower, the Ares (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ares_(BattleMech)) is built on IS tech so even with its enormous weight it is actually no better than a Dire Wolf (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dire_Wolf).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on May 30, 2009, 10:03:31 AM
 What happened I've been gone for 4 days and Mech Assault was in one post and now Dark Age.. I have a bad feeling =/.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 30, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
Well I suppose it depends on what the license they received defines as "cannon". The "Ares" mech is technically in the battletech universe so I don't see why they would have any legal issues with putting it in (There might be different licenses or something weird, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The problem comes with there's no reason to have it that makes it worth the work. The assault mechs already have an ungodly amount of firepower, the "ares" wouldn't really add anything that matters but eye candy.

Although, I am interested in how the whole command network thing would work with the "ares" (i think it was designed as a mobile command base...). Hopefully they can get a C3 system working eventually. I heard they were having problems with it making your FPS commit suicide.


The challenge of trying to balance something incredibly strong/large like the Ares against "regular" Mechs is daunting.  I also think that the appeal of something like this would be limited, but that is just my opinion.
The Limiting Factor to Balance that one?
The Ability to outfit a Battlearmor with TAG, send the Battle-Armor between the three legs, so it is under the Mech and out of Range of all of it's weapons. Then have two Mechs with LRM's stand behind a hill. Dead Ares.
Heck, a good pilot in a light Mech could take out an Ares in a Mechwarrior Game. Not so much in Battletech with Arm-Flip/Torso-Twist and no real time Movement.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tamaraw on May 30, 2009, 03:21:22 PM
Summoner for Clans and Avatar for IS.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 30, 2009, 03:41:21 PM
Orion. And NOT the Fugly IIC <.<
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spyder Chiken on May 31, 2009, 06:25:18 PM
I would like to see the Spider or any of the LAMS
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 31, 2009, 06:55:48 PM
Yeah, most of us would like that.
Not gonna happen though.
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on May 31, 2009, 08:19:57 PM
"Most" of us would like that? More like a minority would like that. :P Let the flames burn high!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bcbear on May 31, 2009, 08:56:08 PM
I'd love to see the arctic wolf personally :P (MW4 Redesign)



(and on a side note)
Personally, i wouldn't like to see LAMS at all, it turns BT into Robotech, there's a reason there was legal action taken many years ago, and that's why LAMS died out, let them rest in pieces. lol
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on May 31, 2009, 09:17:52 PM
'cause LAMS are cool ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on June 01, 2009, 04:29:50 PM
'cause LAMS are cool ^^

 Aye to that LAM's are cool!

 Oh and CB, Robotech doesn't own the images for the mechs.. Actually Battletech won the case, they bought the image rights along with 2 other companies but they didn't want to hit snags with the other companies or another argument so FASA itself decided on their own to make them unseens. They could be made now even, well actually I dunno if they have to renew liscense on the images probably so if they renewed the images then they could be done but I doubt they did seeing as they said no to keepin with them.. lol..

 But LAM's are cool, impractical and expensive in the BT universe and had a TON of worries (Mostly medium weight class of them) but they did alright when they worked lol.. That is if you were just fighting a few BattleMechs hope to gosh that there isn't any enemy air elements on the field too or you're going to be stuck on the ground as a LAM, which aren't very effective mechs on the ground to begin with and aren't effective in the air.. So mayhaps its best they aren't in MWLL lol.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on June 01, 2009, 07:28:36 PM
'cause LAMS are cool ^^

 Aye to that LAM's are cool!

 ...

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.msg48153.html#msg48153
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 02, 2009, 07:15:12 AM
But LAM's are cool, impractical and expensive in the BT universe and had a TON of worries (Mostly medium weight class of them) but they did alright when they worked lol.. That is if you were just fighting a few BattleMechs hope to gosh that there isn't any enemy air elements on the field too or you're going to be stuck on the ground as a LAM, which aren't very effective mechs on the ground to begin with and aren't effective in the air.. So mayhaps its best they aren't in MWLL lol.

I'm going to step in for a minute here to say that the reason you think LAMs are impractical and weak is because you are using them badly.

LAMs sacrifice direct combat capabilities for a level of mobility that is impossible for other units to attain both on the battlefield and in the larger tactical environment.  They are extremely well suited for raiding and harassing missions because there is no way for the enemy to keep up without tying down far more resources than the LAMs themselves.  This puts the enemy in a loose/loose situation where they can either protect their supplies and leave the front vulnerable to the main force, or they can ignore the LAMs and find their ability to repair and rearm between battles severely limited which will in turn cause the front to fall because they are sending damaged units without ammo against fresh front line forces.

Alternatively, you can commit LAMs to combat like any other medium 'Mech if you have to, so with heavy air support they can make a hot landing much safer for your DropShips or drop pods because they can land just ahead of the other units to cover the landing.  The inverse of this also works if you have to pull out from a planet under fire because you can have the LAMs serve as a 'Mech screen while your DropShips lift off and then you don't have to loose all the LAMs like you would for regular 'Mechs because they can extract themselves to orbit after the DropShips are clear.

The lesson here is that using LAMs is about taking advantage of their mobility to either tie down lots of enemy resources, or protect high value targets when you cannot deploy other units to the area.  With both of these the high price of a LAM is made a worthwhile investment because they are preserving or disabling even more value to shift the tide of a larger scenario.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on June 02, 2009, 08:28:12 AM
 No, pretty much lams are impractical and not really useful in the least. An Aerospace fighter costs oh jeez usually half what an LAM does in comparison and out performs it in the air, the LAM is pretty much done for looses all of its advantages against Aerospace Fighters, trust me even on the board game an the books lol.

 I actually tried using LAM's in my forces, my friend would simply put up an Aerospace fighter, at that point it was made useless, on the ground well, lets just say even light mechs out arm and armor them.. Its a reason that clans like Jade Falcon made.. About four I think I heard and then more or less gave up on using them, more or less they just looked cool and were a neat idea, but ultimately failed.. Sure hypothetically they could be useful, but in actuality.. No..
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 02, 2009, 09:41:20 AM
If you look ath the now two times linked thread, you will see why LAMS are cool and in what kind of situation they will excel.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on June 02, 2009, 01:37:33 PM
NNNNNnnnnoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

Not again, ye gods, Nooooooooooo!!!!

They can't do them even if everyone wanted them, they don't have the legal rights.

How many peoples heads have to explode before we bury LAMs for good, they're the zombies of the forums ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 02, 2009, 02:08:29 PM
Zombie-LAMS . . ULTRA COOL!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KiloEcho on June 02, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
DIVERT!  DIVERT!   ;D

How about a walking ER PPC with jets aka the Pack Hunter (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Pack_Hunter)?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on June 02, 2009, 05:20:38 PM
Besides the obvious legal issues (who wants to rumble with Harmony Gold?), LAMs just don't make a lot of sense from a game balance standpoint.  How do you balance a unit that has aero and Mech capabilities?

From a design/development standpoint, LAMs are very expensive because you have to model a variable geometry asset, create animations that encompass all possible movement options for a vehicle that transforms AND setup hitboxes that change depending on the vehicle state.

Just remember kids, you can't spell "LAME" without "LAM"s.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Because people mistake me for someone else on June 02, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
true to the point , KingLeer  xD   ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on June 02, 2009, 06:19:53 PM
Just remember kids, you can't spell "LAME" without "LAM"s.

;D

I like AMS (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/AMS) and LAMS (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Laser_Anti-Missile_System) :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SHADOW on June 02, 2009, 08:38:14 PM
Being that the Hellbringer/Loki is an operational partner for the Summoner/Thor and one of the signature mechs of the franchise, hopefully it will be included eventually.  I also would like to see the Cauldron Born and the Grizzly added as well to augment the range of Clan Heavies.  If the Grizzly and C. Born were done in such a way to reflect their renowned toughness and unique armor on the battlefield, that would certainly add quite a bit of Btech character to the range of mechs slated for playability.  I am sure there are ways in the coding that such a thing could be done.

As for the Inner Sphere side of things, I would really like to see the Avatar, being that it is a retro-engineered and heavily modified version of the Mad Dog/Vulture and a very popular mech all around.  I think that the Dragon would also make a fine heavy choice for gamers as well.

So far all of the mechs that you have worked on look excellent and represent a very balanced approach to the game.  Given the number of replies to this thread I can only imagine how difficult it would be to narrow things down to a workable list of mechs for inclusion, but if the choices so far are an indication of your approach to selection, then I am sure what will eventually be done will have something for everyone.

Thanks for all that you are doing for us.

SHADOW
=RONIN=
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 03, 2009, 05:28:59 AM
No, pretty much lams are impractical and not really useful in the least. An Aerospace fighter costs oh jeez usually half what an LAM does in comparison and out performs it in the air, the LAM is pretty much done for looses all of its advantages against Aerospace Fighters, trust me even on the board game an the books lol.

 I actually tried using LAM's in my forces, my friend would simply put up an Aerospace fighter, at that point it was made useless, on the ground well, lets just say even light mechs out arm and armor them.. Its a reason that clans like Jade Falcon made.. About four I think I heard and then more or less gave up on using them, more or less they just looked cool and were a neat idea, but ultimately failed.. Sure hypothetically they could be useful, but in actuality.. No..

Here are two good solutions to the ASF problem:

Sneak in early and hit the hanger with a Davy Crockett before the ASFs ever get off the ground.  After all, nothing says "fapp you" like a nuke.  If you only have conventional weapons available, you can still pull this off by hitting either something like the hanger, fuel bunkers, barracks, etc.  This is a textbook example of using LAMs mobility to achieve a surprise attack on critical targets before the enemy even knows they are under attack because no DropShips have touched down, and there are no ASFs in the area, so they must be safe, right?

The second counter is to have your own ASFs on hand so you can send the LAMs to hide somewhere while they wait for reinforcements because a cave is not something ASFs can really deal with.  This is a simple case of avoiding direct combat because LAMs are not as well suited to it as a dedicated unit, so you take advantage of their mobility to keep them safe while you bring something better suited for the job to bear.

As for the 'Mech combat deficiencies, you should try taking advantage of AirMech mode and its triple jumping if you are not, and if you want better stats you can try out the Phoenix Hawk which is identical to the regular 'Mech so it should do well in 3025 play.  If you want to work in a later time period, you can brew something up for yourself or try the LAM I designed because with its Clan technology it should be able to deal with anything of comparable weight an IS player can throw at it.  It would also be a good choice to use the A variant of my LAM if you like having Arrow IV on the board because it gives you a nearly untouchable artillery piece.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on June 03, 2009, 08:39:39 AM
I'd love to see a Nova Cat (I enjoy the pretty fireworks when they overheat and go critical).

I'd also like to see the Kodiak.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valaska on June 03, 2009, 08:53:43 AM
 You can bomb a mech hanger as easily as you can an aircraft hanger, but a lot of the time ASF will come right out of a drop ship. Heck VTOL's actually are usually better armed AND armored than a LAM, LAM's are useless when all comes down to it.. Like I said you can make up hypothetical situations where they MAY be usable like.. A cave that will fit a 6-13 meter tall Mech SOMEHOW lol, or a situation where an enemy doesn't simply shoot the LAM down and lets them harass them lol.

 Yes the Hellbringer would be an awesome mech to get in here! I love the Hellbringer... Kodiak AND NOVACAT are in!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on June 03, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
Zombies!!!!!!  Zombie LAM attack!!!!

Somebody shoot them in the head quick or this thread is done for!



I'd like to see the Champion in the game, always loved the feel of it in MW3, a very floaty feeling 'mech, and those hip mounted, restricted arc, small lasers added some real character to the machine.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 04, 2009, 07:08:24 AM
You can bomb a mech hanger as easily as you can an aircraft hanger, but a lot of the time ASF will come right out of a drop ship. Heck VTOL's actually are usually better armed AND armored than a LAM, LAM's are useless when all comes down to it.. Like I said you can make up hypothetical situations where they MAY be usable like.. A cave that will fit a 6-13 meter tall Mech SOMEHOW lol, or a situation where an enemy doesn't simply shoot the LAM down and lets them harass them lol.

 Yes the Hellbringer would be an awesome mech to get in here! I love the Hellbringer... Kodiak AND NOVACAT are in!!!

Sigh, have you even looked at the stats for the LAM I designed?  It is perfectly legal, and carries more firepower and armor than any VTOL I know of with 19.5 tons of pod space for Clan weapons and 9.5 tons of Clan FF armor with no vulnerable rotor.  The reason the canon LAMs suck is because they are built on 3025 IS tech, so if you put them on a modern battlefield they will get massacred by the tech disadvantage.

As for the hanger bombing, it sounds like you are unfamiliar with the concept of an air defense network and ready fighters, because a direct assault on a fortified base by ASFs would result in heavy casualties when the enemy spots them, and the element of surprise is lost as soon as the ASFs get picked up on the radar that the LAMs can walk right under.

Dealing with a DropShip is also not a job for LAMs unless you want to set up a nuclear ambush because they have too much armor and firepower to slip in for a kill.  This just means that you use LAMs on the offensive where you can slip them in from orbit to surprise the enemy and don't have to deal with DropShips unless you feel like nuking a spaceport.

Finally, a cave big enough to hide a 'Mech in is not at all unreasonable because there are companies that own massive caves that they use as warehouses, and even if there is no convenient cave you can hide a LAM in dense or broken terrain like an overgrown valley to buy time for friendly air support to arrive.

Honestly, it sounds to me like you expect to use LAMs as frontal assault units and are surprised when they cannot preform in the roll they are the least well suited to.  If you just want to smash something, I recommend the Dire Wolf (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dire_Wolf) because it is well built for that.  A better way to think of LAMs is like modern special forces soldiers because they are both too expensive to be practical on the main battlefield, but with stealth, deception, and careful planing they can turn the tide of a battle.  The key to successfully using LAMs is to combine them with other units so you can take advantage of their strengths and cover for their weaknesses.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 04, 2009, 10:51:46 PM
At any rate, the number of players and the size of maps for MW:LL, at least as far as I can tell at this stage, is not a suitable environment for a LAM in my opinion.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 04, 2009, 11:22:01 PM
Yes, most of us know this.
This has been widely discussed in the aforementioned Thread allready.
I only keep the discussion and the other Thread alive to see the anguished posts of people screaming:
"OH GODS IT STILL WON'T DIE?!"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 05, 2009, 04:13:06 AM
At any rate, the number of players and the size of maps for MW:LL, at least as far as I can tell at this stage, is not a suitable environment for a LAM in my opinion.

That is the conclusion we reached, and I fully agree with it.  It might be different if you could expand the game to include a fully dynamic world where you have to shift units based on their speed, but in MWLL it would be nearly impossible to really take advantage of a LAM.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 05, 2009, 12:55:57 PM
That is the conclusion we reached, and I fully agree with it.  It might be different if you could expand the game to include a fully dynamic world where you have to shift units based on their speed, but in MWLL it would be nearly impossible to really take advantage of a LAM.

Mmm, I guess in a game more like planetside or something they could come in handy to fill in gaps where a force is hideously outnumbered in a particular region of a mass ground offensive. But you'd still have to wonder if BV for BV or cost for cost you'd be better off just bolstering each individual force more...

ps back on track - my vote is for the area denial/defensive specialist, and more importantly different to look at, the one and only KING CRAB. Short and small frontal profile for a big mech, but in serious trouble against aerial assault - unless you load some small bore autocannons on ;) . Check it out!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 05, 2009, 01:18:24 PM
Ah, yes, the King Crab. Where very Critical hit on either the Torso Sides or an Arm more or less means either instant death or at least 50% firepower gone . . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 05, 2009, 04:17:35 PM
Ah, yes, the King Crab. Where very Critical hit on either the Torso Sides or an Arm more or less means either instant death or at least 50% firepower gone . . .

Haha, true. But you do have to balance out the juggernauts somehow...I do admit to liking the idea of it more than the technical reality. Its something with a bit of character ya know.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 05, 2009, 08:09:30 PM
The obvious refit to fix those issues of the King Crab is to replace the AC/20s with Gauss Rifles, similar to the KGC-001, except leave the XL engine out, strip down the heat sinks to accommodate the heavier gauss rifles, and replace them with double strength freezers.

With the rifles are arm mounted, and the gauss ammo being inert, you have little worry about catastrophic critical hits resulting in ripping the mech in half, the machine runs super cool, and your engagement radius has more than doubled. It seems to me it would be a simple enough refit to turn the machine into a real killer.

Another option would be to replace one of the AC/20s with a Gauss Rifle, turning it into a Lantern-Fish of sorts, allowing it to be dangerous at both long and short range.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 05, 2009, 11:26:59 PM
There are 5 out of 9 Versions of the KGC using Caliber 20 AC's of some kind.
The other 4 Versions swap out the 20's for LB-X10's, Gauss-Rifles and different kinds of PPC's
KGC-000
Autocannon/20  [LT/LA] 7 Heat
Autocannon/20  [RT/RA] 7 Heat
LRM 15  [LT] 5 Heat
Large Laser  [RT] 8 Heat

KGC-0000
Autocannon/20  [LT/LA] 7 Heat
Autocannon/20  [RT/RA] 7 Heat
LRM 15  [LT] 5 Heat
Large Laser  [RT] 8 Heat

KGC-010
LB 10-X AC  [LA] 2 Heat
LB 10-X AC  [RA] 2 Heat
Particle Cannon  [LT] 10 Heat
SRM 6  [LT] 4 Heat
Particle Cannon  [RT] 10 Heat
SRM 6  [RT] 4 Heat

KGC-001
Gauss Rifle  [LA] 1 Heat
Gauss Rifle  [RA] 1 Heat
LRM 15  [LT] 5 Heat
Streak SRM 2  [LT] 2 Heat
Large Pulse Laser  [RT] 10 Heat
Streak SRM 2  [RT] 2 Heat

KGC-008
Heavy PPC  [LA] 15 Heat
Light Auto Cannon/5  [LA] 1 Heat
Heavy PPC  [RA] 15 Heat
Light Auto Cannon/5  [RA] 1 Heat
ER Medium Laser  [LT] 5 Heat
ER Medium Laser  [LT] 5 Heat

KGC-009
Rotary AC/5  [LA] 1 Heat
Light PPC  [LA] 5 Heat
Rotary AC/5  [RA] 1 Heat
Light PPC  [RA] 5 Heat
Plasma Rifle  [LT] 10 Heat
Streak SRM 6  [CT] 4 Heat
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on June 06, 2009, 12:29:20 AM
I think you should put the solitaire light Mech
I don't think it has been used in a game before
It's the one that has a huge cannon but still goes 120+ kph
It's Clan and specializes in energy weaponry
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 06, 2009, 03:18:23 AM
LOCUST.

The Commando is meant to be a weight efficient combat mech, it's not meant for scouting. The Locust is your all purpose scout. Fast as hell, tons of variants, ranging from LRM fire support to anti-infantry. Can't go wrong. Simple design too, would be easy to model.

Oh... But, the original. Not the friggin "re-imagined" one.

I'm sick of mechwarrior games not including 20 tonners. Hasn't been a 20 tonner since the Locust in the original Mechwarrior, and the Fire Moth in MW2, both of which were damn fun to pilot. Race like a banshee up behind a heavy mech, and bite its ankles off. With Crysis graphics, can you imagine how fun it'd be careening around at 129.6 km/h?

Oh... And, Urbanmech. Yes, it's hilariously stupid. And that's the point. The Urbanmech has a cult following. And it's incredibly playable. People cried tears of joy when they put the thing in Mechcommander 2. Everyone would end up using it, guarantee it.

And, the Locust and Urbanmech are two of the most common battlemechs in the Inner Sphere.

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P.S. I personally like the HNT-151 Hornet. 5 Jump jets, great armor for a 20 tonner  (as much as the 25 ton Commando) LRM-5, Medium Laser, Small Laser, 86km/h. In these fancy super detailed terrain maps, having a cheap super-jumpy all-purpose mech could be extremely playable.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on June 06, 2009, 03:55:00 AM
Why is the UrbanMech 'hilariously stupid'...?    Why would people want to pilot it...?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 13th Fear on June 06, 2009, 04:30:04 AM
Why is the UrbanMech 'hilariously stupid'...?    Why would people want to pilot it...?

Cause it looks like a trash can with legs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on June 06, 2009, 05:35:03 AM
I had an Urbie variant in MW4 that I named R2-D2. Good times, good times.

Of course the one in the MW4 mekpak could carry a heavy gauss rifle... that's just not right...

With it being mentioned I have realized that as relatively useless as it was I miss my urbie...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on June 06, 2009, 06:43:01 AM
Urbanmechs are like the underdogs of the battlefield, so everybody loves them deep down.  It's slower than every other mech in existence, but is only 30 tons.  I mean come on.  Even though it was designed for urban combat, you can be outrun by anything taking away the primary advantage of a light mech in the first place.

And the Flea in MW4 was 20 tons, no?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 06, 2009, 07:06:28 AM
The Urbie would be a great discount 'Mech because you can count on being able to take it into close quarters combat if the enemy is in your base, or you can make a nice variant with a Clan Gauss Rifle or IS Light Gauss Rifle without too much trouble, and that still lets you preform on the battlefield because you have good range and firepower in a cheap, if somewhat vulnerable package.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 06, 2009, 07:21:30 AM
Honestly, the good 'ol 3050 Urbanmech could prove pretty devastating. It mounted an LB-10x, but only had a single ton of ammo, so you had to choose between cluster and solid shot. It was really designed to be used in very, very close quarters. At such ranges it almost can't miss with the LB-10x, and hitting a light mech with the solid shot was almost guaranteed armor penetration, with the small laser and small pulse laser hammering in additional damage.

If I were to "field upgrade" the 3050 Urbanmech I'd keep the LB-10X, give it a second ton of ammunition at the expense of the small pulse laser, then strip off the 6 tons of armor and replace it with 5.5 tons of ferro-fibrous armor and upgrade the small laser to a medium.

With 10 shots of both solid and cluster shot this Urban can spell doom for an enemy light mech cruising through the city. Medium designs need to worry about the cluster shots following up a successful breach by the solid shot, and the medium laser is just a solid, solid addition to any design.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 06, 2009, 08:11:07 AM
That sounds good, although I would keep the Small Pulse rather than the medium for anti-infantry work, but that is not much of a difference.  My thinking with the Gauss Rifle was to boost the ranged performance so you can take it into the field without being a completely defenseless punching bag, so they are just different machines for different situations.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 06, 2009, 08:30:01 AM
The bottom line is that the venerable Urbie is the most bang for your buck, albeit it's no good in the open. In multiplayer this means that in a defensive position, the Urbie can take down mechs far larger and more expensive than itself. But in an open offensive position, pretty much anything with long range weapons will plink away at the waddling defenseless Urbie - so it's a very balanced mech. Very good in some instances, very bad in others.

And yes. Everyone, whether it's subconscious or they've come out of the closet about it, loves the Urbanmech.

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Edit: I dare say that the Urbanmech has one of the largest cult followings of any mech, up there with the Atlas, Warhammer, Madcat, and the other greats.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 06, 2009, 09:55:40 AM
Keep in mind that an LB10X, at least in CBT, has the same range as an Inner Sphere ER Large Laser, so it isn't a trash can with a shotgun, it's a trashcan with a sniper shotgun.

Diablo, you're right about the small pulse, anti-infantry is key for urban warfare.

An all out refit of the design would be to replace the LB10X with a Large Pulse laser, and then use the remaining 4 tons for a pair of medium pulse lasers. That would just brutalize mechs and infantry that came around a corner to find an urban mech between a pair of high rises guarding an intersection. Absolutely abysmal in a field engagement though.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 06, 2009, 10:23:55 AM
I just realised that the Piranha would be one of the most enjoyable psychotic little mechs to ever play as. Look it up:
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=2400

Now imagine driving this thing at 150km/h, running up behind an Atlas, and going blam happy with all your guns.

This thing might become one of the most popular mechs in the game I think. If it could get behind a mech, that mech has a high probability of being toast. And playability wise, just imagine how cool it'd feel going that fast, the entire front of the mech erupting in flames whenever you squeezed off a salvo of machine gun rounds. It sounds crazy fun.

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 06, 2009, 10:43:24 AM
'cause it's slower than some heavy mechs while being armored and armed like a medium mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on June 06, 2009, 01:36:26 PM
Why is the UrbanMech 'hilariously stupid'...?    Why would people want to pilot it...?

It's cheap, can jump, and carries a large autocannon and a small laser of some sort (for anti-BA work in teams I suppose ,) ).  In a city or environment with good cover it's slow top speed is not such a problem.  And it's very cheap.

It's a surprisingly effective light 'mech/vehicle hunter, excellent firepower for an IS 'mech of it's size (4 Urbies make 1 Annihilator!), oh, and did I say it's cheap?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on June 06, 2009, 11:04:49 PM
I want the urbanmech to make an appearence along with an urban combat map, if the technical problems of urban terrain are ever overcome.

Id love to hunt urbies in the city as an elemental.

Though it IS true, that everyone loves the urbanmech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 06, 2009, 11:30:18 PM
4 Urbies don't make an Annihilator O.o
Even the 1A has more Armor than the 4 Urbies combined.
AND he mounts 4 Medium Lasers instead of small ones.
And the Urbies would be 120 to 140 tons compared to the 100 of the Anni <.<
Urban-Mech with LB-X10 is pretty evil, i will give it that.
But so is most everything else that mounts one of those things.
Especially against Vehicles the Urbi and the Anni are Devastators.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Colonel Sharpe on June 06, 2009, 11:39:06 PM
Battlemaster.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on June 06, 2009, 11:44:09 PM
4 Urbies don't make an Annihilator O.o
Even the 1A has more...

Well i guess you could consider the fact that it can swarm opponents from multiple angles as a replacement for all that armour and the mediums. I personally would rather be fighting one Anni then 4 Urbies.
Anyway, urbies would be great! If not to pilot then to blow their arms off and see what the pilot does next ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on June 06, 2009, 11:50:39 PM
RAMMING SPEED!!!!!

*assault mech walks away*

...

Crap.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on June 06, 2009, 11:52:03 PM
RAMMING SPEED!!!!!

*assault mech walks away*

...

Crap.

LMAO! Exactly!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on June 07, 2009, 12:06:58 AM
Anyway, urbies would be great! If not to pilot then to blow their arms off and see what the pilot does next ;D

Run around and yell things like "I GOT MY ARMS BLOWN OFF BY A JAPAN MAN'S MACHINE GUN" and "Durring the war I kill'd fiddy men."

The arm part isn't accurate, but I'm pretty sure the Urbie is the mechanical likeness of Cotton Hill.

Now if only I can rig my jump jets so I can headbutt enemy mechs in the crotch...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 07, 2009, 12:28:45 AM
DEATH FROM ABOVE!
Assault Mechs Jumps over jumping Trashcan.
Urbie-Piot: "Well . . Crap . . don't i feel silly now . ."
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 07, 2009, 12:54:28 AM
This game will require you to purchase mechs, correct? Therefore some super cheap mechs are a must.

Definitely Urbanmech, and I'd say a 20 tonner too. I vote for my favorite, the Hornet, because I believe it's the cheapest canon mech in the battletech universe, and you get an all-range jumpy mech with good armor at the same time. If you look at the mechs available right now for the game, the first mech with jump jets for the IS side is the Uziel! Jump jets are supposed to be very important in Battletech.

I wish that there was a Locust variant with jump jets, but there isn't. I like the Wasp & Stinger mechs, but their paper thin armor precludes them being useful, and same thing with a lot of Locust variants.

In further support of the Hornet, there is a variant with an anti-missile system, which could be useful in defeating Elementals and their SRM-2 volleys and the like. Another variant field-modifies the mech, replacing the LRM-5 with a SRM-4. The only problem with the Hornet is it's quite slow, but generally, I think the jump jets will make up for that in gameplay on a lot of maps.

As a starter mech, not only is it the cheapest mech in the canon battletech universe, but you're also able to take shots at Aero fighters, get to positions no one else can, and still have enough firepower and armor to take down infantry, right at the start. (although pulse lasers rather than regular lasers would make this mech better).
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=556

Of course, I'm totally open to suggestions. Which 20 tonner should the IS & Clan get? I'm pretty dead set on that Piranha for the Clan side  8), that sounds like absurd levels of fun.

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 07, 2009, 01:13:34 AM
Wasp with the SRM2 in the Leg.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 07, 2009, 01:23:24 AM
Actually, an Urban mech carries 6 tons of armor. The Annihilator only has 12.5 tons, so 4 Urban Mechs are much tougher than an Annihilator. They may be lacking medium pulse lasers, but they do have jump jets which the Annihilator is very much lacking.

4x Urbanmech = 120 tons, 24 tons of armor, 12 tons of internal structure, 4 LB-10Xs, jump jets, and 4 separate targets.
1 Annihilator = 100 tons, 12.5 tons of armor, 10 tons of internal structure, 4 LB-10Xs, 4 Medium Pulse lasers, and 1 big juicy target.

If I had the manpower and a little extra tonnage in my drop ship, I'd go for the 4 Urbanmechs.

As for 20 ton IS mech, I'd go with the Locust. It's fast, straight forward, and has weapons arranged to take advantage of many configurations:
LCT-1V - Standard Locust, 2 Machine guns in the arms and a CT mounted medium laser, 4 tons of armor.
LCT-1M - 2 LRM-5s in the arms and a CT Medium Laser, but only 2 tons of armor.
LCT-1S - 2 SRM-2s in the arms and a CT Medium Laser, 3 tons of armor.
LCT-3M - 4 small lasers in the arms, CT medium laser, and an anti-missile system,  w/ 3 tons of ferro-fibrous armor
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 07, 2009, 01:29:18 AM
Wasp with the SRM2 in the Leg.

Wasp has really weak armor, yet packs an SRM-2 and a single medium laser. Seems like it'd get blown apart in a game before it contributed much. Seems like you'd definitely want some LRM firepower on a 20 tonner to increase its usefulness.

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P.S. Basic armor comparison...
20 ton Wasp, 97km/h, 1 medium laser, 1 SRM-2, 180 meter jump capacity, 48pts armor.
20 ton Locust, 129km/h, 1 medium laser, 2 MG, no jump capacity, 64pts armor.
20 ton Hornet, 86km/h, 1 medium laser, 1 small laser, 1 LRM-5, 150 meter jump capacity, 64pts armor.
25 ton Commando, 97km/h, 1 medium laser, 1 SRM-4, 1 SRM-6, no jump capacity, 64pts armor.

P.S. #2
As for 20 ton IS mech, I'd go with the Locust.

Love the Locust. Fantastic mech with diverse capabilities. Just wish it had jump jets!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on June 07, 2009, 02:24:26 AM
I was looking at the battletech Wiki's list of 20 ton mechs and I think I would like to see the Fireball with MASC...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 07, 2009, 04:51:58 AM
This game will require you to purchase mechs, correct? Therefore some super cheap mechs are a must.

Definitely Urbanmech, and I'd say a 20 tonner too. I vote for my favorite, the Hornet, because I believe it's the cheapest canon mech in the battletech universe, and you get an all-range jumpy mech with good armor at the same time. If you look at the mechs available right now for the game, the first mech with jump jets for the IS side is the Uziel! Jump jets are supposed to be very important in Battletech.

...

While I agree with your assessment that the cost will be important, cost will be a balancing factor rather than tied to in universe economics so BV prices would be a better thing to look at than c-bill prices.

I also want to point out that it is helpful to have some 'Mechs available that are cheap enough to have significant leftover cash even when you spawn so that more organized forces can have the option of freeing up money from a player while still keeping them in a 'Mech.  It is also helpful to have this super cheap option for later in the game so you can buy yourself back into a 'Mech if you eject safely and don't want to play as BA.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 07, 2009, 05:38:13 AM
Wholly damn. Did you know the original Urbanmech only costs 1,471,925 C-Bills? That's less than the original Locust, and only a little more than the HNT-151 Hornet, the cheapest mech at 1,248,700 C-Bills, which is 10 tons lighter!

That, is one affordable shotgun toting trashcan.

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On a side note, who else thinks the old Crusader would make a fantastic mech for this game? It's got the equivelent of an LRM-30, SRM-12, as well as two medium lasers, and two machine guns. We're talking about a mech that thrashes enemies at long range with 30 points of damge, thrashes enemies at close range with 24 points of SRM damage, and still has two medium lasers and some boom sticks for taking out the Elementals! And, the 'L' model drops the dual LRM-15s for LRM-10s, and slaps on four jump jets! Very cool. Sounds like an extremely playable design.
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=524
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 07, 2009, 11:41:57 AM
Ok folks... Here's the rough table so far. I'm sure I missed a few peoples votes. When some people type "oh, and this mech could be neat", in the middle of their message it's hard to catch, likewise when the same person mentions the same mech multiple times :). But, this should be a good rough draft so far. If I've made mistakes, counting IS/Clan names as two seperate mechs, etc, msg me and I'll edit the list. I must have counted a few peoples vote for the Urbie twice... It seems impossible that the Urbie got more love than the Daishi, albeit by one vote... Well, someone else can spend 3 hours and remake this list themselves if they're offended ;D!

I did the list in a way that'd be quick to do and easy to keep track of, not the prettiest though.

THE RUN DOWN SO FAR:
Inner Sphere

Light
20 ton:
Wasp: 1, 2,
Stinger: 1,
Flea: 1, 2, 3,
Locust: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Hornet: 1,
Fireball: 1,
25 ton:
Brigand: 1,
Mongoose: 1,
30 ton:
Javelin: 1,
Urbie: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14,
Spider: 1, 2, 3, 4,
35 ton:
Panther: 1, 2, 3, 4,  
Jenner: 1, 2, 3,
Wolfhound: 1, 2, 3,
Silver Fox: 1,
Firestarter: 1, 2,  
Medium
40 ton:
Daimyo: 1, 2,
Sentinel: 1,
Chimera: 1, 2, 3,
Sha Yu: 1, 2,
Cicada: 1,
45 ton:
Blackjack: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Phoenix Hawk: 1, 2,
Hellspawn: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Hatchetman: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Vindicator: 1,
Bloodhound: 1,
50 ton:
Trebuchet: 1,
Enforcer: 1,
Starslayer: 1,
Centurion: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Hunchback: 1, 2, 3, 3,  
Chameleon: 1,
Crab: 1,
55 ton:
Shadowhawk: 1, 2, 3,
Wolverine: 1, 2,
Griffin: 1, 2, 3,
Dervish: 1, 2,  
Appolo: 1,
Heavy
60 ton:
Dragon: 1, 2, 3,
Grand Dragon: 1, 2,
Rifleman: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,  9,
Argus: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Champion: 1, 2,
Ostsol: 1,
Anvil: 1,
65 ton:
Jaegermech: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Thunderbolt: 1, 2,
Verfolger: 1,
Crusader: 1, 2, 3,
Ninja-To: 1,
Ha Otoko: 1
Axeman: 1,
70 ton:
Archer: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Avatar: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Gallowglas: 1,
Shootist: 1,
Guillotine: 1,
75 ton:
Orion: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Black Knight: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
Penetrator: 1,
Bandersnatch: 1,
Rackshasa: 1, 2, 3,
Prometheus: 1,
No-Dachi: 1,
Lao Hu: 1, 2,
Assault
80 ton:
Victor: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,
Zeus: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Hatamoto Chi: 1, 2, 3, 4,  
Thug: 1, 2, 3,
85 ton:
Battlemaster: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,  
Stalker: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Templar: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
Longbow: 1, 2, 3,
90 ton:
Highlander: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
Sunder: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,
Cyclops: 1, 2, 3,
95 ton:
Albatross: 1,
Nightstar: 1,
Banshee: 1,
Naginata: 1,
Hauptman: 1, 2, 3,
100 ton:
Mackie: 1,
Annihilator: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,  
Devastator: 1,
King Crab: 1, 2,  
Berserker: 1,

Clan

Light
20 ton:
Firemoth: 1, 2, 3,
Piranha: 1, 2,
25 ton:
Fire Falcon: 1,
Locust IIC: 1,
Solitaire: 1,
30 ton:
Pack Hunter: 1,
35 ton:
Jenner IIC: 1,
Medium
40 ton:
Arctic Wolf: 1, 2, 3, 4,  
45 ton:
Fenris: 1,  
50 ton:
Blackhawk: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,
Hellhound: 1, 2,
55 ton:
Black Lanner: 1, 2,
Stooping Hawk: 1, 2,
Heavy
60 ton:
65 ton:
Linebacker: 1, 2, 3,
Cauldron Born: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
Rifleman IIC: 1,
Hellbringer: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
70 ton:
Grizzly: 1, 2, 3,
75 ton:
Night Gyr: 1, 2,
Orion IIC: 1,
Black Python: 1,
Assault
80 ton:
Man O' War: 1,
Warhammer IIC: 1,
85 ton:
Blood Kite: 1, 2,
Battlemaster IIC: 1,
Marauder IIC: 1, 2, 3, 4,
90 ton:
Highlander 2C: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Supernova: 1,
95 ton:
Turkina: 1, 2, 3,
Gladiator: 1, 2,
100 ton:
Stone Rhino: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
Daishi: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13,

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P.S. I tried not to count Four Legged Mechs, or LAMs, but if there are any in there I missed, again, message me and I'll clean it up.
Edit: Forgot my own suggestion, the Piranha... 2 votes, counting (TLL) Heretics post in another thread.
Edit: Just cleaned up the list and broke everything down into Clan/IS by weight tonnage. Now it's easier to see which mechs in a given weight are clearly in the lead in popularity. And, as usual, message me if I messed something up.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on June 08, 2009, 12:57:55 AM
Go Annihilator!!  WOO!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LeeTCHERNOVKOV on June 08, 2009, 05:50:03 AM
Top 3 mechs
Rabid Coyote  

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/rabidcoyote.gif)

Savage coyote

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/savagecoyote.gif)

Canis

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/3/3f/Canis.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on June 08, 2009, 05:35:50 PM
LOL I never even thought about the Mackie.

It could be an assault that costs as much as a medium!

Dosent its stock variant weigh in at like 83 tons? (100ton mech with 17tons of free space)

I bet you could do some nifty things with it if you used all the space!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 08, 2009, 07:33:22 PM
The original armor they used on the Mackie was pretty crappy for its weight.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on June 08, 2009, 08:43:09 PM
That Savage coyote looks like he has to much stuff on this shoulders.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on June 08, 2009, 08:54:20 PM
IMO the Mackie was the assault class Urbie.  Cheap, but crap.  Get a decent size battle group of them though, and you'd better get running.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on June 08, 2009, 09:35:06 PM
A little off topic here but why is it that all mechs at their maximum loadout come out to a weight with a 5 or a 0 at the end? Is there a scientific pourpose for this (probably not) or is it just because?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 08, 2009, 10:42:38 PM
Just to make the original board game rules easier to follow when designing a mech i think.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 08, 2009, 11:48:18 PM
IMO the Mackie was the assault class Urbie.  Cheap, but crap.  Get a decent size battle group of them though, and you'd better get running.
Mackie 9H
2 Particle Cannons in the lft Arm,
1 AutoCannon 20 in the right Arm,
2 Medium Lasers in the Center Torso,
Movement of 3/5 and 20 HeatSinks while carrying 304 of 307 Points of Armor.
For the first try on constructing a Battlemech, still pretty impressive O.o

And i think nobody really wants to see the UK-Variants <.<
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 08, 2009, 11:48:54 PM
It has a lot to do with various pieces/parts of a battlemech.

Internal Structure: This weighs 1/10th (or 1/20th in the case of Endo Steel) of a mech's internal structure. By using 5 and 10 ton increments this number at the smallest became 0.5 tons (0.25 tons in the case of Endo Steel), which was later changed to round up to the nearest half ton.

Engines: The engines are rated in increments of 5. You can have a rating 5 engine (the smallest), all the way up to a 400 engine (the largest in original rules), in between you would have 10, 15, 20, 100, 160, 300, 395, etc. This was done because the engine a mech used was determined by a formula that multiplied the weight of the mech by the walking speed in hexes to give you the engine rating needed to attain that speed.
Example: A Warhammer can walk ~43.8 kph, this is a movement speed of 4 hexes per turn, the Warhammer weighs 70 tons, so 70 x 4 = 280. The Warhammer mounts a 280 rating engine which weighs 16 tons.

Physical attacks: These attacks do damage based on a fraction of the battlemech's weight. A punch deals 1/10 of the mech's weight in damage, rounded down, while a kick deals 1/5th of a mech's weight in damage, rounded down. By having full 5 ton increments they limited the number of arguments about how a 78.5 ton mech should do 8 damage with a punch instead of 7 since it is clearly closer to being 80 tons than it is to being 70.

Classifications: It was simply easier as a balance mechanism to have mechs fall into 5 ton increments, As it is there are tons of mechs in each category, imagine if that number of categories was quintupled because of the additional categories of 21 ton mechs, 22 ton mechs, 23 ton mechs, etc, etc.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 08, 2009, 11:56:47 PM
The Mackie MSK-9H was definitely the best model. Almost max armor, decent array of weapons. It could toast a lot of mechs.

And, all of you who think the Mackie is silly looking because of its two hot dogs... Well, it looks a lot cooler when it doesnt have those.
http://vilkata.simpload.com/?f=mackie.jpg (http://vilkata.simpload.com/?f=mackie.jpg)

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The 85 ton Stalker "is the most famous and most common heavy assault 'Mech.". And it's a great design too. It'd be a shame if it didn't make it into the game at some point.
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=541
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 09, 2009, 12:47:11 AM
Specially the 5M.
Only bad point is the Narc.
But that can be thrown out.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TuRbOlAg on June 09, 2009, 01:19:07 AM
I loved the stalker in MW2.  Looked awesome, like the front of a jumbo jet with missile pods.  =D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Karuik on June 09, 2009, 05:02:00 AM
Me likey wildcat! Me likey wildcat! <---THIS!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 09, 2009, 07:25:58 AM
I updated the tally of votes from pages 1-42 on page 42  to be easier to understand.

I'll update the rankings every 10 pages... So at page 52, 62, etc...

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Edit: Man!!! I absolutely love the Bear Cub 25 ton mech! It's either a jack of all trades, a close in midget missile boat, or a long range midget missile boat! With enough speed to keep ahead of most everything that would be a threat!

129km/h. 4.5 tons standard armor. Standard internals. XL engine. 2 ER medium lasers, 1 ER small laser, 1 LRM-5, one SRM-4. Or, two LRM-5s. Or, two SRM-4s. And it's just so cool looking!
(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3075/Bear%20Cub%203075.jpg)
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=10691 (http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=10691)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bear_Cub (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bear_Cub)
Too bad it's 3067 though.. Even though it only uses Level 2 technology...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 09, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Why does that 25t Mech look like a frigging Battlemaster (IIC)?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 10, 2009, 02:20:38 AM
I have no idea. It's a good looking little mech though. And I guess the fact that it's from 3067 doesn't matter much, being as the Fafnir is from that TRO too. Didn't realise that.

It's also interesting to note the liberties the dev team are taking with the mech designs. The Owens goes from a 129km/h dual LRM-5 packing mech to a 87km/h dual LRM-10 packing mech.

If I were to give my Hornet a design upgrade for the game, I'd use the HNT-171 as a base, and give it almost max ferro fibrous armor and MASC. Turning the slow old timer into a ~110km/h, 150 meter jump capacity mech without even changing the standard engine. My variants would be:
Made up variant A: 1 LRM-5, 1 medium pulse laser.
Made up variant B: 1 SRM-6, 1 medium laser.
Made up variant C: 1 ER Large Laser.
Made up variant D: 3 MG (100 rounds per gun), 2 small pulse lasers (The Elemental Whacker)

Even with the Endosteel skeleton, ferro fibrous armor, the MASC, and the new pulse laser, my A variant is still the cheapest mech in existence. There are faster mechs, and jumpier mechs, but few mechs with good speed and good jumping and a useful weapons load. And then you also get a close support mech, sniper mech, and anti infantry mech in the same go. Not bad at all for a cheapo 20 tonner.
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on June 10, 2009, 03:57:51 AM
TRO 3067 has some very tasty 'mechs and Warships, I like the IS 3067 'mechs 'casue they really nridge the gap with clan tech nicely.

@Locustpilot, why don't you start a new thread in Suggestions with the scores for each of those 'mechs, call it "results of what 'mechs people want to see in MWLL" or something, as that would be easier to reference than page 42 etc.

I know Kamikaze has said he'd like the thread to get up to 50 pages, but a results thread might get people thinking and posting in the original thread for more 'mechs, I for one am nerd enough to enjoy reading through lists of 'mechs and happily pondering :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 10, 2009, 04:05:45 AM
@(TLL) Heretic, people keep suggesting new mechs though, and the races between some tonnages  are extremely close, so I wouldn't be surprised if by page 50 the "top contenders" have changed quite a bit, with the list also growing substantially :)
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Lupo on June 10, 2009, 09:00:01 AM
How could you forget the Dervish?  http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dervish

Ok fine everyone forgets the Dervish but its like a mini crusader.

I don't know why but I always had a soft spot for it, especially the DV-8D variant.

Lupo
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 10, 2009, 09:01:45 AM
Mmm, one thing ive noticed from your list LocustPilot (thanks btw) is that the top few mechs vote wise are heavy class and above. What a lot of people may not be considering though, is that unless you are a good player, you may not have access to these weight classes all that much. Compound this with the fact that even for the better players, the first maybe 1/4 or 1/3 of each map will be spent building up the funds to actually play each round with a heavier mech.

So without actually playing the mod, a rough estimate could be that 50 to 75% of the average mech pilots time will be spent in a light or medium class mech - so wouldnt it then be better to ask more more variety in these classes first, considering we have LESS in those classes at the moment?

Perhaps another thread should be started with the title 'what light/medium mech would you like to see the most'? Id personally rather more variety of those to choose from if im gonna be spending a large majority of my time in them...

This being the case, my vote is for the Ice Ferret (Fenris), a very maneuverable medium scout that can fight at all ranges and would be ideal for a commander.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 10, 2009, 10:20:43 AM
@Lupo, the Dervish already has 2 votes, which will get bumped up to 3 with your vote when we re-tally, tying it with the Shadowhawk for the most popular 55 tonner. To search for mechs in the list on page 42 go "ctrl F", then search for the mech. It's a big list, it's hard to find the mech you're looking for otherwise.

@Shakes, actually the 30 ton Urbanmech ('Urbie' on the list cause we love it) has the most votes of any mech right now. I agree about needing more light mechs though. Traditionally it seems like it was almost an exponential curve how many light mechs would be in an engagement Vs. how many heavies would be, with less and and less of the heavier models the higher the tonnage got. 100 tonners are supposed to be very, very rare. I would definitely be happy if both sides got a 20 tonner as the absolute baseline mech. The problem is finding an IS 20 tonner that wouldn't just get pulverised into dust. The Locust, Wasp, & Stinger were some of the most common mechs in the inner sphere, mechs that would be found on absolutely any battlefield, but if you look at the mechs they'd be facing on the Clan side in this game, they'd just be creamed beyond all imagining. The Uller with its massive armament will be able to match the speed of the Locust with its new MASC, and be well faster than the paper-thin-armor Wasp & Stinger. I know Locusts, Wasps & Stingers aren't meant for sustained anti-mech combat, but they often ended up doing that, and it'd be good if there was a 20/25 tonner that could actually sock it out with a clanner for more than a few seconds. But, I definitely think the Piranha would be wicked in this game on the Clan side. The thing could toast most of the 30 & 35 tonners on the IS side so far in the game.
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 10, 2009, 11:48:11 AM
I guess the balance would have to come from cost then, with the IS being able to afford mechs of the next weight class (or mechs at all) a bit sooner, both teams being equal. If anyone played counterstrike (a game with a similar money earning/weapon upgrading structure) they could remember the Terrorist side being able to afford the AK-47 at least a round or 2 sooner than most counter-terrorists could field a colt m4 (but the colt was definitely better on a lot of maps). And the Ts being able to repurchase on a more common basis throughout the match.

So for IS versus Clan matches it would be reasonable to assume the IS would have a minutes advantage here and there to field light/medium mechs before Clan teams, and perhaps have an extra weight class advantage for every few mechs throughout the match.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 10, 2009, 05:56:51 PM
Were there any Votes for the Crusader?
I just played some MegaMek Scenarios and in one there was a REALLY frigging hardass Crusader.
Gets my vote ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spyro on June 10, 2009, 06:28:57 PM
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jupiter

Never seen this in any mechwarrior game as of yet...I say its time to bust it out
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on June 10, 2009, 06:57:12 PM
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jupiter

Never seen this in any mechwarrior game as of yet...I say its time to bust it out


Welcome to Headshot Town, population: you
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on June 11, 2009, 02:44:57 AM
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jupiter

Never seen this in any mechwarrior game as of yet...I say its time to bust it out

I like the jupiter I thought it was one of the cooler looking Dark Age designs.

However the design is from the future...  ;D

MWLL is set during the clan wars like 3050-3060 The jupiter is a dark age mech from like the 32nd century, do It wouldnt quite fit in.

As for headshot town, the battlemaster is probably my favorite IS design, and its much worse than the jupiter!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 11, 2009, 03:17:19 PM
Zeus has a big ass Glassy Cockpit as well neh?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 11, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
Yeah, but at least it has an armored cowl to protect it from hits from the sides. Anything in front of it, however, has a pretty clean shot, good thing it flourishes in extreme range fire fights.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 11, 2009, 07:27:54 PM
Meaning it's more likely that something is going to hit it frontal only, instead of something from the sides neh? O.o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on June 12, 2009, 01:54:58 AM
I'm a firm believer that every Inner Sphere mech should have the 3025 version of it (if it exists) as a dirt cheap option / the ability for players to decide to play some of the opening engagements in the clan invasion.  I imagine the clanners would enjoy cutting swathes through the hordes of old school mechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on June 12, 2009, 03:01:32 AM
Id like to see a bunch of forementioned 3025 mechs, and then the option to make both sides IS tech.

And everyone is forced to buy a ride (no BA of course)

Succession wars!  ;D

However I would love to be an elemental (or part of an elemental point) hunting 3025 designs too...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on June 12, 2009, 04:12:35 AM
We need the Dragon, Victor, Avatar, and argus. All of those mechs can hold a good amount of ballistic firepower for the inner sphere.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on June 13, 2009, 12:44:10 AM
I would love to see Solitaire and Jackalope in here
both are awesome
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on June 13, 2009, 12:55:58 AM
and I always thought that the Jackalope would do better if it were more of a speed oriented mech than firepower, but it's jump jets aren't very long lasting and/or powerful. so if you add it, make it so it's jumps are really high and far
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on June 13, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
the solitaire also needs to ditch the hands, put a couple of pulsers on there and your good to go, no need for arms on a long-range mech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 13, 2009, 01:25:08 AM
A lot of people in here seem to be quite taken with the 3067 and even later designs :)...

Bit too overpowered Gundam-esque in my mind. 3067 mechs are just a step away from scrapping the construction rules altogether and making a 50 ton mech with 30 tons of armor that goes 200km/h and has 4 Super Ultra Kablamo AC-50's (where the AC stands for Awesometastic Cannon).

That's just my pessimistic viewpoint though of course :). I myself think some of them look cool, but mostly the more traditional ones. At heart I'm more of a 3025 era guy I guess.
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 13, 2009, 01:38:00 AM
One of the meanest designs i have used and run into is an old style quasimodo/hunchback that takes out the AC20 and puts in 10 Medium Lasers.
And enough Heat-Sinks to fire 8 without getting warm. And if you shoot on a 4 or something, punch out ALL TEN of them. that's 50 Points of Damage right there.
And a good chance to roll crits as well. i allmost killed a Nightstar with that one. If the Hunchback had had some more armor left i WOULD HAVE killed the Nightstar.
And the Nightstar weights in at more than 90t, which is allmost double the weight of the hunchback. The Hunchback weights in at 50 tons.
And THAT Hunchback has 50 points of Damage. That is ONE POINT PER TON. There's not many Mechs that can get as many points of Damage into themselves as
they weight in tons. And what's worse. The Hunchback is, in this Configuration, still a 4/6 Movement Mech with Tons of Armor, no explosive Ammo and NO XL.
A Lance of those could probably take out a company of light mechs. or a Lance of Heavy Mechs. Maybe even a Lance of ASSAULT Mechs. And this is 3027 Tech i think.
And the Damn thing is fapping cheap in both C-Bills AND BV.

And yes, i know that one like these is in there right now. I think O.o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 13, 2009, 05:57:17 AM
...And THAT Hunchback has 50 points of Damage. That is ONE POINT PER TON. There's not many Mechs that can get as many points of Damage into themselves as
they weight in tons. ...

All I have to say to this is that it looks like you've never seen the Firemoth (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Firemoth) H.  20 tons, 10/15(20) movement, and 9 Heavy Small Lasers for 54 damage.  This does require a XLE, but it is Clan tech so it's not too vulnerable, and it comes in at only 674 BV2.

Also, I'm looking at your design, and the only way I can get it to work with that weaponry and heat dissipation is by loosing armor or using Endo-Steel which would make it a lvl 2 design breaking your 3025 tech claim.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 13, 2009, 08:47:25 AM

Also, I'm looking at your design, and the only way I can get it to work with that weaponry and heat dissipation is by loosing armor or using Endo-Steel which would make it a lvl 2 design breaking your 3025 tech claim.

Well, hes right because I have used the described model in the last 5 matches ive played on MegaMekNet over the last fortnight, a 3025 lvl 1 canon league. Its a great mech - one of the best things being you can fire all those mediums even on a 10 or 11 to hit without being worried about heat, and you always get 2 or 3 hitting even on a high roll, which can crit untouched light mechs or softened up mediums, whether theyre fast moving or not. A laser crit seeker so to speak.

They become the centre of attention pretty quickly if they werent from he start. Hell mine were headshotted to death 2 of the last 4 fights, but they did their bit every time. Love em.

EDIT: check sarna.net, the variant is called the 'swayback':
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 13, 2009, 09:24:11 AM
Found a cool Hornet picture in the Wolfs Dragoons book. Thought I'd share. I need to convince someone other than just myself  to vote for it :).
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 13, 2009, 12:12:53 PM
Yeah, the 4P Variant is more or less KING in 25 Games ^^
You wanna level 2 Tech Mech like that? 5P switches out the Mediums for ER Mediums and Medium Pulse.
Then it's King in 67 Games too *g*
Pair up 2 4P with 2 5P and you can take down most everything else.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 13, 2009, 12:38:12 PM
Ouch. Well id still be worried about fast moving LRM platforms.

One game i played i used  the swayback and painback(AC20 variant) in tandem. Painback makes a hole somewhere, swayback has a damn good chance of critting something in that hole the same round. Nasty stuff.

It will be interesting to see how survivable the II-C is in this mod with its paltry 6 tons of armour. I know in MW4 (mektek, HC, cant remember which) the hunchie was fairly useless against anything larger than it due to its low speed and armour, but boy could it put a quick end to smaller mechs in non-open battlefields.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 13, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
Well, the 6P has a considerable Reach and Punch.
And with 16 Double Coolers, it stays cold too.
Now imagine if the Clans had done something like that with the HBK IIC.
Instead of 2 AC20, you get a damn big frigging boat load of Clan ER Medium Lasers.
Clan Internal Structure and Clan Armor. That would be considered a Pocket Assault-Mech O.o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on June 13, 2009, 08:44:16 PM
Well, the 6P has a considerable Reach and Punch.
And with 16 Double Coolers, it stays cold too.
Now imagine if the Clans had done something like that with the HBK IIC.
Instead of 2 AC20, you get a damn big frigging boat load of Clan ER Medium Lasers.
Clan Internal Structure and Clan Armor. That would be considered a Pocket Assault-Mech O.o

In our league matches in NBT, we sometimes through in a hunchback or two in lighter tonnage drops. They do hit hard, but they were super easy to core so we made sure to never take too many. Our strategy was to take mechs with good survivability, so we took things mechs like wolfhounds, ares, catapaults, avatars, marauders, striders. It is true though that in a close range situation vs a smaller mech the hunchback was decently effective.

The most effective way ive seen the hunchback used though is with rac2's and increased speed. It put out a good amount of longrange firepower and against mechs its size or smaller it was good.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on June 13, 2009, 11:39:08 PM
I hope boating ANYTHING isnt effective in MWLL as it was in all ther other MW games. For some reason the AC10 has always been my favorite weapon, if only cause its so classy.  :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 13, 2009, 11:52:43 PM
Technically, boating is used in CBT too.
Longbow or example. Or Saggitaire.
Or the aforementioned Variants of the Hunchback.
Also, the Hunchback has enough Armor for a Heavy Mech while being a Medium Mech O.o
And no XL and no volatile ammo either. And even if you lose both arms and one Torso side,
you still have 4 fifths of your arsenal and no problems with heat either.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on June 14, 2009, 05:58:15 AM
^^^ yeah they used laser/energy boats to decrease dependence on resupply stations and whatnot.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on June 14, 2009, 06:53:17 AM

Also, I'm looking at your design, and the only way I can get it to work with that weaponry and heat dissipation is by loosing armor or using Endo-Steel which would make it a lvl 2 design breaking your 3025 tech claim.

Well, hes right because I have used the described model in the last 5 matches ive played on MegaMekNet over the last fortnight, a 3025 lvl 1 canon league. Its a great mech - one of the best things being you can fire all those mediums even on a 10 or 11 to hit without being worried about heat, and you always get 2 or 3 hitting even on a high roll, which can crit untouched light mechs or softened up mediums, whether theyre fast moving or not. A laser crit seeker so to speak.

They become the centre of attention pretty quickly if they werent from he start. Hell mine were headshotted to death 2 of the last 4 fights, but they did their bit every time. Love em.

EDIT: check sarna.net, the variant is called the 'swayback':
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback

I did check that before I posted as well as trying to work out the stats, and he is still wrong because that variant only mounts 8 medium lasers, not the 10 he claimed.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shakes on June 14, 2009, 10:29:01 AM
Sorry my mistake. Its easy to get excited when talking about large amounts of lasers.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Goon165 on June 14, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
Got to say the Highlander, I made it hilariously devastating

I Could knock over an Atlas with mine  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 14, 2009, 10:41:52 PM
a Light Mech can knock over an Atlas using the CBT Rules with some Lucky rolls.
a Light Mech can outright KILL a Atlas using the CBT Rules with some Lucky rolls.
Crit Hits through Armor is just nasty. But switching it off via inofficial rules makes mechs with Weapons that don't deal 5 or more points of Damage to a single location in a single hit useless.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on June 17, 2009, 02:35:54 PM
As long as the Madcat and the Summoner are in then I'm as happy as a "clan"...get it I said clan instead of clam! ;D

*awkward silence*

ok fine *walks away in shame* :'(
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on June 18, 2009, 12:47:40 AM
dont worry, mechwarior puns of all quality are wlecome here  :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LocustPilot on June 18, 2009, 03:05:16 AM
It'd be cool to have every mech that was in the Black Widow Company in the game.

Warhammer
Marauder
Crusader
Griffin
Panther
Whitworth
Firefly
Shadow Hawk
Hornet
Stinger

Two down, 8 to go :). If the mech was good enough for Natasha "Lady Death" Kerensky, it's good enough for me.

---

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Phosgene on June 18, 2009, 01:25:11 PM
Naga! (if not already included)

wonderful mech, not in the original game though some time was devoted to it in a clan supplement.

also losts of choice in the light mech classes would be nice, theres nothing nicer than bringing down a Daishi with speed and manuveurability.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Strapped McGee on June 18, 2009, 04:46:25 PM
That would be considered a Pocket Assault-Mech O.o

now ur talkin about the argus  :D

u can put a great guass in one and its only a 60 ton mech (iirc) 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 18, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
If i ain't wrong, you can put a big ass Gauss into a Hunchback too . . but i think i might be wrong.
Dunno, i am at work, no access to anything here <.<
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on June 19, 2009, 02:10:11 PM
Yes you could but a big guass on a hunchback although when you did its prime variant had something along the lines of dual MGs and a small pulse laser so you sacrifice a lot for it
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on June 19, 2009, 06:43:28 PM
Yeah, but that was allways the design idea of the hunchback in the first place ^^
4P and 5P might be the best variants in terms of effectiveness, but it's far from the mech that is built for close in fighting with one big fapping gun.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AstahKhan on June 21, 2009, 05:28:04 AM
Fire Moth

I remember that thing from MW2 and how it was useless :P

It would be awesome for CTF ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Devangelis on June 21, 2009, 08:54:34 AM
A Daishi.  Wouldnt be the same without one.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Phelan on June 21, 2009, 11:19:19 PM
im happy to see alot of the classic variants in there already... although like many have said i gotta see some daishis =P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Karuik on June 21, 2009, 11:27:56 PM
yeah somewhere along the line there will be need for daishi if not already "needed", soon enough i guess

oh btw phelan, I love your sig  :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on June 22, 2009, 12:09:33 AM
Dire wolves are cool to fight, but I would never want to pilot one.

Then again there arent many clan assaults Id ever want to pilot.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on June 22, 2009, 04:17:07 AM
Dire wolves are cool to fight, but I would never want to pilot one.

Then again there arent many clan assaults Id ever want to pilot.

Yeah I feel the same way, they pack heat but the CT sticks out like a rusty nail.

Haha, we need the gladbags!! Now those things are funny, especially people who jump snipe in them.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DoubleDown on July 01, 2009, 07:42:04 AM
Battlemaster!  something about that ginormous cockpit just makes it look cool.  functionality is a different story :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Zakatak on July 15, 2009, 08:53:39 PM
Catapult is already confirmed so no problems there :D

I love being able to blast lasers and missiles while jumping over buildings with a 65 ton toy.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Strapped McGee on July 15, 2009, 09:50:51 PM
Dire wolves are cool to fight, but I would never want to pilot one.

Then again there arent many clan assaults Id ever want to pilot.

so what you're saying is that you dont want to pilot a mech with a heavy + 2 clan gausses

fine by me... one less person to worry about ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on July 15, 2009, 10:25:50 PM
Twin gauss is suicide, nice knowing you. :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Blackfish on July 15, 2009, 10:31:33 PM
The Marauder IIC... Gotta like the King Turkey
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on July 16, 2009, 07:37:27 AM
Twin gauss is suicide, nice knowing you. :P

That is not necessarily true because you can keep them in the arms of a Clan machine where you get free CASE, so if it gets hit you only loose whatever else was in the arm (hopefully Gauss ammo), and by the time you are taking arm crits the survivability of anything there is suspect so I'm not too worried about it.  It is also less of a problem because Clan Gauss Rifles are low-heat backup weapons for assault 'Mechs unlike in the IS, so you will still have plenty of firepower left over even if you loose both arms.

However, if you take a design like the pillager which mounts a Gauss next to an IS XLE in each side torso you do most certainly have a suicide machine.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Captain IGLO on July 16, 2009, 08:08:12 AM
Don't know if it's mentioned already (too lazy to read or search) but I like the Thor!

Thor! Thor! Thooooooooor!

(explodes)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guillotine on July 16, 2009, 09:53:49 AM
My dear friend Heretic has reminded me of one of my favourite mechs..



Sagitaire! Sagitaire! Sagitaire!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on July 16, 2009, 11:26:21 AM
My dear friend Heretic has reminded me of one of my favourite mechs..



Sagitaire! Sagitaire! Sagitaire!

Aww shucks *blushes*.

Thanks man  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Trulan on July 16, 2009, 05:42:23 PM
T-Hawk and T-Bolt
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Logan Pryde on July 16, 2009, 07:13:08 PM
Timberwolf!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: skribs on July 19, 2009, 01:52:33 AM
Granted, I've not been TOO experienced with MW (mainly MW2) but I really liked Nova, Dire Wolf, and Stone Rhino.  I know Nova was small and not real fast for its class, but it was the power at the low profile that I loved.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cloudburst on July 19, 2009, 02:44:26 AM

Apocalypse.

I don't care if it's from the wrong uni, but I want it NAO!

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/120/sdapoc.png)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: NotSoSilentBob on July 21, 2009, 06:54:06 AM
Well Being the new guy I hope that posting my hopes and dreams aren't taken the wrong way.

Assaults
PILLAGER - The heaviest most armored Highest flying assault mech of a head hunter
Devastator - Another over the top assault that is a walking fire power
* side note if the Zeus is put in I hope they also have the Zeus-X
Gladiator/Executioner - Heavy high flying clan machine
Daishi - the one clan mech that can and will fit every need pretty much
Heavy
Galloglas - 70ton mech that fits clan tech quiet well
War Dog - the only mech that has unequal armor in its arms
Night Gyr - would be cool if they got laser cool heat sinks from the fluff to appear and its also a great mech
Mediums
storm crow/ryoken - Ive always loved this mech since Kai Liao piloted it and defeated a timber wolf/madcat
Huntsman/Nobori-Nin) - its a mech that looks intimidating
TR1 Wraith - reminds me of a pillager in smaller form and it has the movement to take out light mechs.
Lightray - what can I say wobbies made a mech that is worth it
Lights
Wolfhound - found this mech to be good in just about every game Ive seen it/played it on the board.
Incubus/Vixen - great scout mech
Pack Hunter - get 5 of these together and something is gonna go down fast.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on July 21, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
I just want to sit on a hillside and snipe with ERLPL and LRM20' from my Vulture
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Wolfkolf on July 21, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
Anyone for LAMs?? I thought up the way to save the IS from the Clans using LAMs. Its the ISs one way to use all that they have over the Clans. Granted I know the tactics I would use with them would be considered unhonorable to clan thinking. Oh well ;-} what ever wins the day against Clan.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on July 22, 2009, 05:15:02 AM
Anyone for LAMs?? I thought up the way to save the IS from the Clans using LAMs. Its the ISs one way to use all that they have over the Clans. Granted I know the tactics I would use with them would be considered unhonorable to clan thinking. Oh well ;-} what ever wins the day against Clan.

There is a thread I created about LAMs here that I would like to keep LAM discussion to as much as possible as they will not be in MWLL in the foreseeable future.

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,2872.0.html

The conclusion that the thread reached was that while LAMs do have some real advantages for players to exploit, the maps in MWLL will still be too small for them to properly take advantage of their mobility.  Also, I created a workable 3D model for a Clan LAM design which I posted in that thread, and is due for a final update as soon as I finish creating the video.

As for using them to balance games, IS vs. Clan is going to be balanced by price just like in CBT so integrating LAMs would only serve to add options to the game and handicapping Clan players by withholding them would be a problem.  Accessibility for Clans is not a problem because the SLDF took thousands of LAMs with them when they left the IS, so the Clans actually have more functional LAMs than the IS if they ever choose to pull them out.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on July 22, 2009, 05:32:25 PM
Every time you mention LAMs in MWLL, Ravir facepalms.
Please save Ravir's palms, he needs them for other activities.


Also, creating a "workable 3D model" is a very far cry from implementing that model in-game as a fully realised playable vehicle.  You have to consider all of the necessary animations, including ones for damaged states (ie. limp), how damage inflicted in one state is transfered or managed when the vehicle enters another state; if you lose a leg in battloid mode (ha, Robotech!) then you technically only have half your engines for flight mode.   How do you manage cockpits?  The first person view from an aerospace is radically different than that from a 'Mech.

Short story: LAMs in MWLL, ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on July 23, 2009, 11:43:00 PM
Every time you mention LAMs in MWLL, Ravir facepalms.
Please save Ravir's palms, he needs them for other activities.

I like how you say that as you enter the discussion on LAMs.

Also, LAM, LAM, LAM.  Have fun with the facepalms ;D

Quote
Also, creating a "workable 3D model" is a very far cry from implementing that model in-game as a fully realised playable vehicle.  You have to consider all of the necessary animations, including ones for damaged states (ie. limp), how damage inflicted in one state is transfered or managed when the vehicle enters another state; if you lose a leg in battloid mode (ha, Robotech!) then you technically only have half your engines for flight mode.   How do you manage cockpits?  The first person view from an aerospace is radically different than that from a 'Mech.

Short story: LAMs in MWLL, ain't gonna happen.

We have already been through this discussion, and most of this can be at least partially reused from the 'Mech and ASF code.  The intermediate AirMech mode can be completely eliminated to simplify both the coding and gameplay so you do not have any extra work for that.  Creating a model can be neglected because they would have to do that for anything they want to add, and they do not have to work out the geometry because I already did that and they are welcome to draw from my model even if they cannot use directly it because I made it in Inventor.

Damage transfer is not an issue because as soon as it takes actuator or gyro damage a LAM looses its ability to transform.  This means that you will never have the lost limb conversion issue because loosing the limb kills the actuators and transformation.

As for Cockpits, that is a complete non-issue because the LAM will be using the same cockpit in both modes.  You may need to change the HUD slightly, but that is not an issue because you can just load up the ASF or 'Mech HUD for each mode.  You might need an indicator somewhere to show what mode you are in and transformation progress, but that can be a small bit wedged in the corner.

As for your conclusion, if you read my earlier post I acknowledged that and gave actual gameplay reasons why this was true rather than assuming the devs are not going to consider adding radically new content into MWLL after they have the final release finished because based on the effort put into this mod I am confident that if they feel that something will add to the game they will work out the code to add it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Nick on August 08, 2009, 06:10:54 AM
LAM LAM LAM...You like lamb chops?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Keydet96 on August 16, 2009, 10:52:47 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Templar in this game/total conversion mod. Had a lot of fun with them in MW4.
On a side note: I'm glad they included the Hollander II. In Mech Commander 2 the original Hollander's ability to take out tanks at a distance and shatter the cockpit on larger mechs won me over. Also the Madcat/Timberwolf, Thanatos and Cougar are all past favorites from the previous games.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rockstone on August 16, 2009, 11:16:53 PM
A LAM sounds like a bad idea waiting to happen...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on August 16, 2009, 11:18:14 PM
A LAM sounds like a bad idea waiting to happen...
No, LAMS are fun. Especially the kind of reaction they can provoke in here ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rockstone on August 16, 2009, 11:32:38 PM
A LAM sounds like a bad idea waiting to happen...
No, LAMS are fun. Especially the kind of reaction they can provoke in here ^^

Schadenfreude?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gibbage on August 17, 2009, 12:55:52 AM
My pic would be this.  The M.A.C II Monster from Robotech.

(http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/sdfmacross/hwr-00-mk2.jpg)

Ya, its Robotech, but its not like MW hasent used any Robotech designs before!  The biggest problem is the fact that it cant fit inside the mech hanger....  But man it would be fun to have a walking battleship turret. 

There is also a sweet transformable version in later episodes of Machross, the VB-6. 

(http://www.ultimatetoys.com.my/New/Robotech/KonigMonster/PH1091585134.jpg)

Get the best of both worlds.  Aerospace and Battle mech!!! 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Skeeter14 on August 17, 2009, 01:18:58 AM
One mech I would very very much like to see is the Bushwacker

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r194/Highland_Piper/Bushwacker.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on August 17, 2009, 06:14:37 AM
Bushy (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/101) FTW ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stormin' on August 17, 2009, 06:26:01 AM
Yeah, the Bushy is hard to beat.  It would have been my first choice for inclusion with MWLL.  Can't wait to see the medium mechs see some love soon.

I don't know why, but still some of my favorite MW experiences were with the Avatars on the MW3 city maps.  I think I have that one buried somewhere back in this thread.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on August 17, 2009, 06:19:22 PM
I never understood why people liked the bushy they kind of sucked in battletech as a boardgame. Light armor, avg speed, and goofy weapons. It must be those Teeth on the side :P Even the text above said it was a failed maddog design. But hey to each his own, and there are much wrost mechs out there........
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on August 17, 2009, 08:58:00 PM
I never understood why people liked the bushy they kind of sucked in battletech as a boardgame. Light armor, avg speed, and goofy weapons. It must be those Teeth on the side :P Even the text above said it was a failed maddog design. But hey to each his own, and there are much wrost mechs out there........

It's a sniper in the grass, not usually a brawler.... at least on the tabletop.  AC10, LRM5s and Large laser (ER IIRC) made it a useful line 'mech (Like an improved Centurion TBH), matched against a Shadow Cat it really can hold it's own, and that's pretty impressive for an IS 'mech with only 10tons on the SCat.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cloudburst on August 17, 2009, 10:15:28 PM
Tbh, if I pilot any mech after I'm done vtoling/aerospacing, it's gonna be a bushwhacker.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rakkis on August 20, 2009, 04:26:42 PM
I c there's no Marauder IIC :'(.... Guess I have to make due with a sumner
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xInVicTuSx on August 20, 2009, 04:37:48 PM
Annihilator! The towering zombie mech ftw! Run if you wish, but don't let me get to you or I will eat your brains.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: aresfiend on August 25, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
The Ares three legged mech! it isnt in any other BT/MW game, or at least the tarantula

(http://Ares)(http://Tarantula)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on August 25, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
hahaha im pretty sure the ares has already been talked about.

Problem is in the battletech timeline it DOESNT EXIST untill like a century after the events taking place in MWLL, so it cant be included. Also its a MWDA design and therefore not Battletech in my eyes, but thats just me.

I think the devs said No quads, which depresses me a bit, but not alot.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: aresfiend on August 26, 2009, 12:02:18 AM
Actually the ares wasnt discovered untill a century later, it was already made in 2050-2250 with a few generations of entire trained families, and battletech is part quad mechs, i specialize in non-bipedal mechs as do most of my friends, non bipedal mechs are much more capable in traversing terrain, like rocky terrain or unstable terrain. example: 1-5 ton boulders on a mountainside would quickly kill a biped mech if a few boulders fall, if a tri or quad mech had a few boulders fall it would quickly regain a foothold with a leg or two while 1 or two legs were not making contact, where as an uller or even wolfhound slipped and fell it could be crushed, or an atlas would lose a foothold, fall and be brought down by its armor and not be able to get up, or just take too much damage if i didnt start a landslide first. all im saying is that tri and quad mechs need to be given a chance. anybody that hates tri or quad mechs can be crushed under the foot of an ares, or be plagued by tarantulas and scorpions.(honestly tho, who hates non-bipedal mechs?)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: lessergod on August 26, 2009, 02:09:48 PM
honestly tho, who hates non-bipedal mechs?)

(Raises hand) It just ain't right I tells ya! Freaks o nature that they be.

(http://www.likecool.com/Gear/Gadget/Logging%20Spider/Logging-Spider.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Because people mistake me for someone else on August 26, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
and the round goes to : lessergod  though TKO


xD
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on August 26, 2009, 04:29:43 PM
Actually.......

Would love to see more vehicles period.

I understand that most people like to customize their 'mechs into single-purpose boats....I don't like that, have always loved stock matches so would prefer 100 different chassis with 3-4 variants of each than 16 'mechs a side and unlimited customisation.  That way encyclopedic knowledge of the difference between a 5M and 5S version of the same chassis can deliver an advantage or different tactics, and balance is pretty good with the CBT variants.

BT3025 did it, and it was the finest online MW game yet seen IMO.... BT3025s hundreds of stock 'mechs heaven to MW3s - lets have a summoner with 12ersmall lasers or dual Ultra20s playstyle  and I must say it was a big let down (although I loved MW3 for many other reasons).

The logic I believe is sound....full customisation creates boats ergo games become very samey as boats are all very samey.... people WANT to customise because they did it on Need for Speed on their XBox and the industry assumes that customisation will keep peoples interest in the game, so it seems that everyones wants to customise in a MW game.  How many of us have ever demanded a fully custom Tank-sim? 

Conclusion:  MW games suffer from customisation, it doesn't bring anything new to the table, just MW4 samey gameplay.

I know this will be lost on those who grew up after BT3025 was canned or have only experienced MechAssault or MW4 (MW4 vanilla wasn't so different in terms of Fail from MechAssault) so you'll just have to imagine this scene:

OC: "What the hell are you doing Soldier?!!"
Soldier:"Sir, I'm pimping my tank Sir!"
*OCs head explodes, Soldier is on toilet duty for next 2 years*
;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Eldragon on August 26, 2009, 05:10:57 PM

Conclusion:  MW games suffer from customisation, it doesn't bring anything new to the table, just MW4 samey gameplay.


I wouldn't play Battletech games if there was no customization. Being able to design a mech around your play style is lots of fun. It keeps me coming back to the game as I experiment with new design ideas. Stock-only matches suffer just as much from the "samey". People figure out some stock designs are simply better than others, and gravitate to those designs. The MW4 stock-only servers certainly had a lot of the same mechs over and over again. IMHO MW4 suffered not from the customization, but from poor weapon/mech balance.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on August 26, 2009, 05:16:50 PM
I prefer stock variant gameplay, because given the option people will just cram up on a bunch of the same or similar weapons, boating like Heretic described.

Sure some variants will become more popular, if they're too popular thats when u implement patches to nerf\alter said variants or buff less popular ones.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on August 27, 2009, 01:34:35 AM

Conclusion:  MW games suffer from customisation, it doesn't bring anything new to the table, just MW4 samey gameplay.


I wouldn't play Battletech games if there was no customization. Being able to design a mech around your play style is lots of fun. It keeps me coming back to the game as I experiment with new design ideas. Stock-only matches suffer just as much from the "samey". People figure out some stock designs are simply better than others, and gravitate to those designs. The MW4 stock-only servers certainly had a lot of the same mechs over and over again. IMHO MW4 suffered not from the customization, but from poor weapon/mech balance. You got your missile boats,

Oh come on....there's hundreds....perhaps over a 1200+ stock 'mech chassis and variations......
You want to be a laser-wh@re? You got Crab, Supernova, Flashman etc.
You're autocannon fixated? (I am) You got Mauler, Anni, Bandersnatch and a dozen others to choose from.
You like LRMs? Try a Longbow, Apollo or Archer etc.
Always liked SRMs? You've got your Artic Wolf and many more SRM packed mediums and lights.
MGuns your thing? Piranha etc.
and so on and so on......

To say there is not a stock 'mech to suit your style is really rather facile.  And I'm not saying boats don't exist in CBT (some of those I've already mentioned are stock boats).  But boats are an exception, when they become the common then the fun disappears fast (that was true with CBT and MW games).

Mastering the quirks of each stock chassis is much more fun than designing your own super-'mech, to me that gets old fast (Like MW4s stick 11 LRM10s on anything you can get them on, or MW3s stick a dozen medium lasers on every 'mech chassis you can find).  This cheapens the differences between the chassis (that's the sole of the machine BTW) and destroys any Simulation/Immersion factor for me, to be blunt.

Your post ends abruptly so I apologise If I've answered you out of context.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Eldragon on August 27, 2009, 03:38:49 AM
Looks like a portion of my post got cut off. No Idea why. I have simply cut off the trailing sentence to avoid confusing others.

Even if I had all 1200+ stock mech designs available to choose from, I would still roll custom designs. Its not that there isn't a stock mech to suit my style, its that its far more fun to have a design to call my own.

For Megamek, I spend more time toying with ideas in the Mechlab than I do playing the actual game. It's not that I only want to play custom mechs because I want to min-max the crap out of a particular design.

Instead I like to make minor adjustments to a stock design; still following the spirit of the design. For example my favorite mech right now is an Uziel with Snub-Nosed PPCs. Very similar to the original design, yet different enough to be unique playing experience.

 I am not a fan of super-munchkin Mech either. In the tabletop game, Super-Munchkin mech's are not game breaking. But in the computer games, there are certainly problems because not all weapons are balanced, and they don't have 25 years of rules adjustments and playtesting behind them.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 13th Fear on August 28, 2009, 05:47:51 AM
One mech I always enjoyed back in mw2 was the Grizzly.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: STUN on August 28, 2009, 08:41:40 AM
One mech I always enjoyed back in mw2 was the Grizzly.

I would really love to see this one as well
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tharpe on August 29, 2009, 01:47:51 AM
Aw, nobody likes Grasshoppers?  Loved that 'mech! 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Frenzy on August 29, 2009, 02:20:24 AM
Atlas! oh wait...

maybe atlas IIC then. (not real)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Chavez_Ninja on August 29, 2009, 02:30:44 AM
One mech I always enjoyed back in mw2 was the Grizzly.

I would really love to see this one as well

Boo Yeah! I second that motion (or third actually...). See my display pic.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: RegularGuy on August 31, 2009, 11:36:42 AM
I'd wish to see Hercs from the legendary game MissionForce: Cyberstorm  ;D

I know some of them move on four or six legs and have weapons placed a bit ridiculously, but some of them could be used such as the Giant, Reaper, Hades, Juggernaut and Remora ..
and if you guys want to take a look of them here's a couple of links: Hercs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHUp4q3cWE8) & Cybrids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDefD0QwUw)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Tharpe on August 31, 2009, 12:35:49 PM
Oh, my. 

Wrong genre, sir.  This is BATTLETECH. 

The devs won't even consider a Goliath so you're just farting in the wind.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on August 31, 2009, 02:12:58 PM
I'd wish to see Hercs from the legendary game MissionForce: Cyberstorm  ;D

I know some of them move on four or six legs and have weapons placed a bit ridiculously, but some of them could be used such as the Giant, Reaper, Hades, Juggernaut and Remora ..
and if you guys want to take a look of them here's a couple of links: Hercs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHUp4q3cWE8) & Cybrids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDefD0QwUw)

I loved that game!!

But yeah theyd definetly rip mechs apart, with their higher tech weapons and energy shields.

Im still a battletech man though!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cloudburst on August 31, 2009, 05:12:40 PM
I'd wish to see Hercs from the legendary game MissionForce: Cyberstorm  ;D

I know some of them move on four or six legs and have weapons placed a bit ridiculously, but some of them could be used such as the Giant, Reaper, Hades, Juggernaut and Remora ..
and if you guys want to take a look of them here's a couple of links: Hercs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHUp4q3cWE8) & Cybrids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDefD0QwUw)

Don't forget HERCs from StarSiege. Same universe, but, diff chassis and otherwise. I'd love to see em in, but their higher tech would just make them overpowered.

Plus this is battletech, not metaltech/starsiege.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on August 31, 2009, 08:48:58 PM
Sadly so, because the Hercs from Earthsiege were frigging Heavy Metal ^^
The whole game rocked. If Mechwarrior had not been made, this would have been it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cloudburst on August 31, 2009, 09:24:26 PM
Imo, ES2 was better than MW2 (ES1, even). I played SS a whole lot more than both MW3 and MW4, but I like them all.

But that is a discussion for later.

As for 'mechs I want in MWLL,

Raven? Is that in? Howabout Grizzly? Commando?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Frenzy on September 01, 2009, 06:45:53 AM
King Crab!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: RegularGuy on September 01, 2009, 10:02:02 AM
I'd wish to see Hercs from the legendary game MissionForce: Cyberstorm  ;D

I know some of them move on four or six legs and have weapons placed a bit ridiculously, but some of them could be used such as the Giant, Reaper, Hades, Juggernaut and Remora ..
and if you guys want to take a look of them here's a couple of links: Hercs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHUp4q3cWE8) & Cybrids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDefD0QwUw)

Don't forget HERCs from StarSiege. Same universe, but, diff chassis and otherwise. I'd love to see em in, but their higher tech would just make them overpowered.

Plus this is battletech, not metaltech/starsiege.

But what i was thinking about adding Starsiege and/or Cyberstorm HERCs, was that their weapons and armor would be modified to a Mechwarrior friendly, for example the Giant; it can be used as a ballistic support with Long Tom, LBX, Autocannons etc. or it's weapons could be converted to Omni-slots for different variants ..

Another example would be Remora, it can act as a fast moving Scout/Anti-tank/Anti-infantry 'Mech, with a few small/medium lasers and gatling guns ..

i have lots of ideas about how to make these HERCs suitable for Mechwarrior .. but i'll save them for some other time  :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bensam123 on September 01, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
Half the fun is tweaking a design to get it just right and then blow it up in a few seconds of combat.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Frenzy on September 03, 2009, 09:53:10 AM
Protomechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guillotine on September 03, 2009, 06:18:01 PM
Been awhile since I posted this, and I have a new list of mechs that will probably not get put in! :D


Guillotine (IIC)
Sagittaire
Gargoyle/Man o War
Grizzly
Valkyrie
Sentry/Watchman (Whichever is the newer one, I forget.)
Black Lanner (If its not already in, I haven't checked the factions page in ages.)
Rakshasha
BlackJack
FLASHMAN
Kingfisher
Turkina
Merlin
Falconer
Thunderbolt

And that'll do for now.. >_>
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SurgeonDCMHJ on September 04, 2009, 02:03:26 AM
Someone mentioned the spider, which was called the Tarantula in mw2 - you could play it in the single player but only unlock it in netmech by tweaking some stuff. Though it was also mentioned that there weren't going to be any mechs with more than 2 legs, it could still be a great anti-Elemental mech or at least an awesome Lol-mech.

C'mon, add the Tarantula. Do it for the lulz.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on September 04, 2009, 03:21:11 AM
Someone mentioned the spider, which was called the Tarantula in mw2 - you could play it in the single player but only unlock it in netmech by tweaking some stuff. Though it was also mentioned that there weren't going to be any mechs with more than 2 legs, it could still be a great anti-Elemental mech or at least an awesome Lol-mech.

C'mon, add the Tarantula. Do it for the lulz.

No the spider is a different mech. The spider is bipedal and has 2 medium lasers, it has more in common with spiderman than an actual spider.

But yeah the tarantula is a cool mech!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Menth on September 04, 2009, 06:12:35 AM
Im sure the usual suspects have been covered.. (highlander.. kodiak.. etc..)

I always coveted a chance for a spider or a Grasshopper.. REAL old school... jenner..

I always wanted a game to let me make MASC equipped spider with beagle+ as my scout... yes.. that meant no weapons.. but a 30ton dropweight.. low profile..  the speed would be tremendous.. and it could jump further than anything.. youd never even see it on the battlefield


grasshopper is just nostalgia.. An upgraded Archer would be nice.. (I have a weakness for the mechs with artwork taken directly from macross)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on September 04, 2009, 07:16:47 AM
Damn, now that Guillotine has brought it up I am thinking that the Kingfisher would be a kick ass zombie addition to the Clan lineup.  Say what you will about its limited pod space, but the max armor and SFE along with energy weapon only configs like the C makes it one hell of a zombie.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HellHound on September 10, 2009, 02:03:07 AM
King Crab!

Great mech, i also want to see it here.
And the Rifleman and Jenner of course...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Werewolf486}12thVR{ on September 10, 2009, 05:43:31 AM
Foremost I want to see great multi-player on-line gaming (which I believe will be delivered). I want to see Aerospace, ground, and mechs fighting it out. I want fluid seamless game play! I want my buddy and brother providing me with great air support, and the rest of my firends on the ground with me fighting for what we believe in, money!

But......I would like to see the IIc mechs from the original 3055 Technical readouts, you know the ones that Harmony Gold got removed from the book(rightfully so since no royalties were payed). I still have 2 originals one is in mint condition, the other my husky chewed on, BUT I have them.

War Hammer IIc, Marauder IIc, Shadow hawk IIc, Jenner IIc and so on! I would also like to see the 80 ton Ventilator!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SeniorBiscuit on September 10, 2009, 05:49:21 PM
Im sure ive stated it before but Battlemaster Battlemaster Battlemaster!!!

Oh and a centurion for while im saving up C-bills for my

BATTLEMASTER

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on September 19, 2009, 07:24:08 PM


locust
put jjs on it and its a dream light mech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: wolfsdragoons31 on September 22, 2009, 12:38:29 AM
i would want to see a strider the most because its one of my favorite medium/light mechs from mechwarrior 3
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on September 22, 2009, 09:42:19 AM


locust
put jjs on it and its a dream light mech
GAH!
FUGLY!
Stupid dumb Project Phoenix <.<
That thing looks more like a Marauder than anything else x.x
Also, the MG-Barrels are WAAYY too frigging huge compared to the Medium Laser . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on September 22, 2009, 11:34:34 AM
GAH!
FUGLY!
Stupid dumb Project Phoenix <.<
That thing looks more like a Marauder than anything else x.x
Also, the MG-Barrels are WAAYY too frigging huge compared to the Medium Laser . .

Agreed, that thing belongs in a Robotech game, not Battletech.

No 'Mecha, plz. Kthxbai.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on October 02, 2009, 03:33:02 AM


locust
put jjs on it and its a dream light mech
GAH!
FUGLY!
Stupid dumb Project Phoenix <.<
That thing looks more like a Marauder than anything else x.x
Also, the MG-Barrels are WAAYY too frigging huge compared to the Medium Laser . .

Am I missing something? Those are not machine guns but Heavy small lasers on the arms and the one above the CT is an ER medium laser.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CWrebel23 on October 04, 2009, 11:57:49 PM
SUNDER FTW :D:D:D:DD:D:D
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/7/70/Sunder.jpg/191px-Sunder.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kodiak on October 06, 2009, 04:13:27 AM
Kodiak

One and Only :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on October 06, 2009, 04:17:23 PM
The Awesome is a different mech entirely.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on October 08, 2009, 01:56:09 AM
Kodiak

One and Only :D

No, it's
HIGHLANDER!

There can only be one! Just not in MWLL...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kodiak on October 08, 2009, 07:12:25 PM
Alrite Alrite some sort of Gummy Bear Mech :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Guillotine on October 10, 2009, 02:09:36 AM
Rifleman
Jaegermech(Jagger?/Jager?)
Enforcer
Grand Titan
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 10, 2009, 03:33:58 PM
Jägermech :) (Hunter... um, mech.)

Like Jägermeister, the #1 drink of 3055 pilots everywhere.

I do think the Jägermech would be pretty useful in this game as a badass anti-air platform, but there's already a tank that has practically the same loadout of UAC2s I think.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 10, 2009, 03:38:32 PM


locust
put jjs on it and its a dream light mech
GAH!
FUGLY!
Stupid dumb Project Phoenix <.<
That thing looks more like a Marauder than anything else x.x
Also, the MG-Barrels are WAAYY too frigging huge compared to the Medium Laser . .

Am I missing something? Those are not machine guns but Heavy small lasers on the arms and the one above the CT is an ER medium laser.

If you think that's stupid looking, you should see the original Locust.

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/8/88/Lct-5m_locust.jpg)

Behold! Yeah, I hate the Marauder because it looks like an anime disaster too.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on October 10, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
erh It isn't ???
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 10, 2009, 09:58:38 PM
erh It isn't ???

wat
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on October 10, 2009, 10:31:19 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F8wPiyEizjI/R_jL-X3xwnI/AAAAAAAAAFA/fwZ0np36V50/s320/normal_BAttletechLocust.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F8wPiyEizjI/R_jL-X3xwnI/AAAAAAAAAFA/fwZ0np36V50/s320/normal_BAttletechLocust.jpg) is the original locust.

The one you are displaying is the -5M which has an ER Medium Laser and 4 ER Small Lasers along with the AMS.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 10, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F8wPiyEizjI/R_jL-X3xwnI/AAAAAAAAAFA/fwZ0np36V50/s320/normal_BAttletechLocust.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F8wPiyEizjI/R_jL-X3xwnI/AAAAAAAAAFA/fwZ0np36V50/s320/normal_BAttletechLocust.jpg) is the original locust.

The one you are displaying is the -5M which has an ER Medium Laser and 4 ER Small Lasers along with the AMS.

Doesn't look any less retarded :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on October 11, 2009, 12:06:13 AM
a chicken 'mech (http://brianscache.com/unseen/ostall.jpg) is what it is, both of them (http://brianscache.com/unseen/tro-locust.jpg) ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 11, 2009, 06:52:36 AM
My favorite part is the lasers that point at absolutely nothing. They look like they're ready to shoot fireworks.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on October 11, 2009, 08:56:40 PM
The Novacat
Awesomenessss
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)FredrickTech on October 15, 2009, 08:26:40 PM
I think if MWLL ever has an expansion down the line(hey, we can dream, right?) it should be in 3068 or so when the Clans can come back.  And then, in that, I want the Rakshasa.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on October 15, 2009, 08:43:32 PM
Doesn't look any less retarded :D

Because most people are obsessed with the big beefy looking mechs the smaller ones usually get ignored and chided (like you have done), you grow to respect and love them when you use them in a long running campaign in the board game, when they are usually used what they were designed for.  I like the look of allot of the smaller mechs well the 3025 stuff anyway.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)FredrickTech on October 15, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
Doesn't look any less retarded :D

Because most people are obsessed with the big beefy looking mechs the smaller ones usually get ignored and chided (like you have done), you grow to respect and love them when you use them in a long running campaign in the board game, when they are usually used what they were designed for.  I like the look of allot of the smaller mechs well the 3025 stuff anyway.

THANK YOU.  I think the Locust was damn good looking to start with, and was one of the few to look better post-Phoenix.  It doesn't deserve the bad rep!

EDIT: Hey, look, I'm a Recruit now!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on October 16, 2009, 01:12:02 AM
Hey
Ghlest,
The Nova cat is awesome
but I also love Hellspawn and cougar
dont judge just based on what people posted in the forum
 ;D :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on October 16, 2009, 03:27:58 AM
Doesn't look any less retarded :D

Because most people are obsessed with the big beefy looking mechs the smaller ones usually get ignored and chided (like you have done), you grow to respect and love them when you use them in a long running campaign in the board game, when they are usually used what they were designed for.  I like the look of allot of the smaller mechs well the 3025 stuff anyway.
Because I don't like the Locust I'm therefore a philistine when it comes to light mechs as no red-blooded human could possibly find a problem with that mech.

Or it's because, as I pointed out, the two racks of guns just look stupid as all hell, pointing off at nothing in every picture. If you remove the 'ears' and the silly circular things they're attached to, it looks a lot better. But without a doubt those stupid gun racks ruin the design to the point of just looked downright dumb.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)FredrickTech on October 16, 2009, 06:40:09 AM
Doesn't look any less retarded :D

Because most people are obsessed with the big beefy looking mechs the smaller ones usually get ignored and chided (like you have done), you grow to respect and love them when you use them in a long running campaign in the board game, when they are usually used what they were designed for.  I like the look of allot of the smaller mechs well the 3025 stuff anyway.
Because I don't like the Locust I'm therefore a philistine when it comes to light mechs as no red-blooded human could possibly find a problem with that mech.

Or it's because, as I pointed out, the two racks of guns just look stupid as all hell, pointing off at nothing in every picture. If you remove the 'ears' and the silly circular things they're attached to, it looks a lot better. But without a doubt those stupid gun racks ruin the design to the point of just looked downright dumb.

I like to pretend that they're two halves of one SRM6 and they point upwards for indirect fire.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on October 16, 2009, 12:35:46 PM
I think because every shot you see of a locust they are pointed in random directions hehe.  But your opinion is your opinion, I personally think that allot of the clan mechs look retarded.  But we all have our own opinion of the direction of BT :)

I mean even from this thread ...

(http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1758.0;attach=6820;image)

That's probably the epitome of stupid for me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gnarlycharly on October 16, 2009, 11:50:28 PM
Um, just so you know, they novacat is going to be on mwll. ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Shyndown on October 17, 2009, 12:11:11 AM
lol
i know
im expressing my opinon
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS=Zeus on October 17, 2009, 12:42:17 AM
I just figure that the machine guns (srms, small lasers, etc) are simply in a "safety" tilt in the pictures. When the Locust actually gets into combat they pivot down to line up with targets. Similar to how these tanks on parade have their guns pointed at maximum angle up for safety reasons.

(http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/T72B_Minsk_Parade_May_2005_1.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on October 22, 2009, 06:23:20 PM
I wonder if there is a reason why they make the extra armor plating cut in to squares like that.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on October 22, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
Its easier to produce, cost less, and can be placed on numerous types of vehicles :-X
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Steppin Razor on October 22, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
It could also be reactive, or ceramic plates designed to defeat armor piercing rounds.   Also the locust was an excellent CBT mech.  Especially against average gunnery opponents.   

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ghiest on October 22, 2009, 09:12:20 PM
Yer looks like reactive armour plating to me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CW]Aresye on October 26, 2009, 12:49:50 AM
Won't stop a hellfire missile from utterly wrecking that thing though ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =]FC[=Striker on October 26, 2009, 02:52:33 AM
I wonder if there is a reason why they make the extra armor plating cut in to squares like that.

As others have mentioned that is a type of reactive armor. When hit by a projectile it creates a mini explosion. The explosion is a shape charge that essentially neutralizes the incoming projectile or in a way re-routes the explosion of a missile minimizing damage. This is a terrible way of explaining it, but the other part is that with armor piercing explosive rounds it causes the round to actually explode before it can penetrate armor.

Depending on what you are coming up against it can be very effective, but has caused nations like the US to make even better weapons. For instance the TOW2B which has two warheads instead of one. It fires above the tank and shoots out a small warhead that impacts the reactive plate, then has a second warhead that hits the same spot after the reactive plate has been destroyed. It generally impacts the turret of a tank as that tends to be the weakest spot.

Striker
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Nick on October 26, 2009, 03:49:47 AM
Good explaining, Striker. I actually read up on TOWs yesterday.


I WANNA SEE DA NICKINATOR 'MECH!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Karuik on November 26, 2009, 02:47:09 AM
GESUUUUUUUUUU! i love the gesu, nice and versatile! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLWNjh7-2Ns lol cheesy music video tribute :-X
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spyro on November 27, 2009, 05:10:54 AM
I just figure that the machine guns (srms, small lasers, etc) are simply in a "safety" tilt in the pictures. When the Locust actually gets into combat they pivot down to line up with targets. Similar to how these tanks on parade have their guns pointed at maximum angle up for safety reasons.

(http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/T72B_Minsk_Parade_May_2005_1.jpg)

is that reactive armor on the tanks or what is that?  or did they put padding on it so they could bring it into the Chucky-Cheese play area?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on November 27, 2009, 06:20:27 AM
yep that it is :D Highly effective for repelling the blast away from the Tank.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/T72_Georgia.jpg/800px-T72_Georgia.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour)
Press image.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on November 27, 2009, 09:01:59 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/51363/martyrepost.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on November 27, 2009, 04:34:51 PM
Aww Siege, it's a picture of a Tank, what could be wrong with that?  :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on November 27, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
Aww Siege, it's a picture of a Tank, what could be wrong with that?  :D

Heh, yeah,  but I got a serious sense of deju vu from that one.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Werewolf486}12thVR{ on December 05, 2009, 05:51:39 PM
Just to reiterate, I want to see the WarHammer IIc!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Pest on December 06, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
How about something like this:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/travburg1/Above-all-else-Firepower.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Pest on December 06, 2009, 05:52:09 PM
yep that it is :D Highly effective for repelling the blast away from the Tank.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/T72_Georgia.jpg/800px-T72_Georgia.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour)
Press image.

Would hate to have to detail that sucker!  Punishment detail! ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: UKLN5245 on December 07, 2009, 02:43:21 AM
 :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2009, 02:03:06 PM
I would love to see the Ryoken II in this mod.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on December 15, 2009, 10:09:25 PM
Not a bad 'Mech, although it will require people to play it differently than they are used to using a heavy.  It is basically a flack battery on legs with some indirect fire capable missile batteries, so you will need to park it behind a hill and cover the skies while supplying LRMs for an ally with TAG.  However, you should be able to replicate the arsenal on a Timber Wolf if you feel so inclined.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2009, 01:46:41 AM
I like the Anastasia Kerensky's variant...

2 ER PPCs
2 ER Medium Lasers
2 SRM 6
12 tons Ferro-Fibrous
15 double heat sinks
Jump Jets

This loadout would suit me better than the default.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on December 16, 2009, 02:17:56 AM
Ick.  Poor heat management at any range, and the use of standard SRMs on a Clan 'Mech is really puzzling unless you are planning on going vehicle hunting with Infernos.  You would be much better off with this:

2 ER Large Lasers
2 Streak SRM 6's with 2 tons of ammuntion
3 ER Medium Lasers
ECM
12 tons FF armor
14 DHS
and your mysterious extra half ton that come up assuming you are using Endo-Steel to not go overweight.  I would fill this with a Micro Pulse Laser to mop up infantry, but I am reluctant to allocate anything here without more information.

It gives you enough dissipation to blaze away up close while jumping for no heat gain, and you can fire the long ranged weapons and still be at -4 before movement so you can jump around for a while without much trouble.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)ColFork on December 16, 2009, 02:22:49 AM
As long as one of these are included, I'm happy.

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/879/bushwackermw46568351.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2009, 02:40:20 AM
It would be nice to add the Gnome and Kanazuchi heavy battle armors.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on December 16, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
...........the use of standard SRMs on a Clan 'Mech is really puzzling.

Mad Dog Alt A
ERPPC, LB-5X, 6SRM6

One of my favourite variants for stock city fights in the PC games, never tried it on the tabletop though I'd imagine you'd get a good bit more damage than 2Steak6s (would have to test that against 3Steak6s though which IIRC is the equivalent weight).  Those 6SRM6 would floor a DireWolf and even when it got back up it would be in bad shape.

The standard SRMs take up fewer slots also IIRC, so I can see a good clan marksman dumping the Steaks for the more wasteful but more numerous standard SRMs (plus you can load infernos into some or all as you pointed out).

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on December 16, 2009, 05:37:39 PM
Infernos and all other kinds of Ammo. Some of which is REALLY evil . .
also, i HATE Streaks with a passion. If i don't hit, i can't shoot, so aside from dumping it, no way of getting rid of the ammo AT ALL . .

also, no, please not more battlearmor . . rather some protoMECHS.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on December 16, 2009, 06:01:09 PM
w00t no Purifier (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Purifier_Adaptive) :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on December 16, 2009, 06:25:31 PM
I like the idea of protomechs but I could never get them to work well in MegaMek.

In a real-time game from what I gather, movement-wise they would basically be (< or = ) 9 ton battlearmor. Only with all of a mech's weaknesses and none of a battlearmor's advantages besides maybe height.

My hierarchy of what I want to see but never will is:

1: Melee combat, even if it's only for mechs that carry melee weapons.

2: Quads

3: The mechs who shalt not be mentioned on this forum. "The L word"s. You get the idea.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on December 16, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
Lumberjacks?
Lynx?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2009, 06:45:33 PM
The purifier adaptive would be a killer addition to this mod. It would be ideal for hit and run attacks with a Narc beacon or a TAG laser equipped.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bcbear on December 16, 2009, 07:05:31 PM
Want :P (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Rottweiler)
You think the Purifier would be a good hit and run BA?
Imagine a pack of these swarming your mech >:D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2009, 07:27:07 PM
Wow...with that kind of speed and protection that armor would be much better at hit and run.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Diablo48 on December 16, 2009, 11:05:07 PM
...........the use of standard SRMs on a Clan 'Mech is really puzzling.

Mad Dog Alt A
ERPPC, LB-5X, 6SRM6

One of my favourite variants for stock city fights in the PC games, never tried it on the tabletop though I'd imagine you'd get a good bit more damage than 2Steak6s (would have to test that against 3Steak6s though which IIRC is the equivalent weight).  Those 6SRM6 would floor a DireWolf and even when it got back up it would be in bad shape.

The standard SRMs take up fewer slots also IIRC, so I can see a good clan marksman dumping the Steaks for the more wasteful but more numerous standard SRMs (plus you can load infernos into some or all as you pointed out).

Well, Clan Streak SRMs have better range than standards which in the board game also means they are more likely to hit in certain range bands in addition to being able to fire earlier.  Additionally, every missile from a Streak launcher is guaranteed to hit if the weapon fires, unlike standard SRMs which must roll on the cluster hits tables which virtually guarantees some missiles will not connect even if the salvo hits.  Furthermore, if the Streak system misses, it will not actually fire so it conserves ammo and heat while letting you fire away on high risk shots because there is no drawback to a miss.  Now, the Streak SRM 6 does take twice the tonnage and criticals of the standard, but when you consider the performance improvements and lower ammunition consumption the Streak system comes out well ahead.  The only advantage the standard Clan SRMs have is the special munitions which make them lethal for vehicle hunting work and some other odd jobs as has already been mentioned.

For the IS system on the other hand, you get no range increase, although the tonnage boost is only 50% this time.  It can also run into problems with IS Triple Strength Myomer because that requires you to stay at exactly +9 heat for maximum effect so the inconsistent heat generation is problematic.

Edit: on the topic of BA, the Sylph (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sylph) would be fun, although it would probably be a suicide machine.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Russcat on December 16, 2009, 11:34:55 PM
Favourite mechs:

Gladiator / Executioner,
Black Knight,
Couldron Born.

The first 2 mechs so i can jump snipe quad CERPPCs and Gauss Rifle like i used to do in MW Mercs MP3 (not that this config would be viable in this version of mechwarrior?).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spyro on December 16, 2009, 11:37:48 PM
The first 2 mechs so i can jump snipe quad CERPPCs and Gauss Rifle like i used to do in MW Mercs MP3 (not that this config would be viable in this version of mechwarrior?).

I just threw up in my mouth...jump sniping CERPPC/Gauss was the #1 reason I completely stopped playing MW4
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Russcat on December 16, 2009, 11:48:34 PM
The first 2 mechs so i can jump snipe quad CERPPCs and Gauss Rifle like i used to do in MW Mercs MP3 (not that this config would be viable in this version of mechwarrior?).

I just threw up in my mouth...jump sniping CERPPC/Gauss was the #1 reason I completely stopped playing MW4

Well, your loss.  This is going off topic somewhat, but why did you give up mw4 because of jump sniping? After all, it was a legitimate tactic and i bet that it will probably be used In MWLL.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on December 16, 2009, 11:54:28 PM
Not to that extent, due to there being jets and small allmost invisible elementals with TAG lasers . .
And yes, i stopped playing MW4 because of jump snipering too . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on December 17, 2009, 12:02:36 AM

Well, your loss.  This is going off topic somewhat, but why did you give up mw4 because of jump sniping? After all, it was a legitimate tactic and i bet that it will probably be used In MWLL.


Ever heard of the phenomenon of "Bunnyhopping"? It's something that occurs in many games, but was especially prevalent in games like BF2 where physics were easily exploitable.

Or offset shooting? It's a bit rarer, but the basic idea is that in (whatever game), you press yourself up against a solid, opaque surface - like a door, say - and spray bullets. Because you're so close, the bullets appear on the other side of the wall/obstacle, and you can effectively shoot through it.

Point is that it's cheap, unsportsmanlike behaviour. The people that used it called it a "Legitimate tactic", when they really meant "It works".

Jump-sniping is cheap, unsportsmanlike behaviour. People call it "Legitimate" because it is effective. Obviously, the only people who think bunnyhopping/jump-sniping/offset-shooting AREN'T legitimate tactics must just be whiny losers who suck at the game, rather than honourable combatants who want a fair, honest game.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Karuik on December 17, 2009, 12:16:27 AM
i only quit the pub games because of jumpsniping... league play is still plagued by it too sadly, just cant win  :-\

whatever, never will i be a sitting duck again! I CAN FLYYY! and yes go on jumpsniping; "a flight of xerxes is headed your way"  ;)

to at least attempt to stay on topic btw, Gesu... the vote still stands.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on December 17, 2009, 12:16:35 AM

Well, your loss.  This is going off topic somewhat, but why did you give up mw4 because of jump sniping? After all, it was a legitimate tactic and i bet that it will probably be used In MWLL.


Ever heard of the phenomenon of "Bunnyhopping"? It's something that occurs in many games, but was especially prevalent in games like BF2 where physics were easily exploitable.

Or offset shooting? It's a bit rarer, but the basic idea is that in (whatever game), you press yourself up against a solid, opaque surface - like a door, say - and spray bullets. Because you're so close, the bullets appear on the other side of the wall/obstacle, and you can effectively shoot through it.

Point is that it's cheap, unsportsmanlike behaviour. The people that used it called it a "Legitimate tactic", when they really meant "It works".

Jump-sniping is cheap, unsportsmanlike behaviour. People call it "Legitimate" because it is effective. Obviously, the only people who think bunnyhopping/jump-sniping/offset-shooting AREN'T legitimate tactics must just be whiny losers who suck at the game, rather than honourable combatants who want a fair, honest game.
this, basically.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Russcat on December 17, 2009, 07:11:03 PM

Or offset shooting? It's a bit rarer, but the basic idea is that in (whatever game), you press yourself up against a solid, opaque surface - like a door, say - and spray bullets. Because you're so close, the bullets appear on the other side of the wall/obstacle, and you can effectively shoot through it.

Point is that it's cheap, unsportsmanlike behaviour. The people that used it called it a "Legitimate tactic", when they really meant "It works".

Jump-sniping is cheap, unsportsmanlike behaviour. People call it "Legitimate" because it is effective. Obviously, the only people who think bunnyhopping/jump-sniping/offset-shooting AREN'T legitimate tactics must just be whiny losers who suck at the game, rather than honourable combatants who want a fair, honest game.

Er excuse me but i think you are way out of order in your accusations, just because i said i used certain tactics, doesn't mean i exploit the game physics, so stop the direct attacks when you don't even know me or my style of play.  In fact jump sniping was not the only tactic i would employ, i was also quite good brawling, hit n fade, using sensors, long range sniping, using weapon knock and using terrain as cover in addition to jump sniping behind buildings and high hills. All tactics where viable depending on the situation.  If you don't want to use that tactic then don't use it but don't accuse others of cheating or being whiny losers when you don't even know that person.  I was always willing to face anyone in a fair fight.

Back on topic, i would also like to see the Cyclops.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Karuik on December 17, 2009, 07:28:00 PM
well either way, lol@jumpsniping
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on December 17, 2009, 07:41:26 PM
Goddamn it I hate it when people misunderstand me. Allow me a moment to dissect this post then we'll get on at Mechs...

Er excuse me but i think you are way out of order in your accusations

Haaahahahahahahaaahaa*snort*ahaha*cough*

just because i said i used certain tactics, doesn't mean i exploit the game physics, so stop the direct attacks when you don't even know me or my style of play.

Direct attacks? I didn't even allude to the idea of you bunnyhopping or offset shooting - I was making a point that Jump-sniping was cheap, unsportsmanlike and cowardly behaviour, not that you are 'teh haXx0r omfg'

In fact jump sniping was not the only tactic i would employ, blah blah blah etc

I didn't call any of those tactics into question, or state that you -only- jump-sniped


All tactics where viable depending on the situation.

"Viable" now, huh? Sure, all tactics have a certain effectiveness and are useful in certain situations, we've been over this...

If you don't want to use that tactic then don't use it

Classic defence of the dishonourable. "If you don't want to play by my rules, don't play at all". Other people are there to have fun too you know, not to be targets for an over-complex game of 'whack-a-mech'


but don't accuse others of cheating or being whiny losers when you don't even know that person.

See first note

 I was always willing to face anyone in a fair fight.

Except, obviously, while you were jump-sniping.



In a more related note, if we're talking about what mechs we're looking forward to in MWLL.... My favourite has already been added, the Bushwacker :D - looks great, not too heavy, not too light, well-armed too. And with MWLL's system, yet more possibilities for combinations of armament arise :3
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on December 17, 2009, 09:25:19 PM
Yeah sorry I really doubt you will get any sympathy for hoping for jumpsniping. Besides, the devs pretty much said it will not be a "viable" tactic anymore. Now it should be obsolete as, to my understanding, all your weapons are not uber-super-flawless-accurate. And also, I heard somewhere that the JJs do not turn your mech into a hot air balloon anymore, you actually fly and fall, fast. Lastly, with the combined arms gametype that MWLL is it will be even less effective. I'm looking forward to brawls having mid air shots as a short range tactic, but long range jumpshots will hopefully be nothing more than potshots.

Back on topic, I think the current BA is fine. I don't know why but having multiples seems to overcomplicate things for me. It seems like it will take away from the standard Elemental and Longinous if there are superior armours out there. Also since the BA is considered the standard player unit to start with, i like the idea of it being pretty simple without various models and such.

As for mechs, I want my Hellbringer! Highlander would be epic too but I think I've already said it in my second post in this thread.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: candun on December 17, 2009, 09:28:40 PM
what mech do i want to see in LL the most?? any with ME in it!!!!!! LOL
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on December 17, 2009, 09:48:21 PM
what mech do i want to see in LL the most?? any with ME in it!!!!!! LOL

QFT

At the end of the day

I just want to be in a mech 8D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: bleedis on January 04, 2010, 09:25:34 PM
I wan the Fefnir in MWLL. Because the Mech is Heavy Weight tipe of robot.
And in the description is said, that he could handle in any battle.
So here he is.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SoylentGreen on January 04, 2010, 11:30:05 PM
Hollander Mk II. The only medium mech I enjoyed fighting in:

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Hangman on January 05, 2010, 03:51:02 AM
hmmm
Dude, that Mech is already ingame.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: mechromancer on January 05, 2010, 04:59:34 AM
Lets get the Thor finished up:

(http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediapool/mwll/cl_thor.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: VictorMorson on January 05, 2010, 09:25:13 AM
The Wolfhound I think would be an excellent addition to the game. 

The case for it:  The IS lights currently in the game all overlap in what kind of "role" that they fill; the Raven is a recon mech, but so is the Owens.  The Commando is a good anti-infantry mech, but there's few well-armored "front line" lights in the roster, and I think that the Wolfhound would fit that bill.  Other options for a similar "front line" light mech would include the Panther and Osiris (which favors firepower over armor.)  I could also make a case for the Panther in this role because as of now, not a single IS light mech is jump capable, which I think is pretty unfortunate.

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/5/5f/Wolfhound.jpg/191px-Wolfhound.jpg)

Next I think the Orion would be an excellent addition to the IS Heavy category:

The case for it:  The Orion is horribly under-represented in MechWarrior games.  One of the most common mechs in the BTU, in particular among the FWL, the Orion has a notable history (even being Kerensky's command mech) and was at one point considered an assault.  It's a "multi-role" fighter, with ballistic, energy and missile - again, something that the other IS heavies present and to exist lack; only the Warhammer can claim this, but it's ballistics and missile capabilities are minor at best. 

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/intshots/orionelescoventry.jpg)

Next up, the Stalker - one of my personal favorite assault mechs.

The case for it:  Again, the Stalker fills a role that the other assaults do not.  While some Mauler configurations that have been added to LL overlap into Stalker territory, in reality it is focused on being a long-and-close range gunboat, carrying a split compliment of weapons for both ranges; Large Lasers to act as the "go-between."  Carrying a lot of Long and Close missiles - something almost all the current assaults lack - and having a fairly compact profile that makes it noticeably different on the battlefield, I think the Stalker would be an excellent addition.

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/stalker0.gif)

Last but not least:  The Firemoth. 

The case for it:I realize the Clan already has a matching number of light mechs at present and while they have the Uller for recon, the Cougar for mobility and firepower and Adder for a front line fighter, they are lacking one thing:  The extremely fast harasser mech. 

The Firemoth is the one mech that can not only keep up with hovercraft, but outrun them, while carrying - in many configurations - surprisingly effective firepower, such as an array of ER Small lasers.  Lightly armored it's real role is to move extremely quickly and backstab any target it gets an opportunity too.  By comparison, all of the Clan light mechs currently available in the game are extremely slow; they simply have nothing that fills this role.

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/firemoth0.gif)

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Kommando on January 05, 2010, 12:25:28 PM
Cyclops.

KIM-2 Komodo

MAD Marauder

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on January 05, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
I'd also love Fefnir. It had amazing looks and the double HGauss were deadly  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on January 05, 2010, 04:51:55 PM
I still want to see melee combat in...

Due to the fact that I am not getting raped anymore while trying to drive through trees as a tank you guys can obviously change collision damage with specific objects.

Arm swinging animation for mechs that carry a melee weapon + specific collision damage of the melee weapon itself raised depending on weight of mech = Happy

Although it is probably much more complicated than that...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: GB-72AT Talon on January 05, 2010, 06:56:48 PM
daishi, bushwacker, stone rhino
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Brotolemaeus on January 05, 2010, 07:17:55 PM
The Legionnaire would be another fun Medium mech to have laying around. And, to represent the quad mechs, how about a Scorpion?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KH=Dimachaerus on January 05, 2010, 11:37:40 PM
Wolverine, Battlemaster, Hatchetman (supportin the melee combat yo!)

Would also dearly love a shadow-hawk.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CastOutDevil on January 06, 2010, 04:57:21 AM
Thunderbolt
Caesar
Battlemaster
Behemoth
Black Knight
Mercury

I'm picking the mechs that I like from an aesthetic appearance, not necessarily on their weapon strengths.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LoKiPP on January 06, 2010, 05:05:02 AM
I would like a loki in game  8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: VictorMorson on January 06, 2010, 06:13:24 AM
Wolverine, Battlemaster, Hatchetman (supportin the melee combat yo!)

Would also dearly love a shadow-hawk.

Do you just love really, really awful mechs?  The Battlemaster and Hatchetman are passible bu the Wolverine is terrible and the Shadow Hawk is.. really, REALLY terrible.

I mean, I'd love for every canon mech in the game to be put in, but just curious if you are seriously drawn to the underdogs?  I mean as far as that goes, I'd love an Urbanmech in the game (The RAC5 version would be a great starting mech) but.. really?  A Shadow Hawk?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Grawr on January 06, 2010, 06:38:48 AM
Adding to the Hellhound vote. It's a beautiful design, nice silhouette as far as combat goes, and it's even more of a joyride than a Cougar. I'd like it to use my usual MW4 loadout- A CLBX10 on each arm, with a Strike SRM6 on one shoulder and two ER Medium Lasers on the other- but that's probably a little OP for a 'mech as viciously nimble as the Hellhound.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SoylentGreen on January 06, 2010, 08:49:37 AM
RE: Hollander II

hmmm
Dude, that Mech is already ingame.

it is??? You just made my day :)

I'm still waiting for the mod to download, my neolithic ISP capped my bandwidth until the 10th, and it's coming down the interweb pipes at 6-7k/s :(

See you online, I'll be the n00b in the Hollander II getting ganked by BA's by the sound of things. I used to play the mektek MW4 'Sunder' mission server a lot a while back, wasn't very good on that either, but had lots of fun being crap!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Luciferl on January 06, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
The most I wanna see Novacat... loved it in Vengeance <3333
Second most I wanna see Daishi.. I loved it's firepower ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aenir on January 07, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
I'd also love Fefnir. It had amazing looks and the double HGauss were deadly  ;D
Fafnir*
also, Daishi.

daishi, bushwacker, stone rhino
Bushwacker is already in.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: PhelanPKell on January 07, 2010, 05:27:22 AM
The wolfhound. Especially if they can paint it like my namesakes version, Grinner,  with the sharp-toothed grin and all.
And they have to include the clan variant he owned Vlad in. :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: FinalStar on January 07, 2010, 05:47:16 AM
You know what Mech I miss is the Sunder or even better THE THOR!!!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Daishi 1 on January 07, 2010, 05:50:31 AM
As has been previously said; Dire Wolf.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Doctor Baron on January 07, 2010, 07:47:28 AM
ADD THE GRIZZLY! SRSLY
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on January 07, 2010, 02:46:51 PM
Battlemaster and Marauder are two of my classic favorites from 3025, for 3050 era clan I'd have to go with the Nova and Stormcrow
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Beanb on January 07, 2010, 05:19:06 PM
Wolverine for me.  The old Wolverine 6M was my favorite medium mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SquareSphere on January 07, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
Urbie Mech! with supporting urban map of course ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Beanb on January 07, 2010, 07:35:49 PM
Forgot -

And the Banshee (3S variant only), that thing was a beast of an assault mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HydroSqueegee on January 08, 2010, 02:26:58 AM
Charger!



.... baaaaaahahahahahaha!


but really.  Griffin or Hunchback.

mmmmm... hunchie
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Hylky on January 08, 2010, 02:32:41 AM
Marauder, Rifleman, Warhammer and my fav: Uziel :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on January 08, 2010, 05:49:47 AM
I second that need my Clan tech Diashi "Death blossom for the win"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: starmind on January 08, 2010, 10:42:41 AM
I was looking for the name of one mech i meet in mechwarrior III i beleive, you have an house of XXX and you have something like a duel with a very heavy and slow mech, after looking at the Daishi picture i beleive it was the same one, very hard to fight with good armor (100t), really loved to pilot this one, multi purpose mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Hylky on January 08, 2010, 04:17:48 PM
and allmost forgot.. Ares the 3 leg mech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWQKQHmzQyQ

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n216/nasty96/AresAtlasComp.jpg
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Profane Arbiter on January 08, 2010, 04:52:44 PM
Loki, Thor, Storm Crow, Daishi, Sunder, Uziel, Thanatos, Chimera, Argus.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on January 15, 2010, 12:35:59 PM
(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/battlemaster.gif)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gunhead on January 15, 2010, 08:45:58 PM
For Inner Sphere: one of the more potent medium class 'mechs like Griffin, Uziel or Centurion.
For Clans: since the Summoner/Thor apparently is already in the pipeline i'd have to call my second all time fav the Cauldron-Born.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ConChoona on January 15, 2010, 09:06:58 PM
Thunderbolt please!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: snooggums on January 15, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
Victor!

Also nice to see:
Rifleman
Dervish
Hunchback (original)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Valkyrie Vewas on January 17, 2010, 06:47:21 PM
Alt. Config. A - The Mad Dog A can bring devastating fire on targets at any range, mounting an ER PPC and an LB 5-X AC, with which it can easily cripple enemies from long range. Should it get close enough, its six SRM-6 racks ensure the demise of nearly any foe. BV (1.0) = 1,462 BV (2.0) = 1,923

HEHE 6 ssrm6 = death
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on January 17, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
I wanna the one on right  ;D
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n216/nasty96/AresAtlasComp.jpg)

3 Legs and awesome look!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Raptor Khatib on January 17, 2010, 09:58:17 PM
Maurader IIC
Nova (BlackHawk)
Night Gyr
Executioner(Gladiator)
Warhammer IIC
Supernova

and the one's I want is already in the works Novacat and Blood Asp
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on January 18, 2010, 02:20:56 AM
I wanna the one on right  ;D
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n216/nasty96/AresAtlasComp.jpg)

3 Legs and awesome look!

The Dark Age is widely considered the "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace" of Battletech.

In other words, for the good of their own mental health most fans of the Battletech universe don't consider anything that happened in that era canon, and when confronted with it either fill with the burning rage of a thousand suns at the massive load of nonsense that happened, or block it out entirely as one might block out nightmares or a traumatic childhood.

Short answer: No, the Ares is gay.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Saber15 on January 18, 2010, 08:47:32 PM
How about a tank?  ;)

Von Luckner- 75 ton fusion powered tank, with a AC/20, SRM4 and SRM6, LRM10, Machine gun, and Flamer, with a top speed of 54 kph.
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/c/c7/Von_Luckner.jpg)

Mech:
Beserker, a 100 ton melee mech, with a Hatchet, Flamer, ER PPC, and 2x LPLs
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Arch Dreary on January 18, 2010, 09:50:30 PM
SCAT already there. So my next most wanted would be the thanatos.
(http://mechlivinglegends.net/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IS_Thanatos.jpg)
This mech's design makes it easy to spread damage all over your mech. Which means you can last longer on the battlefield. Newbie Mechwarriors will love this mech. If they can grasp the tactic of spreading damage. Not to mention the jump jets will help to get over those pesky map objects that can get in there way. The Thanatos has always been great in a brawl. 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rampage on January 18, 2010, 10:03:18 PM
Uziel
Uziel
Uziel
Uziel
and did I mention Uziel?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Arch Dreary on January 18, 2010, 10:08:57 PM
Oh the Uziel. The arch nemesis of the SCAT. I will rip your PPC's off and feed you to my team.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on January 18, 2010, 10:27:56 PM
The Dark Age is widely considered the "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace" of Battletech.

In other words, for the good of their own mental health most fans of the Battletech universe don't consider anything that happened in that era canon, and when confronted with it either fill with the burning rage of a thousand suns at the massive load of nonsense that happened, or block it out entirely as one might block out nightmares or a traumatic childhood.

Short answer: No, the Ares is gay.
Hahahaha :D ok, sorry, had no idea.
--------------------------------------------------------------
I nearly forgot about one of my favs!
Stone Rhino (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stone_Rhino_%28Behemoth%29) (picture uploaded)
(http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1758.0;attach=7776;image)

Also Daishi (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dire_Wolf_%28Daishi%29) would be very neat - still have bad dreams after few encounter with it in MW4 ;)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/1/1d/Prometheus10thLyranGuards.jpg/180px-Prometheus10thLyranGuards.jpg)

And might be FireFalcon (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon) as an running gunship ;)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/9/90/Firefalcon.jpg/191px-Firefalcon.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: stealthed on January 18, 2010, 10:48:01 PM
Kodiak.
Fafnir.
Warhawk.



Yes i'm an assault addict  ;D

Oh and some four-leg ones would be fun too btw (Goliath comes to mind). Maybe a lowend replacement for tanks in certain maps?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: xInVicTuSx on January 18, 2010, 10:56:08 PM
I really enjoyed using the Orion in MW3. Anyone else remember trying to pulse laser that one in the toe on the (fourth?) level praying for a salvage?  :D
I tend to like older models for some reason...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Uranium - 235 on January 18, 2010, 11:44:47 PM
Fire Falcon only if it comes with its sister, the Black Lanner :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Siege on January 19, 2010, 08:14:28 AM
(Goliath comes to mind). Maybe a lowend replacement for tanks in certain maps?

The BV (battlevalue) and cost on the Goliath is very easily double the value for the units you'd replace it with, even the Huit, and yet has nowhere near the firepower nor armor when compared to a vehicle of similar weight and cost. Unless you were running up against a materials science limit when trying to exceed a certain weight that caused the best biped you could make to collapse, there'd be no reason for the extra legs. Even if there were the reason, there's no point unless it weighs at least 150+ tons and still carries more armor and weaponry than an Atlas or Daishi does. Even then it's a bigger target with even more legs to hit and cripple, so those legs need to be packing more armor than usual...

It just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Like above, unless you're trying to exceed a maximum weight imposed by material restrictions. I suppose you could take the legs from a pair of, say, Maulers, slap an Atlas engine on top of each, and then build an armored shell around the top with the armor and weapons value of a pair of Mad Cats... but still, regardless of how heavily armored the top is, the legs can get shot out from underneath it just as fast as a mech with a considerably lower cost and corresponding battle value.

Regardless of which way you pack the armor on - top, bottom, or evenly - you wind up with an underpowered weapons platform with no real purpose unless some mega-weapon - that in and of itself weighs, say, 70 tons or more - is invented that really necessitates it.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: asdfasdf on January 19, 2010, 08:51:26 AM
I really enjoyed using the Orion in MW3. Anyone else remember trying to pulse laser that one in the toe on the (fourth?) level praying for a salvage?  :D
I tend to like older models for some reason...

Haha,yea good times :).

What i want to see?
Hmm..

Supernova, Fafnir and Daishi.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MatthewPryde on January 19, 2010, 09:36:58 AM
I see a ton of high BV, very high cost equipment requested. I for one would like to see LOTS of light and medium mechs implemented first, to give variability to what we will encounter 90% of the time. For starters I would like to see the Clan/IS equivalents of each other presented. Like, I feel dirty piloting an owens when I should be in a baboon or jenner for a small fire support mech. Another thing that might be neat is to have a capturable Lostech facility that produces Star Leauge mechs like the crab.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Iceman90gsx on January 19, 2010, 11:42:05 AM
(http://sarna.net/wiki/images/2/29/Hunchbackiic.jpg)

Hunchback IIC
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dagger on January 19, 2010, 11:59:30 AM
- Marauder (already in the works)
- Daishi
- Rifleman IIC (the version with the ACs)
- Firemoth
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bucser on January 19, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
Wolfhound, Centurion (so everyone can play Kai Allard-Liao on solaris :D), Hunchback,

Marauder, Jenner
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KayTannee on January 19, 2010, 08:09:44 PM
Would love to see the Rhino I think it was called, was in Ghost Bears legacy. A monstrosity of a meaty mech. Didn't use it much back in the day. But looked amazing.

Edit : Just noticed some one posted it on front page. Stone Rhino. Oooh it looks like a sexy beast.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dagger6T6 on January 19, 2010, 08:30:17 PM
(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3025/Wolverine%203025.jpg)
Wolverine

(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3025/Atlas%203025.jpg)
an Atlas with the proper "Death's Head", no disrespect to the devs and I admire the creative liscense they took with the model but it's like a 100ton fishbowl or one of those deep sea divers. It's not envoking fear, it's encourageing BA to jump up there and tap on the glass. LOL either way I'm just poking fun, so don't take offense.

(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3025/Archer%203025.jpg)
Archer

(http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/orion.jpg)
Orion

(http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/colossus.jpg)
Colossus... I just LOVE the look of this one even though it is an Solaris VII Arena mech

(http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/3025%20UrbanMech1.jpg)
and the most fearsome Mech of all... I dare not even speak its name *shudder*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Knight_Phoenix on January 19, 2010, 08:38:21 PM
Daishi
Annihilator
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Wolf on January 19, 2010, 09:42:10 PM
Blood Asp, Archer, Wolfhound, Victor.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MatthewPryde on January 19, 2010, 10:24:00 PM
OMG.... it has appeared, the very last mech in Dagger's post. The single, most powerful mech in existance, the Clans tell tales of its impecable prowess, and its legendary pilot... R2-D2. Some say it is just legend, others, swear it has decimated their entire unit. They call it... The Urbie *Lightning crack*

Do want. Both IIC and IS versions. That way we have a starter mech that we can buy on the cheap.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on January 20, 2010, 12:03:27 AM
Oh God...

Guessing based on Battletech costs, the Urbie would probably be around 12K C-Bills in MWLL, AFTER it gets its equipment-adjusted price.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dalmp on January 20, 2010, 09:57:17 AM
I'd like to see a WASP or maybe Pheonix hawk, Archer, Locust, Panther, Marauder, Shadowhawk, Crusader.  And Battlemaster and Cyclops.  Actually Cyclops could be very cool - an AS mech with C3. 

On the clan side, probably the Thor, and Daishi/Dire Wolf. 

ASF, I miss the sparrowhawk and Stuka.  Those would be awesome.

I prefer the 3025 stuff obv..  Mainly because a lot of it hasn't been seen in decades.  Is MWLL worried about that intellectual property scuffle, or is it largely free from that restriction?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MatthewPryde on January 20, 2010, 10:08:03 AM
I think it would be safe to stay as far from the unseens as possible at the moment, despite my major love of them.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DFDelta on January 20, 2010, 05:43:08 PM
Mechs I'd like to have:
Daishi
Marauder
Centurion
King Crab
Rifleman
Raijin
Urb... *cough* I meant to say Uziel  ::)

Oh and how about some Mackies xD


I'll mention some Tanks here, too:
Bulldog
Challenger X, 90 tons pure ownage
Von Luckner
Kanga?  ;D  (You know, the ugly jumpy tank thingy)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Profane Arbiter on January 21, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
Has the Avatar been mentioned? It's one of my favorite chassis!

Firemoth should be in there too...would love to cruise around at over 160 kph!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dalmp on January 21, 2010, 03:20:46 AM
Urb... *cough* I meant to say Uziel  ::)

 ;D 
I actually liked the developer idea of implementing the Urbanmech model...
...and having it litter the battlefield as a prop you can walk on and crush...   :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MatthewPryde on January 21, 2010, 04:41:25 AM
Urb... *cough* I meant to say Uziel  ::)

 ;D 
I actually liked the developer idea of implementing the Urbanmech model...
...and having it litter the battlefield as a prop you can walk on and crush...   :D
Or have like 5 of them take down an atlas, how awesome would that be... an urbie army.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on January 21, 2010, 09:59:18 AM
A couple weeks ago my brother and I were playing MegaMek and it was a 6000 BV game so I decided to take 12 of the original flavor Urbies in a large map to see how I would do.

Long story short: About 1/3rd were blown apart on the way to his units, several fell down by trying to jump into a hex with heavy woods and couldn't get back up due to the fact that it doesn't have arms and I have no luck, a few of them had the AC20 spontaneously explode because I can't resist the Rapid Fire mode and have no luck, and the remainder got in close and tore his Mechs (including an Atlas) and tanks a new collective ass.

To truly appreciate this though you have to know that I have the rules set up so you cannot see enemy units that you do not have LoS to and you cannot see what your opponent is taking before the match, so that amazing moment when the match went from him trying to find me to jumping on top of the map's central hill to get a good look at the battlefield and seeing the army of Urbies come into LoS was just glorious.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MatthewPryde on January 21, 2010, 10:09:04 AM
It makes sense, urbies have a low profile, they hide well, and they are meant for fast turns and maneuvering tight corridors. They are made as a city fighter for police, so it would make sense they would have the advantage in this situation.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on January 21, 2010, 10:33:24 AM
It wasn't a close quarters fight though. Well... It ended up being one because for every Urbie he destroyed another took its place and I slowly moved up and surrounded him but generally the map was a snipers dream. It was a huge map of forest with one big hill in the middle and the second he got on top of that hill and the sea of Urbies came into view...

It was just an "Oh Shi-" moment at its best.

It was magnificent.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DFDelta on January 21, 2010, 10:48:12 AM
It makes sense, urbies have a low profile, they hide well, and they are meant for fast turns and maneuvering tight corridors. They are made as a city fighter for police, so it would make sense they would have the advantage in this situation.

There is one thing I've always wondered about...
If the Urbie is really designed to be a police Mech as I have read many times before... what kind of police needs a 120mm cal. cannon  :o (AC20)


But yeah, the Urbanmech could be cool in the right enviroment. Having a AC20 so early in the game could really blow some holes in the other players lights. The only problem would be getting close enough to use it  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on January 21, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
I stress the word "if" cause we've no idea as to what the future holds, or what may come from ideas, however, a lot of players have said that some `Mechs would do well in this game, and I agree. So without further adieu:

Inner Sphere:
Sagittaire - Pulse lasers and PPC say it all
Templar - a pure modular BattleMech if there was one
Wasp - Project Phoenix only
Stinger - Project Phoenix only
Locust - Project Phoenix only
Marauder II - Project Phoenix Only
Shadow Hawk - Project Phoenix only
Wolverine - Project Phoenix only
BattleMaster - Project Phoenix only
Archer - Project Phoenix only
Rifleman - Project Phoenix only

Clan :
Cauldron Born
Loki/Hellbringer
Hellion
Daishi/Dire Wolf - this one has been thrown out as the most popular, namely Widowmaker, the variant belonging to Natasha Kerensky; Prometheus, Victor Ian Steiner-Davion
Gladiator/Executioner
Solitaire
Canis
Savage Coyote
Rabid Coyote
Hellfire
Bowman

 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MrBRAD! on January 22, 2010, 02:55:14 AM
If the Loki/Hellbringer and Thor/Summoner are going in, the Sunder should be thrown in as well.
I love that beach-ball on legs  :-*

Also, I think it shares some model parts with them. Or at least major similarities, so I guess it would be 1/3rd less modelling to do. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AlphaOmega11111 on January 22, 2010, 07:47:45 AM
I like your list ThunderHawk and could add to it but I have another point to make. How about more tanks and hovers too, I like to be a treadhead from time to time but I get bored with the selection. Tank roles are so fixed so its only natural to have many different types. Oh yea and more mechs  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on January 23, 2010, 04:50:35 AM
Forgot about those. Thanks, AlphaOmega.

Inner Sphere:

Bulldog Medium Tank
Behemoth Mobile Battle Tank
Heavy LRM Carrier
Musketeer Hover Tank
Manteuffel Attack Tank
Ajax Assault Tank
Regulator Hovertank
Vedette Medium Tank

Clans:
Epona Pursuit Tank
Asshur Artillery Spotter
Hachiman Fire Support Tank
Mars Assault Vehicle
Enyo Strike Tank
Shoden Assault Vehicle
Hephaestus Scout Tank
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CW]Outlaw on January 23, 2010, 07:57:20 AM
IS
(Fast Assault Mech) Banshee 5S- Gauss, 2 ERPPCs, SRM 6, 4 MLs and 2 SL
Ostsol 6D- 2 ERLL, 2 ERML, 2MPL, 2 SPL
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Highlander on January 23, 2010, 10:44:04 AM
I stress the word "if" cause we've no idea as to what the future holds, or what may come from ideas, however, a lot of players have said that some `Mechs would do well in this game, and I agree. So without further adieu:

I'm pretty sure the factions page pretty much sums up the 'mech list they have planned to implement.
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/45/70/

And we already have an extensive topic on mech suggestions.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CW]Outlaw on January 24, 2010, 01:54:06 AM
i know, im just dreaming. Havent seen a Banshee in any of the games except for the OLD ones.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on January 24, 2010, 02:13:15 AM
True, but there's no harm in that. However, I will say my peace and let the subject die where it stands.

There are two 'Mechs I'd like to see the most besides the Daishi (which will be added sometime after the initial release):

Warhammer IIC
Marauder IIC

Enough said. There my peace I have given on this subject.

Hawk819
First Federated Suns Armored Cavalry
Sergeant Major
Striker Lance
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AlphaOmega11111 on January 24, 2010, 06:05:53 PM
I stress the word "if" cause we've no idea as to what the future holds, or what may come from ideas, however, a lot of players have said that some `Mechs would do well in this game, and I agree. So without further adieu:

I'm pretty sure the factions page pretty much sums up the 'mech list they have planned to implement.
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/content/view/45/70/

And we already have an extensive topic on mech suggestions.

Awsome!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: LeadSponge on January 24, 2010, 11:15:51 PM
Wasp - Project Phoenix only
Stinger - Project Phoenix only
Locust - Project Phoenix only
Marauder II - Project Phoenix Only
Shadow Hawk - Project Phoenix only
Wolverine - Project Phoenix only
BattleMaster - Project Phoenix only
Archer - Project Phoenix only
Rifleman - Project Phoenix only

I would agree with you but I would argue for the 3025 visual style, before Harmony Gold brought suit against FASA. I personally can't stand the Project Phoenix art style.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AlfalphaCat on February 10, 2010, 06:02:34 AM
No one ever mentions the Pirhana, A fast light mech with 8 or 12 MGs, i think that would be fun.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on February 10, 2010, 08:16:02 PM
oh please give me the marauder...
it's just to cool.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Saber15 on February 10, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
IS:
Von Luckner (tank)
Chevalier (wheeled tank)
Behemoth (100 ton tank)
Wheeled/Hover/Tracked APC
Mobile HQ
Cattlemaster (25 ton utility mech)
Urbanmech (30 ton trashcan)
Nightsky (50 ton melee mech)
Akuma (90 ton Atlas clone)
Beserker (100 ton melee mech)

Clans:
Mars (100 ton tank)
Summoner (70 ton mech)

I'm more for variety, hence the tanks and melee mechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sofa_Kinng on February 10, 2010, 08:39:30 PM
I was just browsing through the game info, and I was noticing an evident lack of theme to the mech choices for the game. For instance, the inclusion of both the Marauder and Fafnir, mechs that would never see each other on the battlefield. I read in an interview or a FAQ somewhere that they were not choosing a specific time-line for the game, instead just focusing it into "sometime after the clan invasions" as would be obvious by the clan faction.

Thinking about it, I believe the only reason the Marauder was ever taken out was because of the legal issues regarding it and Harmony Gold(Speaking of which, how does Wandering Samurai plan to get past that o.O)

At any rate, I figure this is a nice discussion topic ;)

P.S: Please no flaming, I was very serious when I started this thread, and I would like to keep that way :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 10, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
The only option that I can foresee is adding the Project Phoenix version. which eharmony gold can't say is theirs due to the fact that FanPro and Catalyst Games own the license. Lock stock and two freaking barrels.

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Cujo on February 10, 2010, 11:25:37 PM
Due to the fact that this is a non-commercial game, I THINK they can use all the original marauder, warhammer, and such stuff, isn't the warhammer in game the unseen version?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Salvatoris on February 10, 2010, 11:34:16 PM
Yes, that is the unseen version of the Warhammer.

Why would a Marauder and a Fafnir never see each other in battle?  Even all the way up in to the dark age fiction, there are still examples of pretty much every mech ever designed in active duty.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 10, 2010, 11:36:08 PM
Yes, the Warhammer, the one we all know and love, is indeed in the game.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Eldragon on February 10, 2010, 11:36:47 PM
It was my understanding (Devs, step in and correct me if I am wrong) the mechs/vehicles found in the factions page not appearing in the current beta will arrive some time in the future. We know the models exist for a lot of them, so its just a waiting game. Personally I can't wait for the Uziel.

The Warhammer appearing in this game is different enough to dodge Harmony Gold wrath. Which is a good idea. the Developers may have permission for Battletech content, but they do not for the Unseen. Last thing we want is MWLL to go away because someone made a mech that looks too much like an Unseen.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 11, 2010, 01:54:35 AM
And now an amazingly unpopular opinion:

The Marauder and Marauder II need to get the fapp out of mechwarrior and go back to whatever shitty weeaboo anime they fell out of. Of all the ugly gundam-esque mechs people hate, they all seem to love the most ridiculous looking one of them all. What the hell?

Love, me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 11, 2010, 02:11:58 AM
oh please give me the marauder...
it's just to cool.
Seriously.

A giant, stupid gun perched on the ass-end of the mech that looks completely ridiculous and has absolutely no practical explanation in even METAphysics.

Marauder = anime = get out of mechwarrior :p
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on February 11, 2010, 02:23:18 AM
Seriously.

giant, stupid ears perched on the sides of the mech that looks completely ridiculous and has absolutely no practical explanation in even METAphysics.

Mad Cat = anime = get out of mechwarrior :p


I can do more if you'd like.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 11, 2010, 02:49:35 AM
Please, do what you must to justify the most idiotic looking double-standard Battletech fans have.

Might as well call this 'awesome Battletech style' too. The Marauder wouldn't be nearly as bad if it didn't have that moronic gun perched precariously on top, or if it had some sort of assembly it mounted in to. You could at least then pass it off as a Timberwolf/Catapult-style chassis with really ridiculous looking arms that are impractically long.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sofa_Kinng on February 11, 2010, 02:49:41 AM
I personally love the Marauder, but it had to go whenever Harmony Gold put the pressure on them about it. Now the Wasp and Phoenix Hawk, I'm glad they got rid of. In fact, any mech with hands is pretty much stupid in my opinion. Why would I want to bring an axe or a sword into a mech fight anyways?

The reason I said a Marauder and a Fafnir would never see each other was my referring to the original Marauder concept. It went out of date and decommissioned sometime during the Succession Wars. I know that there were several variants that kept popping up everywhere, but assembly line makes of the Marauder simply stopped existing by that time.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 11, 2010, 03:26:05 AM
I personally love the Marauder, but it had to go whenever Harmony Gold put the pressure on them about it. Now the Wasp and Phoenix Hawk, I'm glad they got rid of. In fact, any mech with hands is pretty much stupid in my opinion. Why would I want to bring an axe or a sword into a mech fight anyways?

The reason I said a Marauder and a Fafnir would never see each other was my referring to the original Marauder concept. It went out of date and decommissioned sometime during the Succession Wars. I know that there were several variants that kept popping up everywhere, but assembly line makes of the Marauder simply stopped existing by that time.

Why? They don't look so ugly to me. . . the original, yea, but the Phoenix Project versions are way better than the originals. Especially the Marauder II. . .

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 11, 2010, 03:28:08 AM
Actually, I apologize. I photoshopped up a few other mechs in the Marauder style, and I believe that it's actually pretty good looking. I think it fits great with everything else in Battletech.

(http://imgur.com/YE3jP.jpg)(http://imgur.com/8KpVd.jpg)(http://imgur.com/Kx1Xj.jpg)(http://imgur.com/lXxkT.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 11, 2010, 03:33:17 AM
Curved lines rarely look good on mechs, and that is no exception.

The one Thunderhawk linked isn't bad. I'd ditch the silly shoulder wings, but aside from that it's more of a better Hollander. Still too many curved lines though.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Salvatoris on February 11, 2010, 05:43:06 AM
Curved lines rarely look good on mechs, and that is no exception.

The one Thunderhawk linked isn't bad. I'd ditch the silly shoulder wings, but aside from that it's more of a better Hollander. Still too many curved lines though.

I can't agree there... Madcat, Daishi, Uziel...  some of my favorites are curvy.   I have the dark age marauder II sitting on my desk, and it differs from the TRO drawings in that it is all straight lines.  It doesn't look nearly as good as the artwork for it, but that is true about almost all of the dark age minis. ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 11, 2010, 06:43:03 AM
Ahhh. . . Dark Age, how I miss that game.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: kardar233 on February 11, 2010, 06:58:33 AM
This is my one burning question:

Will it have the Stone Rhino?

That 'Mech has been my great love since I ever saw it, and it's a shame that it's only been in GBL, which I can't get to work.  >:(

Is there a 'Mech list that has been posted? There are several 'Mechs I'd really like to know are in the game or are planned, and I'd like to check.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SquareSphere on February 11, 2010, 07:09:37 AM
some of the assets plan can be found here
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/factions/

the links are broken though :(

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on February 11, 2010, 07:45:45 AM
<off topic>
Actually, I apologize. I photoshopped up a few other mechs in the Marauder style, and I believe that it's actually pretty good looking. I think it fits great with everything else in Battletech.
...
Someone happens to dislike marauder? Is it personal? Marauder did something to you, when you was a child? Or is it just because of BIG, LONG, POINTY GUN on it's top?;D

Marauder = anime = get out of mechwarrior :p
Mad Cat = anime = get out of mechwarrior :p
You two saying "anime" as if it's something bad . ;)
</off topic>

So, mech suggestions. Maybe some light/medium humanoid-shaped mechs, like Centurion or Grizzly... Orion would be good addition to heavy mechs. Avatar is another mech I'd like to see. And, of course, mighty Annihilator!
Some rare/experimental mechs, like Stone rhino, would be nice too. Haven't seen it since MW2 GBL.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AoP on February 11, 2010, 09:26:05 AM
It was my understanding (Devs, step in and correct me if I am wrong) the mechs/vehicles found in the factions page not appearing in the current beta will arrive some time in the future.

Yes, that's correct. The Mechs and vehicles on each faction's info page are the ones that can be considered confirmed to appear in the game at some point.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 10:52:54 AM
And now an amazingly unpopular opinion:

The Marauder and Marauder II need to get the fapp out of mechwarrior and go back to whatever shitty weeaboo anime they fell out of. Of all the ugly gundam-esque mechs people hate, they all seem to love the most ridiculous looking one of them all. What the hell?

Love, me.

Yes.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TrueZarken on February 11, 2010, 01:40:03 PM
Don't know if anyone else has said this but...Axman http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Axman (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Axman)?

The Idea of a Massive Axe and Jump Jets appeal to me =P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 11, 2010, 01:49:13 PM
Someone happens to dislike marauder? Is it personal? Marauder did something to you, when you was a child? Or is it just because of BIG, LONG, POINTY GUN on it's top?;D

(http://www.lanceradvanced.com/Models/Images/Marauder.jpg)

Actually it's because I don't like how the gun pods on the arms are shaped. It's seriously driving me nuts. The big long pointy third arm on top? What makes you think that's annoying me? WHERE DO YOU GET THESE IDEAS?!

Seriously though, I can get behind some of the alternative Marauders that exist, but the 'real' Marauder is just way too alien looking. Too many curvy lines, the silly looking artillery cannon... 'thing'... arms look like they're ready to snap off. I mean, seriously, look at that goofy giant gun mounted to an itty-bitty pivot.

Don't know if anyone else has said this but...Axman http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Axman (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Axman)?

The Idea of a Massive Axe and Jump Jets appeal to me =P
The pic on that page just cracks me up.

But they said no Axeman. Or any melee mechs like him for that matter.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: TrueZarken on February 11, 2010, 01:51:36 PM
Bugger...What a shame.

Oh well moving on =P *goes hunting for other mechs*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on February 11, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
And now an amazingly unpopular opinion:

The Marauder and Marauder II need to get the fapp out of mechwarrior and go back to whatever shitty weeaboo anime they fell out of. Of all the ugly gundam-esque mechs people hate, they all seem to love the most ridiculous looking one of them all. What the hell?

Love, me.
No.

But please, continue. You amuse me. 8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 03:08:17 PM
I'm going to have to agree wholeheartedly with Temphage on this one. The phrase "Weeaboo Gundam Wannabe" comes to mind when that damned heretical Marauder is mentioned.

Doesn't help that so many BT fans are apparently Wapanese themselves >:I
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 03:10:43 PM
No.

But please, continue. You amuse me. 8)

Nono, I think you misunderstand. Like so:

Yes.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on February 11, 2010, 03:16:02 PM
Nono, I think you misunderstand. Like so:

Yes.
ORLY? ;D

Now you amuse me too. 8)


 

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
ORLY? ;D

Now you amuse me too. 8)

YARLY!

Now, repeat after me:

"The Marauder is a travesty"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on February 11, 2010, 03:50:30 PM
In Before Lock.

I'd argue that some of the designs that were initially brought into the canon from Japan seem kind of different from the norm or the newer models. But considering the significance of the Marauder which was piloted by Grayson Death Carlyle amongst others it should be in here. And although I think the canon wouldn't need most chassis that were transfered from Harmony Gold it's the canons history and thus belongs into the games no matter if one does like them or not. My personal opinion would be that the Fafnir should be let out and others should be introduced (like the Annihilator as a replacement for the Fafnir) but then again, can a Mechwarrior have to much Mechs (with the only downside on making the balancing more difficult); still I guess there will be more mechs coming over the time and will be integrated way beyond those that are introduced until now or said to be in the full release of the mod.

I'd love the Stone Rhino, Arctic Wolf, Nova, Jagermech, Hellbringer, Dire Wolf and some others. I guess maybe in 2 years if the community lasts that long this mod will have more mechs than any of the games anyway. :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 03:58:23 PM
Oh I'm quite aware that my opinion wont change the fact that this tradgedy of a mech will be implemented - but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I won't agree (loudly) when it is criticised :v

Now don't get me wrong: Anime is all well and good (Though I do reseve the right to mercilessly berate those that take it too far),

But putting anime in my Battletech is like putting icecream on my pizza =/
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Eldragon on February 11, 2010, 04:32:41 PM
For the most part I don't like the old Anime mechs. But I do like the old Marauder, and hate the new "Reseen" version, especially the miniature for it.  I'm actually surprised anyone likes the reseen version.

Don't forget than many of the popular clan mechs are actually kitbashed versions of the unseen anime mechs.
For example:
Loki = Warhammer with Marauder Arms
Vulture = Archer with catapult legs, and a mix of Rifleman/Marauder arm parts
Thor= Thunderbolt torso, Warhammer legs, and Marauder Arm
Madcat= Catapult with Marauder Arms
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Irregular_Peanut on February 11, 2010, 04:51:16 PM
Having known MW for a long time but not really invested in it, I think the Marauder is an interesting design, and I don't have any enthusiast complaints about it looking too anime-like, I mean the picture on the second post in this thread showed quite a neat design in my opinion (except perhaps for the shoulderplates), but that may be me not knowing too many mech designs to compare it to. (My favourite mech aesthetic design would have to be the Mad Dog/Vulture, the Mad Cat/Timber Wolf would come second for it being the most recognisable icon of MW/BT for me, also the Raven strikes a chord too).

Also I absolutely cannot wait for the Fafnir, given my love for gauss rifles.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 11, 2010, 05:05:17 PM
On that note, Irregular. . . why is the Fafnir coming in with Regular Gauss instead of the Heavy versionS?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Irregular_Peanut on February 11, 2010, 05:12:01 PM
Well I can't check its loadout for MWLL right now since the vehicle/mech details on the site haven't been uploaded yet, but I thought that it is Heavy Gauss.

If there is any reason for it to be normal then I would think because double Heavy Gauss would be incredibly hard hitting, but then again, if it had only two normal gauss rifles I would opt to get a MadCat MKII Prime instead.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on February 11, 2010, 05:15:20 PM
The Fafnir isn't the Fafnir without 2xHGauss.

I'm pretty sure the Devs know this.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on February 11, 2010, 05:17:35 PM
I say the Devs throw in some WoB Mechs just to piss off Temp and Alex.

They tend to be PPC/MRM-heavy designs with some other weird gadgets so I'm ok with this.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 05:34:22 PM
I say they throw your MOM in to piss off...

Your...

...uh...

....mom!

Yeah. Take that.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Eldragon on February 11, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
Exactly. A Fafnir without Twin HGauss is like an Awesome without PPCs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Irregular_Peanut on February 11, 2010, 05:59:07 PM
I say they throw your MOM in to piss off...

Your...

...uh...

....mom!

Yeah. Take that.

I would watch this one Bowrrl, if you let him run around making sharp insults like that, he might strike a nerve. (lol)

Like I said in a previous thread, I think that other iterations of the Marauder look fine, but I do agree that the one shown here looks really alien compared to the other mechs.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alexander on February 11, 2010, 06:07:01 PM
It's not even the fact it looks 'Alien'

It's sleek, shiny, polished-looking and lightweight - CBT mechs traditionally are more 'Blocky', less 'clean' and -definitely- look like they weigh thirty tons plus :v

Plus I have an irrational disgust for Western people/settings/styles trying to imitate Eastern people/settings/styles.

Of course, this is all personal opinion ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CW]Outlaw on February 11, 2010, 06:22:20 PM
well for those of you hating the giant cannon perched on a weak mount on top of the Marauder, i submit to you the Project Phoenix Marauder MAD-9S to end all the nay-saying.
(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/60_ogre_bbc_marauder_leftside.JPG)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Irregular_Peanut on February 11, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
It's not even the fact it looks 'Alien'

It's sleek, shiny, polished-looking and lightweight - CBT mechs traditionally are more 'Blocky', less 'clean' and -definitely- look like they weigh thirty tons plus :v

Plus I have an irrational disgust for Western people/settings/styles trying to imitate Eastern people/settings/styles.

Of course, this is all personal opinion ;D

My usage of the word alien pretty much meant that it looked vastly different to what is present, not that it looked like it was of alien design.

Also the Marauder model in the picture shown looks quite neat.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on February 11, 2010, 07:01:33 PM
Isn't there an Awesome with LAsers instead of PPC's right now?
Alsoinstead of Twin Heavy Gauss, think about two Clan Ultra 20.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on February 11, 2010, 07:23:18 PM
I still would go for HGauss.

Only as far as I remember you couldn't put anything other than Gauss in Fafnir main gun slots, could you?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Salvatoris on February 11, 2010, 08:57:49 PM
Ahhh. . . Dark Age, how I miss that game.

I took some comparison pictures of my Dark Age (project Phoenix) mechs and the originals... and I do mean original. ;)  These predate the pewter versions, and followed the 1st edition 2d paper stand-ups.  The silver plastic mechs in the pictures are from the third edition Battletech box set (1992), which includes all 14 "unseen" mechs.  I always loved the original versions of the Warhammer and marauder II, but I also love the project Phoenix art.

(http://www.deathdealermercenaries.com/images/warhammers.jpg)

(http://www.deathdealermercenaries.com/images/marauders.jpg)

As long as I'm posting pictures of my toys, here are a few of my favorites. ;)
(http://www.deathdealermercenaries.com/images/darkage.jpg)

p.s.  I really hate the new forum software.  Most of the time it is typing below the box.. and I cant see what I just wrote.  I think it happens if you try to add anything to the end of your post.  You can scroll down and see it.  But when I start typing it jumps back up a few lines, pushing the cursor out of view.  It may only happen when you click out of the box and back in, like to run iespell, preview or edit... Very frustrating.  What do you get from this suite that you don't get from phpbb?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Zaro27 on February 11, 2010, 09:33:47 PM
The Marauder, much like all the LAMs, looks like something from Robotech. Man, I used to love that show back when I was a kid. That being said, LAMs would be frigging sweet, but utterly impractical and almost impossible to make work.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on February 11, 2010, 09:35:44 PM
I never knew what I started, when I favored the marauder.

so much emotions about design and "Too many curvy lines,..." but maybe we should move this discussion to a new thread named "flame about your most hated mech" that would be nice for some of us.

no seriously, IMHO the marauder is one of the fastest heavy mechs including jump capability, that had a real punch, that's why I think its cool.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [CW]Outlaw on February 12, 2010, 12:25:16 AM
actually in CBT, the Marauder is average when compared to other heavy mechs in its class, and the only Marauder that ever jumped in CBT was the 100 ton Marauder II, other than that it just went a moderate 64 kph.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on February 12, 2010, 02:01:11 AM
If the Devs ever add more Hovercraft I want the Kanga.

That would be a fun little machine.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Alendor on February 12, 2010, 02:43:48 AM
the big question is why the dire wolf isn't planned to be included.  its the staple clan assautl mech, and the most recognizeable.  but somehow its kicked to the curb for the kodiak and blood asp, both great mechs, but dire wolf is a classic.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Temphage on February 12, 2010, 03:18:10 AM
well for those of you hating the giant cannon perched on a weak mount on top of the Marauder, i submit to you the Project Phoenix Marauder MAD-9S to end all the nay-saying.
(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/60_ogre_bbc_marauder_leftside.JPG)

I can do that. It's like a Hollander that actually might make me do something besides laugh!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Chaotic Neutral on February 12, 2010, 03:21:05 AM
I nominate the Ragnarok! Them mech with shields!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on February 12, 2010, 10:55:30 AM
Seriously though, I can get behind some of the alternative Marauders that exist, but the 'real' Marauder is just way too alien looking. Too many curvy lines, the silly looking artillery cannon... 'thing'... arms look like they're ready to snap off. I mean, seriously, look at that goofy giant gun mounted to an itty-bitty pivot.
Well, I agree, original-taken-from-macross-aka-robotech-anime-marauder design is a little off. But I see no problems with later design, as on Incubus' avatar:
(http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/avatars/gifs/droid.gif)

Angular, design? Check! Heavier dorsal cannon mount? Check! Stronger arms? Check! Why not to love? ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on February 12, 2010, 12:47:15 PM
Having known MW for a long time but not really invested in it, I think the Marauder is an interesting design, and I don't have any enthusiast complaints about it looking too anime-like, I mean the picture on the second post in this thread showed quite a neat design in my opinion (except perhaps for the shoulderplates), but that may be me not knowing too many mech designs to compare it to. (My favourite mech aesthetic design would have to be the Mad Dog/Vulture, the Mad Cat/Timber Wolf would come second for it being the most recognisable icon of MW/BT for me, also the Raven strikes a chord too).

Also I absolutely cannot wait for the Fafnir, given my love for gauss rifles.

I am really interested why people like the Fafnir so much, does anyone here have the background story for the mech? Or was it somewhat significant in the storyline of the canon at some point?

For the most part I don't like the old Anime mechs. But I do like the old Marauder, and hate the new "Reseen" version, especially the miniature for it.  I'm actually surprised anyone likes the reseen version.

Don't forget than many of the popular clan mechs are actually kitbashed versions of the unseen anime mechs.
For example:
Loki = Warhammer with Marauder Arms
Vulture = Archer with catapult legs, and a mix of Rifleman/Marauder arm parts
Thor= Thunderbolt torso, Warhammer legs, and Marauder Arm
Madcat= Catapult with Marauder Arms

Yeah, most of the older designs are pieced together but  actually don't really care for the designs can be interpreted very differently I mean some of the Mechs similarities are well explained in the canon such as the look of Catapult and Timber Wolf. Also as a japanese student who's been in Japan for numerous times I actually like the anime designs but only the Macross one's I really hate the Gundam lookalikes like the Shadow Hawk or the Phoenix Hawk. But can understand where the critisism is coming from.

the big question is why the dire wolf isn't planned to be included.  its the staple clan assautl mech, and the most recognizeable.  but somehow its kicked to the curb for the kodiak and blood asp, both great mechs, but dire wolf is a classic.

Yeha, I wondered about that as well. I mean the Blood Asp was on the Mechcommander 2 cover and the Kodiak was introduced in the Ghost Bear Legeacy,. I think the devs just want to show a nice profile of various designs. And as I said there will be more after the initial release. I suppose the Dire Wolf will be one of the first additions. ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on February 12, 2010, 03:01:31 PM
I am really interested why people like the Fafnir so much, does anyone here have the background story for the mech? Or was it somewhat significant in the storyline of the canon at some point?

The no nonsense answer?  It has two of the biggest guns capable of dishing out the largest amount of direct fire damage on any mech.  It should be capable of one shotting everything up the medium class, and being able to severely cripple everything else drastically.  The big deal about the Fafnir is just that: it's FREAKIN' HUGE!  It also looks rather cool too ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on February 12, 2010, 03:57:12 PM
Please sir, can I have me some Kodiak soon ?

(Though actually, in this game, I seem to be scoring better in medium mechs than heavies.)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Irregular_Peanut on February 12, 2010, 04:04:57 PM
I am really interested why people like the Fafnir so much, does anyone here have the background story for the mech? Or was it somewhat significant in the storyline of the canon at some point?

The no nonsense answer?  It has two of the biggest guns capable of dishing out the largest amount of direct fire damage on any mech.  It should be capable of one shotting everything up the medium class, and being able to severely cripple everything else drastically.  The big deal about the Fafnir is just that: it's FREAKIN' HUGE!  It also looks rather cool too ;)

That's pretty much your answer Farewell, it really is the beefiest looking mech I have ever seen, with two gigantic shoulders both carrying heavy gauss rifles, the thing is going to cost a fortune in this game.

It's basically like two Hollander A's in one mech, along with armour to rival an Atlas, lasers to engage smaller enemies like Harassers and BAs and an ECM suite to boot.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [IPA] Bravo Cadett on February 12, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
mechs i wanne see in MWLL:
(dunno if this stuff would be "too new" for the MWLL timeline @.@)
but 3060 hardware readout should be okay or ?

so my list :

VKG-2F Viking (90t of LRM spam ... or just mod it for SSRMs xD)
Corvis
Clint IIC
Stooping Hawk
Predator
Orion IIC (and Orion)
Canis
Highlander and Highlander IIC



Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 12, 2010, 09:09:25 PM
plus on top of that add these possibles to the list. . .

Fafnir A: 2 LBx 20, 2 Large Pulse Lasers, 2 Medium Pulse.

Fafnir B: 2 AC 20, 4 Large Beam Lasers

Fafnir C:  2 Ultra AC 20, 4 ER Large Beam Lasers.

And the list goes on and on. . . . . . .
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on February 12, 2010, 09:17:09 PM
And now an amazingly unpopular opinion:

The Marauder and Marauder II need to get the fapp out of mechwarrior and go back to whatever shitty weeaboo anime they fell out of. Of all the ugly gundam-esque mechs people hate, they all seem to love the most ridiculous looking one of them all. What the hell?

Love, me.

oh come on, we all know now, that u don't like it. there is really no need to get abusive about it.

i personally think the "nice blocky" hollander looks like zaphod beeblebrox...
but like you said oh what the hell
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on February 13, 2010, 12:04:17 AM
Everything should be removed from MWLL and the only vehicles should be the Marauder and Marauder II.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on February 13, 2010, 01:24:39 AM
I stress the word "SEARCH"

fixed

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,1758.0.html
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on February 13, 2010, 02:05:13 PM
Some I would like, a lot being MW:AoD units, are:

Jade Hawk (4x SRM-6 with back up lasers, good speed, TSM, JJs? yes please)
Hatchetman (Hatchet, that is all)
Shrike (Beast as)
Daishi (the Spheroids get their bad boy, can't we have ours?!?!)
Warwolf (this would be bad as! Targeting computer, ams, gauss rifle, twin lrms, jjs)
Solitaire
Griffin (I mean, cummon, it's a Griffin!)
Saggitaire (sooooo gooooooood)

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on February 13, 2010, 02:53:04 PM
I nominate the Ragnarok! Them mech with shields!
To be charitable, I'm just going to assume you were joking.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: kardar233 on February 13, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
Stone Rhino, Stalker, King Crab, Hammerhands, Warwolf, Blood Kite, Jupiter, Balius, Urbanmech, Scylla, Archangel, Shrike, Cygnus, Atlas II, Berserker, Devastator, Rifleman II+IIC, Pillager, Vanquisher, Raptor II, Stinger, Ostscout, Kingfisher. Plus the entire Celestial line.

As far as ASF goes: Kirghiz, Jagatai, Striga, Shade, Rusalka.

And for BA: Shedu, Tengu, Gnome, Kage, Fenrir, Sylph, Purifier.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Blauto on February 13, 2010, 11:20:16 PM
RIFLEMAN!! Please... both the IS version and the clan version! And they should be specific to both sides.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Raptor Khatib on February 14, 2010, 01:22:45 AM
I nominate the Ragnarok! Them mech with shields!

Do us all a favor along with that DA crap take the mech assault crap bundle it all together and shove it all out the airlock. I see any MA grabage in a mech game I won't pick it up because its nothing short of an insult to mechwarrior.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on February 14, 2010, 04:15:20 PM
Everything should be removed from MWLL and the only vehicles should be the Marauder and Marauder II.
Now you're talking business. :)

A-a-and you forgot Marauder IIC ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ wangmauler on February 14, 2010, 09:38:16 PM
Maurader IIC from mech 2, my lifetime favorite mech. Fell in love with it in MW2.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on February 14, 2010, 10:50:32 PM
Maurader IIC from mech 2, my lifetime favorite mech. Fell in love with it in MW2.

yeah those where the days...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: draconoth on February 15, 2010, 11:16:42 AM
i would love to see some of these new tripodal mechs there neat
the name they have is the ares
variants hera,hades, zeus, and poseidon

there neat i would like to see how you could use them being the heavest mech made so far
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on February 15, 2010, 12:57:15 PM
i would love to see some of these new tripodal mechs there neat
the name they have is the ares
variants hera,hades, zeus, and poseidon

there neat i would like to see how you could use them being the heavest mech made so far

To be honest, I don't think they'd work.  First off there's the cost, it would be somewhere in the 160k+ range, then there's piloting it, it's meant to have three pilots: a gunner, pilot and engineer, i don't even know exactly what the engineer is for, mostly defensive type stuff.  It is slow.  I mean, take the atlas' speed and half it, that's how slow it is.  Then it's huge, there's no way you can use terrain features for cover.  Those buildings on Marshes? Double that size, about half the height of a dropship (okay, maybe not THAT big).  And finally, it would basically be on the other team "everyone focus on THAT thing."  Missiles would tear it to shreds, it wouldn't be able to do that much against aero either.  I personally think it would be mad to see one on the field, but the effort it would require in keeping alive and the kind of issues you'd have making it viable wouldn't really be worth it.  Just my opinion...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on February 15, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
it still would be useful - I mean... everyone shoot THAT thing, so noone shoots at me 8)

But anyway - I think it won't happen. This would require writing totally new movement animations, not saying about re-making interface (damage controls), and various other, god-knows-what things.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on February 15, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
it still would be useful - I mean... everyone shoot THAT thing, so noone shoots at me 8)

But anyway - I think it won't happen. This would require writing totally new movement animations, not saying about re-making interface (damage controls), and various other, god-knows-what things.

The neat thing would be the virtual anti-BA bubble around it, due to all the BA countermeasures built into each leg... that could be very useful...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on February 15, 2010, 02:09:51 PM
yea, something like automated pulse lasers, or explosives which make "kaboom" when BA comes in range :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: snooggums on February 15, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
Oh I'm quite aware that my opinion wont change the fact that this tradgedy of a mech will be implemented - but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and it certainly doesn't mean I won't agree (loudly) when it is criticised :v

Now don't get me wrong: Anime is all well and good (Though I do reseve the right to mercilessly berate those that take it too far),

But putting anime in my Battletech is like putting icecream on my pizza =/

Anime, specifically Robotech for the original mech designs including the Wasp/Stinger, Pheonix, Marauder, Rifleman and Warhammer, is the foundation of Battletech. If you had no anime in your Battletech you wouldn't have Battletech.

LRM and SRM racks come from anime mech's apparent ability to hide eleven billion missiles under their armor where their working part should go. The battletech rules tried to make them logically possible, but if you ever look at an LRM rack and try to envision 120 more of those missiles hiding somewhere on the mech where do they go? Anime magic is where.

You should thank anime, and blame your dislike on the model's actual features instead of it's source of inspiration.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on February 15, 2010, 10:56:57 PM
i would love to see some of these new tripodal mechs there neat
the name they have is the ares
variants hera,hades, zeus, and poseidon

there neat i would like to see how you could use them being the heavest mech made so far

3 legged mechs ? When did that happen? I can imagine how stupid that must be looking while walking.  :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on February 16, 2010, 12:45:47 PM
I just found an interesting clan mech of clan ghost bear.. This could really spice up the fights with those missile boats...
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arcas (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arcas)

I mean look at this one variant: 2 erppcs and 2 medium pulse lasers and all that speed and armor for a 65-tonner...
Or is it just me?:D

Before i saw it only weighed 65t i thought it was the most intimidating mech i've seen so far.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: draconoth on February 16, 2010, 01:42:10 PM
i still think the ares is viable yes it would be a walking target  but it would be able to hold its own for a longtime it has lots of point defence areas and its made for sieging areas it would work great for holding points on maps it could work if you had multiple people get in it like it says it uses 3 to operate it it would be near to see

its only a little taller then an atlas so its not that much bigger and the apods would not really work for b armor it has 2 er small lasers and 1 srm 2 on each leg so that would fend off b armor somewhat and i don't really think b armor would damage that thing much anyways

here i will just post the a video and the info on it
 
here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHz1P5Obm0I

and here's the info
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ares_(BattleMech)


Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on February 16, 2010, 02:46:42 PM
come on... it's Dark Age - meaning: no way it'd get into MWLL.

Also it's weaponry ain't impressive I must say... MadCat 2 after mechlab would have better array of gunz than this one.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on February 16, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
I've always been a proponent of having as few assault mechs as possible, the mediums and heavies are the true workhorses and I'd rather see as many of those as possible :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: JLZ on February 16, 2010, 06:10:14 PM
Battlemaster
other light humanoid mech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Infinite o0o on February 17, 2010, 03:26:06 AM
prob the hellbringer, then the summoner. hell, throw in the stormcrow somewhere in there and i'll be happy
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: sleet01 on February 17, 2010, 06:27:44 AM
I've got to second the (oft-repeated and ancient) call for LAMs.  With the new tech available, these mechs could server a useful role situated right between the current cheapest Aerotech fighters and the much more expensive bombers, and with legs there's at least a slim chance they wouldn't EXPLODE ON LANDING.

I kid... slightly.  But LAMs - their obvious anime roots aside - are an interesting concept.  You sacrifice armor and/or weaponry for speed and flexibility, but using XL engines, Endosteel IS, and FF armor you don't need to give up as much.  The ability to sneak around the edges of the battlefield and stop to snipe occasional targets, or to take to the sky to engage a bomber that's harassing your front line, though, would be worth sacrificing a few extra tons of armor for.  What say?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on February 17, 2010, 05:08:22 PM
prob the hellbringer, then the summoner. hell, throw in the stormcrow somewhere in there and i'll be happy

The Summoner and the Stormcrow will be featured in the final version of the mod.

come on... it's Dark Age - meaning: no way it'd get into MWLL.

Which at least in my opinion is a good thing. Actually I still wonder when the mechs got so small like in DA, when I started getting into Battletech ~1995 the mechs were still up to 30mm tall. :D

I've always been a proponent of having as few assault mechs as possible, the mediums and heavies are the true workhorses and I'd rather see as many of those as possible :)

x2

I'd really love to get the Cauldron Born, Nova, Jagermech and so on. It's a little more dynamic than Assault Class battleage. ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ArmyUnit on February 17, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
The Hellhound.

Maybe the Osiris too.  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on February 17, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
Hmm... Of those not confirmed what we need is

the commando
the jagermech (Clan could have the rifleman IIC or something, as i have a feeling more people know that one better than the original I.S. one, wasnt the rifleman IIC the one in mw2?..)
the ryoken
the hellbringer
the hunchback
the centurion
the direwolf
and maybe the turkina :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on February 18, 2010, 11:33:32 AM
I just found an interesting clan mech of clan ghost bear.. This could really spice up the fights with those missile boats...
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arcas (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arcas)

I mean look at this one variant: 2 erppcs and 2 medium pulse lasers and all that speed and armor for a 65-tonner...
Or is it just me?:D

Before i saw it only weighed 65t i thought it was the most intimidating mech i've seen so far.
A 65-tonner, that's almost as fast as shadowcat, boasts the same armament as warhammer but with three times more SRMs, have a lot of heatsinks and can jump? DO WANT! ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Danger on February 22, 2010, 05:52:38 AM
I was just looking through some technical readouts and one of the mechs that really struck me as being an awesome mech to have in a game would be the Devastator. Personally I dont think it could get any better then an assualt mech with dual gauss rifles and ppc's :D. Maybe this could be a thread where we all throw in suggestions for additional mechs? If there is already one I apologize for making a duplicate thread.

(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3058/Devastator%203058.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Wizard^^ on February 22, 2010, 06:23:21 AM
Nice mech to pilot.  But I Still like faster mechs.  8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 22, 2010, 06:38:33 AM
Nice mech to pilot.  But I Still like faster mechs.  8)
That's cool. Everyone has a personal favorite to call their own. Mines the BattleMaster BLR-1G. and the Phoenix Project BattleMaster BLR-3M
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Omega59er on February 22, 2010, 07:11:05 AM
I don't have a pic of it but of coarse I want to see a Uziel in the release. (It's confirmed though) A non-confirmed mech I would like to see is a Prometheus. Anopther I would like to see is a Longbow.  EAT MY 6 LRM20's! Or make a varient with 2 gauss rifles and 2 PPC's.  :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Danger on February 22, 2010, 07:36:52 AM
Yeah I used to like faster mechs but now I just prefer heavy armor and a heavier punch :).

Of the two variants, the blr-1g and the blr-3m I like the BattleMaster BLR-3M better with the er ppc and case

A longbow with 2 ppcs and 2 Gauss riffles would be pretty sweet too!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 22, 2010, 09:02:43 AM
The Longbow is a missile boat incarnate. 2 LRM 20s and 2 LRM 15s. With all the camping going on and the complaints, I don't expect this Mech being added anytime at all. In fact, never.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on February 22, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
Since the only missile boats are currently only in light mech class (cougar) and heavy class (vulture/catapult), it would actually make sense to add in an assault class missile boat like the Longbow.  Of course there also would need to be a medium class at some point, perhaps the Trebuchet would be a nice fit.

But I do have a feeling that the mechlab might be versatile enough to make a Mauler or MC Mk2 a proper missile boat assuming you'll be able to put missiles on the arms like the 4x LRM20 vulture.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Danger on February 22, 2010, 06:35:38 PM
I've never really been that big of a fan of lrm's, although killing at atlas from 1000 yards using 6 lrm20's is kinda fun... as long as your not the person in the atlas that is
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on February 22, 2010, 08:27:49 PM
Here's one mech I don't want to see.  In fact you can't even see the mech, just its weapons!

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite)

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/f9/Bloodkite.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Drathorin on February 22, 2010, 09:01:07 PM
Here's one mech I don't want to see.  In fact you can't even see the mech, just its weapons!

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite)

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/f9/Bloodkite.jpg)

Needs more missles o-o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on February 22, 2010, 09:08:11 PM
Here's one mech I don't want to see.  In fact you can't even see the mech, just its weapons!

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite)

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/f9/Bloodkite.jpg)

Clan Star Adder's Hellfire. More missile than machine if you ask the majority of Battletech players. It will, however, make a Battle Armor think twice on approaching it with the Heavy Lasers.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: draconoth on February 22, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
Here's one mech I don't want to see.  In fact you can't even see the mech, just its weapons!

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Kite)

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/f/f9/Bloodkite.jpg)


can that thing walk XD
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: draconoth on February 22, 2010, 10:17:58 PM
here's one close to that it would be nice to find one of these ugly mechs  coming at you

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Savage_Coyote

now that i think of it it would be cool to use
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on February 28, 2010, 12:00:59 PM
With the release of the Novacat I would love to see the counterpart of the IS: The >>> Argus <<< (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Argus)
IMO its the IS-model of a honest mech for the assaults. Both have no extra gadgets (no ECM/BAP/etc), both are just simple and pure weapon platforms.
Where the Novacat only has these flashlights as weapons (and a petticoat) the Argus only relies on testosteron pushing ballistic weapons.
My preferred layout would be an AC-20 and an AC-5/10? (right arm) and an MRM-large-as-possible (left arm) and two flamers or MG in the torso.

The Novacat has better armor, the Argus is faster.

But I suppose the Argus I just gonna see in MWLL in the last 5 minutes before falling asleep...  :'(

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/argus.gif)

Yeah, its so ugly that its cool.  8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mordegar on February 28, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
Argus would be really nice, and i would also like to see the:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:3055u_Bandersnatch.jpg

I'm a big fan of LBX-AC10's with solid and ap rounds, and that ugly bastard would be a nightmare in a urban or swamp environment.
Forward facing guns with almost no heat buildup: 3 lrm 5, 2 LBX-AC10, 4 medium laser. 2 medium laser to the rear.

Since Bander Battlemechs is producing them with custom loadouts, things like 2 Gauss's could be possible.
Btw, it's clearly stated that it uses "double heatsinks", so it would be possible to turn it into a energy boat.

But since we're missing a 60 ton IS Mech, either the Argus or the Rifleman would get my vote.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on February 28, 2010, 12:43:40 PM
(...)
Btw, it's clearly stated that it uses "double heatsinks", so it would be possible to turn it into a energy boat.

But since we're missing a 60 ton IS Mech, either the Argus or the Rifleman would get my vote.

Waaaaaaaaaagh! An Argus needs weapons with hairs, not the pink painted stuff!  ;D
(Yes, I know, the original design even has two medium flashlights mounted. IMO just a better sight... ;) )
But a Rifleman I would love to see as well.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: No!Petru on February 28, 2010, 12:59:49 PM
Flea.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Mordegar on February 28, 2010, 01:34:28 PM
(...)
Btw, it's clearly stated that it uses "double heatsinks", so it would be possible to turn it into a energy boat.

But since we're missing a 60 ton IS Mech, either the Argus or the Rifleman would get my vote.

Waaaaaaaaaagh! An Argus needs weapons with hairs, not the pink painted stuff!  ;D
(Yes, I know, the original design even has two medium flashlights mounted. IMO just a better sight... ;) )
But a Rifleman I would love to see as well.

As i said, i prefer ballistic weaponry over everything else, but an Argus Prime would simply suck in this Mod, because the RAC5 isn't as effective as in CBT. Get a RAC 5 Demolisher and try it yourself, you'll be dead meat even if you manage to get under 400 meters close to them.
They can beat Mechs up to Medium's, but Heavy's are too well armored for them.

Btw, what i wrote about *double heatsinks* counted for the Bandersnatch. ;)
A energy setup on an Argus would be for pussys. :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on February 28, 2010, 03:40:11 PM
I've always been a proponent of having as few assault mechs as possible, the mediums and heavies are the true workhorses and I'd rather see as many of those as possible :)

This. We need more medium Mechs.

I really want the Firestarter http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Firestarter_%28OmniMech%29 . That's about the only medium Mech I feel strongly about that doesn't carry a Hatchet.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: draconoth on March 01, 2010, 06:39:01 AM
the fire starter would be used for running around and shutting down the mechs so your team could finish them off i would love to see some of those would be a nice support mech
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on March 01, 2010, 01:49:03 PM
^
Sounds awesome.
But its funny how i remeber that the firestarter in mechcommander was only 30t in weight...
What could be the explanation for this...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Pentence on March 01, 2010, 03:43:21 PM
OK there are a few i reaaaaly want  i definately want mea cauldron born
(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/1_SRavenEpsilonCauldronBornRoss.JPG)

And i realy realy realy want some quads hell i will model them myself if i have to and even work out the animations if it kills me @_@

Gol-4S (aka goliath ver 2 XD)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/8/8a/Gol-4s_goliath.jpg)

Also a fast atack quad would be awsome here a clan one the Snowfox
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/6/6d/Snowfox.jpg)

Or the assault built by the man who practicaly invented quads and carries his namesake the Xanthos
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/e/e9/Xanthos.PNG)

Notice i am keeping the design similar to allow for easy animation should these designs ever be considered seriously. I mean sure a scorpion or tarantula is a pain in the ass to animate but these guys all move the same. Simple single roatation on the shoulder and knees with mainly the hind quarters haveing a lil hip roatation and all ankles rotating to allow for turning. 

Basicaly the front ankles rotate then the front legs come up as the hind quarters rotate one at a time. If they need to make a quick 180 they simply walk in a small circle much like a dog does. They would havea tighter turning radius than a biped since they wont have turning cockpits but they will be much faster than their same weighted counter parts.

I think they would be awsome to add as another first done by MWLL and as a great addition to the many choices of ways to atack in this game. I for one would love a front shot only mech(naturaly the guns cna aim up and down without turning) thats a hit and run type its a dynamic not realy done in BT/MW videogame before.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on March 01, 2010, 04:52:10 PM
OK there are a few i reaaaaly want  i definately want mea cauldron born
(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/1_SRavenEpsilonCauldronBornRoss.JPG)
Cauldron born? Hell, yeah!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Raptor Khatib on March 01, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
I can just see my old clanmates and myself bum rushing people in those things. Oh god the carnage would be unreal.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Chewie on March 01, 2010, 10:52:28 PM
Wow

so many different requests.

I'd be happy with my old MPBT rides.

Com-2D (always a good laugh playing circle the enemy)
Javelin (4 med laser varient)
Panther.
VIndicator (1R, not the 1AA)
BlackJack (the correct old school design, not the BJ-Omni sculpt)
And the all time fave:
Centurion.

Clans......nah, too munchy....
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Eldragon on March 01, 2010, 11:24:06 PM
Real men drive Urbanmechs.

Slower than an Atlas, Less armor than a Hollander, and the meager firepower of a single AC10 and Small laser. With Just 10 AC10 rounds, the only mech you can reliably take down is another Urbanmech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on March 01, 2010, 11:31:59 PM
Real men drive Urbanmechs.

Slower than an Atlas, Less armor than a Hollander, and the meager firepower of a single AC10 and Small laser. With Just 10 AC10 rounds, the only mech you can reliably take down is another Urbanmech.

And you forgot to mention its a real beauty!

(http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/intshots/urbanmechshoot.jpg)

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/UrbanMech (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/UrbanMech)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on March 02, 2010, 12:41:45 AM
The Devs need to add the Urbanmech and Urbanmech IIC.

Preferably with this paint job.

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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: nordwars on March 02, 2010, 12:44:53 AM
Woo R2D2!

Definitely more fast mechs (lights and mediums). Most people don't get to play assaults, I regularly get enough cash for them but can't stand how bleeding slow they are. I can kill five times more with a shadowcat, but I'm getting a bit sick of it as its the only fast one meaty enough to do real damage, and I end up piloting it every time.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on March 02, 2010, 12:49:14 AM
Just struggled over a nice resume of this unsung hero...

>>> http://www.brickcommander.com/urbanmech2c.htm (http://www.brickcommander.com/urbanmech2c.htm)

What did they smoke when they created it?!?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Griffin on March 02, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
its been awhile since ive replied to this post, but after playing the game i think the centurion would be the perfect addition to it. It would give a person something to take over a vulture when you need that close-range punch. Also would LOVE to see the Thunder Hawk (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Thunder_Hawk) that assault mech is an absolute beast.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on March 02, 2010, 02:18:49 AM
I'm almost willing to bet on it now that the devs will include the centurion in mwll at least at some point. So many people (including myself) want to see it in the game... Anyway other than that and the many mechs listed earlier, I'd be interested in having a chassis (preferably heavy i guess) that would support 3 light gauss rifles and other stuff. Then you could snipe them damn lrm boaters from afar and actually inflict some damage too...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: draconoth on March 02, 2010, 03:09:44 AM
OK there are a few i reaaaaly want  i definately want mea cauldron born
(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/1_SRavenEpsilonCauldronBornRoss.JPG)

And i realy realy realy want some quads hell i will model them myself if i have to and even work out the animations if it kills me @_@

Gol-4S (aka goliath ver 2 XD)
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/8/8a/Gol-4s_goliath.jpg)

Also a fast atack quad would be awsome here a clan one the Snowfox
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/6/6d/Snowfox.jpg)

Or the assault built by the man who practicaly invented quads and carries his namesake the Xanthos
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/e/e9/Xanthos.PNG)

Notice i am keeping the design similar to allow for easy animation should these designs ever be considered seriously. I mean sure a scorpion or tarantula is a pain in the ass to animate but these guys all move the same. Simple single roatation on the shoulder and knees with mainly the hind quarters haveing a lil hip roatation and all ankles rotating to allow for turning. 

Basicaly the front ankles rotate then the front legs come up as the hind quarters rotate one at a time. If they need to make a quick 180 they simply walk in a small circle much like a dog does. They would havea tighter turning radius than a biped since they wont have turning cockpits but they will be much faster than their same weighted counter parts.

I think they would be awsome to add as another first done by MWLL and as a great addition to the many choices of ways to atack in this game. I for one would love a front shot only mech(naturaly the guns cna aim up and down without turning) thats a hit and run type its a dynamic not realy done in BT/MW videogame before.



i would love to see those to and the cauldron born aswell but i still would love to see the ares and if they get quad mechs then i think it would be possible to do the ares aswell i just like the idea of having something that big on the field would be i nice surprise
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on March 02, 2010, 04:20:32 AM
Quads would be interesting, but remember that the Mechs really walk so they would be a nightmare to implement. Can't say some of the quirks quads have wouldn't make for awesome gameplay though. And I do love me some Xanthos.

The Ares is a Dark Age Mech. Dark Age is to Battletech what The Prequels are to the Star Wars universe.

In other words, blasphemy.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Raptor Khatib on March 02, 2010, 05:12:58 AM
the only good thing about the urbanmech is it can take out the trash for you. Just open in up, throw the garbage in the trash can on legs and tell it to walk itself to the curb. ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: fabhren on March 05, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
Aw, nobody likes Grasshoppers?  Loved that 'mech!

I hope they include the Grasshopper GHR-4T:
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=12505
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grasshopper

It is really old school, never was presented in any BTech videogame, but it was my favourite in the board game. Awesome for city ambushes and death from above stunt manouvers.

Oh how I miss this mech...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: QiLin on March 05, 2010, 05:57:31 PM
I want my beloved Quickdraw. My first 'personal' mech I was assigned when I was geeky enough to be a member of Mechforce Switzerland!!!  8)

(http://www.exodus-road.com/xcart/files/master/prodpics/1-CBT/classic_battletech_miniatures_IWM_20-872.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on March 05, 2010, 09:40:34 PM
Assassin for sure, medium mech size, light mech speed

(http://sarna.net/wiki/images/4/48/Assassin.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on March 06, 2010, 05:05:02 PM
god you people are bad at deciding !!!


THOR DAMIT! AND ORION
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Stahlseele on March 06, 2010, 05:22:24 PM
i am not bad at deciding.
i still want some of the underdogs.
the dildo of death and the dönerkeil.
but maybe if they put in a rifleman or something like that, i'll actually start playing mechs instead of tanks.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DSA WarHorse on March 06, 2010, 06:03:27 PM
Salute!

If the Cauldron Born is not in game already I would love to see it added.

DSA WarHorse....Out.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Blowfish on March 07, 2010, 01:46:21 AM
Looking at the mechs due to go in already (drools at Stomcrow, Summoner and Uziel) the one i most want to add is the Hellbringer, but as you have the Warhammer in already i can see why it's not planned.

I guess i'd like to see something to move up from after the raven, perhaps the Men Shen?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Wizard^^ on March 07, 2010, 02:39:06 AM
I think we need the good old training mech. You could put the newbies in one and let them run around for free.
Oh I am talking about the Chameleon

 (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/1/17/Chameleon.jpg/191px-Chameleon.jpg) (http://www.technical-readout.mechground.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1166&Itemid=1542)
I still think the older picture of the Chameleon was better but I can't find it
Or the heavy training mech (the Crockett) would be fun but not free

 (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/5/5a/Crockett.jpg/191px-Crockett.jpg) (http://www.technical-readout.mechground.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=26)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: zekio on March 07, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
Thor of course!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)GoThiK on March 08, 2010, 03:09:20 AM
Mechs i would LOVE to see in the game:

- The Hatchetman(I think that's what it's called...it's basically a mech that carries a big arse axe around)
- The Battlemaster
- Uziel
- Cougar
- Phenix Hawk
- Rifleman
- ALL THE UNSEEN MECHS(i don't care if they're a rip off or not i just think they look really cool)
- Eventually, an Atlas variant with a Punisher style Skull design for a cockpit
- I would say the Timberwolf and the Mad Cat mark II, but it looks like they'll already be in there
- Daishi
- Wildcat(not sure if this is battletech cannon, but i loved using it in MWL)
- Mackie(the original battlemech)
- I would love to have a star wars AT AT and an imperial walker in the game just so that we can PWN the heck out of them, showing how terrible their designs are, ROFL jk


Maps i would love to see:
-I don't know if this is possible, but it would be cool if we could have a Solaris stadium as a map to play in...gotta love Solaris WOOT
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Ace on March 08, 2010, 09:42:05 AM
Turkina.

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9848/turkinacommandib6.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Daniel-San on March 08, 2010, 02:49:04 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing the Marauder in game! It is my alltime favourite mech since I first saw it (1990-92 I guess)!
It is THE MECH in my opinion!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on March 08, 2010, 11:22:45 PM
... It is THE MECH in my opinion!

There can be only ONE!!!

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs30/f/2008/169/3/4/The_Mackie_by_PinkSniperIII.jpg)

No one beats the Mackie getting the girls attention with this loadout :D 'nough said ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Fury9er on March 09, 2010, 12:50:29 PM
A Mackie would be cool :D

I like the Cataphract, that Capellan mech with loads of autocannons.

Urbanmechs would be fun just for the capability to have urbie-only battles  :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Ishan on March 09, 2010, 05:35:47 PM
I agree with some of the posters that there should be more Small and Medium Mechs

My favorit favorit Mech would be the Wolverine:
Wolverine

(http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleMechs/TRO3025/Wolverine%203025.jpg)


Other Mechs i would love to see?

Wasp
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=6048

Stinger
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=3687

Valkyrie
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=9650

Wolfhound
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=6504

Panther
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=1350

Phoenix Hawk (i really love that one too)
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=2046

Centurion
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=857

Griffin (Yes, i got a heart for Mechs with guns and fullmodeled Hands)
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=1960

Shadowhawk
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=12756

Crusader
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=4915

Archer
http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/Design.asp?Type=Battlemech&ID=13158


Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on March 13, 2010, 08:15:39 PM
To me the Clan Light Mechs seem to be unbalanced against the Inner Sphere: 4 Inner Sphere against 3 Clan. I was thinking there's need of a fourth clan, something like the Hellion or a Koshi, Dasher, or Hankyu added to the game. Personally, the Hankyu would be my pick
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spanish Inquisition on March 13, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
I vote for something with an AC20. I mean, clanners can't let freebirth scum out do them, can they?

Seriously, Urbanmech IIC, or Wolfhound IIC. Because I have a hard on for both.

Ok, double seriously, the Horned Owl looks alright with a LPLAS in the prime config. http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Horned_Owl_(Peregrine)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on March 13, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
I think you mean this link: http://sarna.net/wiki/Horned_Owl_%28Peregrine%29
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Brainwright on March 13, 2010, 09:15:41 PM
I'm personally dying to see how the artists will make a regular-legged mech smaller than a heavy.  The Hollander's legs are kind of funky.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on March 14, 2010, 12:33:55 AM
I want to see the Madcat Mk2 gone more than I want to see any one mech in. Having a second line/inferior mech in as the clan's only assault is just... weird.

(For the curious, the Mk2 was some contrived thing made by M$ to capitalize off the Madcat's popularity [or something], and it was justified in canon by saying clan Diamond Shark (Sea Fox) designed and built them specifically for sale to the Inner Sphere. As such, the Clans regard them as inferior second line mechs [similar in status to the IICs and other non-omni designs]. A front line/honorable Clan unit wouldn't use them other than where there isn't another choice).

Edit: To clarify, my puzzlement is why one of the  superior clan mechs of the many available in the assault class (Such as the Executioner, Gargoyle, Turkina, Warhawk, and Kingfisher) weren't chosen over a second line mech made for a turd of an attempt at a Battletech game.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Snowball on March 14, 2010, 01:23:46 AM
snip

I assume the MKII was added simply due to developer choice/popular appeal.  It's their game, so they probably just stuck in the Mechs they liked/Mechs that were popular to make the mod popular.  I didn't know all that info about the MKII's background, and I can understand your distaste, but removing a fully made, fully functioning asset from the mod at this point seems like a bit of a bad idea, especially when there might not be something to replace it.

Also, who's to say whether or not they might add in more Mechs later.  We'll all just have to wait and see  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on March 14, 2010, 01:32:57 AM
snip

I assume the MKII was added simply due to developer choice/popular appeal.  It's their game, so they probably just stuck in the Mechs they liked/Mechs that were popular to make the mod popular.  I didn't know all that info about the MKII's background, and I can understand your distaste, but removing a fully made, fully functioning asset from the mod at this point seems like a bit of a bad idea, especially when there might not be something to replace it.

Also, who's to say whether or not they might add in more Mechs later.  We'll all just have to wait and see  ;D

Yea, I understand it's sour grapes on my behalf and removing a functioning asset has no real basis in logic (though my point on the backstory stands). If anything, I hope there's other, first line quality assaults added, as well as second line clan mechs added to the other tiers (just in example: Jenner IIC, Vapor Eagle, Black Python) to balance things out.

Unfortunately, I think part of my rage at the Mk2 is that it reminds me of some of the other persistent features that remind me of some of the (in my opinion, undesirable) features of MW4, such as poptarting (as a mass tactic), LRM boating, and a generally long-ranged, sniping sort of play in most matches (reminding me of the term 'TurretTech').

So anyhow, there, positive contribution to this thread: Mechs I'd like to see...

A legit clan assault, and second line clan mechs in the other weight classes to balance out the existence of the Mk2.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spanish Inquisition on March 14, 2010, 05:13:48 AM
generally long-ranged, sniping sort of play in most matches (reminding me of the term 'TurretTech').
Solution? Everybody gets to enjoy a good dose of 3025 tech.

Quote
A legit clan assault

Kodiak, accept no substitute. Will donate $100 if devs can get melee reliably working with the Kodiak. I long to rape somebody's face with my claws, then dump 4 MLAS into them.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: rgreat on March 14, 2010, 10:53:01 AM
Kodiak + 100!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on March 14, 2010, 01:55:18 PM
generally long-ranged, sniping sort of play in most matches (reminding me of the term 'TurretTech').
Solution? Everybody gets to enjoy a good dose of 3025 tech.

Quote
A legit clan assault

Kodiak, accept no substitute. Will donate $100 if devs can get melee reliably working with the Kodiak. I long to rape somebody's face with my claws, then dump 4 MLAS into them.

The Kodiak is also considered a second line mech, and is non-omni. (However, I do like it more than the Mk2)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on March 14, 2010, 02:08:59 PM
Yea, I understand it's sour grapes on my behalf and removing a functioning asset has no real basis in logic (though my point on the backstory stands). If anything, I hope there's other, first line quality assaults added, as well as second line clan mechs added to the other tiers (just in example: Jenner IIC, Vapor Eagle, Black Python) to balance things out.

Unfortunately, I think part of my rage at the Mk2 is that it reminds me of some of the other persistent features that remind me of some of the (in my opinion, undesirable) features of MW4, such as poptarting (as a mass tactic), LRM boating, and a generally long-ranged, sniping sort of play in most matches (reminding me of the term 'TurretTech').

So anyhow, there, positive contribution to this thread: Mechs I'd like to see...

A legit clan assault, and second line clan mechs in the other weight classes to balance out the existence of the Mk2.

First of all you should notice that there the Kodiak and Blood Asp are planned to be added into the mod.
See the Unreleased Mechs (http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Category:Unreleased_Mechs)

Whatever it brings the MW4 or not, in good sens or bad, doesn't really matter. It's a great mech, amazing continuation of Mad Cat, and the second-line Assault will be IHMO the biggest hole in IS arsenal, where they won't have powerful long-range unit which can withstand a lot and help team to overwhelm the enemy defenses.

Also note that all the "bad tactics" you've pointed out are lead by units appearing first time in CBT, so I don't see any relation ;)

Quote
I was thinking there's need of a fourth clan, something like the Hellion or a Koshi, Dasher, or Hankyu added to the game. Personally, the Hankyu would be my pick
I'd go for Fire Falcon (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon) - something to counter the Osiris ^^
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Nakor on March 14, 2010, 05:00:52 PM
Ishan, you are a man of quality and good taste, I second all that shit.  ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on March 14, 2010, 05:05:47 PM


Quote
I was thinking there's need of a fourth clan, something like the Hellion or a Koshi, Dasher, or Hankyu added to the game. Personally, the Hankyu would be my pick
I'd go for Fire Falcon (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon) - something to counter the Osiris ^^
[/quote]

Damn my soul in Hades! I forgot about that little twerp. You're right though it'll fit in the plus it has a good weapon balance to counter the Osiris
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gremlich on March 14, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
Cauldron-Born
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ThunderHawk819 on March 14, 2010, 08:08:52 PM
Cauldron-Born

I don't know what kind of role it could play. Then again, nothing ever is a bad idea.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on March 14, 2010, 10:29:02 PM
Yea, I understand it's sour grapes on my behalf and removing a functioning asset has no real basis in logic (though my point on the backstory stands). If anything, I hope there's other, first line quality assaults added, as well as second line clan mechs added to the other tiers (just in example: Jenner IIC, Vapor Eagle, Black Python) to balance things out.

Unfortunately, I think part of my rage at the Mk2 is that it reminds me of some of the other persistent features that remind me of some of the (in my opinion, undesirable) features of MW4, such as poptarting (as a mass tactic), LRM boating, and a generally long-ranged, sniping sort of play in most matches (reminding me of the term 'TurretTech').

So anyhow, there, positive contribution to this thread: Mechs I'd like to see...

A legit clan assault, and second line clan mechs in the other weight classes to balance out the existence of the Mk2.

First of all you should notice that there the Kodiak and Blood Asp are planned to be added into the mod.
See the Unreleased Mechs (http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Category:Unreleased_Mechs)

Whatever it brings the MW4 or not, in good sens or bad, doesn't really matter. It's a great mech, amazing continuation of Mad Cat, and the second-line Assault will be IHMO the biggest hole in IS arsenal, where they won't have powerful long-range unit which can withstand a lot and help team to overwhelm the enemy defenses.

Also note that all the "bad tactics" you've pointed out are lead by units appearing first time in CBT, so I don't see any relation ;)

Quote
I was thinking there's need of a fourth clan, something like the Hellion or a Koshi, Dasher, or Hankyu added to the game. Personally, the Hankyu would be my pick
I'd go for Fire Falcon (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon) - something to counter the Osiris ^^

So are we actually properly considering the Mk2 as an IS mech (since it is used almost exclusively by the IS)?

Not sure I know what you meant by the bolded.

The Fire Falcon is an excellent suggestion, by the way.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on March 18, 2010, 01:25:01 PM
Warhawk: A more awesome Awesome. already planned.
Marauder: Coolest mech ever built. Already planned.
Rifleman: An anti-air mech. Nice addition, don't you think?
Executioner: 95 tons. Runs 86kph with MASC. Jumpjets. Need I say more?
Stone Rhino: A mech designed to hold an entire company assault. Extremely slow, but armored like hell.
Nova: Versatile and fast laserboat
Battlemaster: A classic.
Jenner: Another classic
Orion: An old design, a heavy featuring a C3 computer and NARC
Urbanmech: Something so ugly everybody will want to shoot it. The perfect distraction.
Centurion: the IS workhorse
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SquareSphere on March 20, 2010, 01:00:59 AM


To counter the nova cat, how bout bringing back the IS energy boat the Black Knight (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Knight)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: BraylonCWM on March 20, 2010, 02:37:15 AM
Looking forward to the Warhawk/Masakari
                                     Stormcrow/Ryoken

would love to see the Zeus as it looks cool, but truth be told it sucks in pretty much every iteration, good for nothing but getting it's pilot killed

would love to see the Grizzly for second line clan heavy and the Rifleman or Dragon for IS

all time favorite mech though is the  Crusader
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MagicSquirrel07 on March 20, 2010, 03:35:51 AM


To counter the nova cat, how bout bringing back the IS energy boat the Black Knight (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Knight)
Don't know if it will be the most popular suggestion but I'd really like to see the black knight too. 
And the Urbanmech would be nice though not high priority for the developers I doubt... It just doesn't seem right having a mech warrior game without at least one completely pointless mech :D :D :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on March 20, 2010, 04:00:05 AM


To counter the nova cat, how bout bringing back the IS energy boat the Black Knight (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Knight)
Don't know if it will be the most popular suggestion but I'd really like to see the black knight too. 
And the Urbanmech would be nice though not high priority for the developers I doubt... It just doesn't seem right having a mech warrior game without at least one completely pointless mech :D :D :D

I thought they already added the Bushwacker...?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on March 20, 2010, 10:30:58 AM
lol.... hahahaha!

As for urbanmech - it'd be a waste of resources... I mean... c'mon - you would need to create model, textures, entirely new animations (!) than test it and find out that it's just the easiest, defenseless target in the game. Than people wouldn't even bother buying it other that for the easter (paint it and you have nice easter egg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: StuKa on April 07, 2010, 03:00:48 PM
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 07, 2010, 03:26:49 PM
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Danger on April 07, 2010, 04:36:37 PM
I'd love to see the executioner/gladiator. Another one that'd be great would be the devastator :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Buzz_Litebeer on April 07, 2010, 05:05:52 PM
lol.... hahahaha!

As for urbanmech - it'd be a waste of resources... I mean... c'mon - you would need to create model, textures, entirely new animations (!) than test it and find out that it's just the easiest, defenseless target in the game. Than people wouldn't even bother buying it other that for the easter (paint it and you have nice easter egg)

It would only be a waste if the Osiris with ac20 is left in the game.

If the osiris is made more sane, then the urbanmech would be useful as it would have a very large cannon other tiny mech was carrying around.

And the urban mech could be cheaper than dirt.

You should able to buy 2, with the knowledge that your first one going out probably would get shot out from under you (unfortunately this would be because you fired and their failure rate is about 50%, causing catastrophic mech failure on half the mechs just by firing).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on April 07, 2010, 08:01:16 PM
One side note for the Hellbringer.

I mean the Summoner is coming anyway, and most parts of the Hellbringer are the same, except for the upper torso part and one arm; at least with some minor changes. 65T at 86kph = deadly awesomnes right in the face.

Actually I'm really looking forward to most Clan Mechs that are already planned like the Summoner, the Storm Crow (97kph and decent weaponry made me use it almost exclusively in MW2 and MW4 Multiplayer) and the War Hawk  except for the Kodiak and the Blood Asp, for I usually don't really use all to heavy chassis.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rakkis on April 07, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
I've always had a soft spot for the Kodiak ever since MW2: GBL.  But I still want my main mech... the summoner
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 07, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Heh, the Hellbringer. That mech creates exactly twice the heat it can dissipate and has paper-thin armor ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 07, 2010, 11:25:35 PM
lol.... hahahaha!

As for urbanmech - it'd be a waste of resources... I mean... c'mon - you would need to create model, textures, entirely new animations (!) than test it and find out that it's just the easiest, defenseless target in the game. Than people wouldn't even bother buying it other that for the easter (paint it and you have nice easter egg)

It would only be a waste if the Osiris with ac20 is left in the game.

If the osiris is made more sane, then the urbanmech would be useful as it would have a very large cannon other tiny mech was carrying around.
Yep... good point. Osiris should have AC10 or even lower. AC20 is waaay too much for any light mech - this firepower is simply too much to fight with  :o it's in fact more dangerous than bushwacker what makes me feel odd...

#
Wanna this:
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/0/0a/Jade_Falcon_Stone_Rhino.jpg)
:D
Prime variant with 2Gauss, 2LPLs and 1SPL,
A variant with 4 LPL, 2 MRM10 (or ATM9 if they would be implemented),
B variant with 2 Gauss, 1LBL, 1MBL, 2SBL and the AMS, and...
C variant (not canon) with 3 UAC20, 1 SPL, AMS, AECM

The 100 ton Stone Rhino (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stone_Rhino)  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 08, 2010, 06:00:08 AM
The 100 ton Stone Rhino (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Stone_Rhino)  ;D

 Love that walking monster! Haven't seen it in action since MW2:GBL. Used to play it with 3xERPPC and lots of heatsinks. Yeah, PPCs was the thing that counts back then...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on April 08, 2010, 06:32:56 AM
lol.... hahahaha!

As for urbanmech - it'd be a waste of resources... I mean... c'mon - you would need to create model, textures, entirely new animations (!) than test it and find out that it's just the easiest, defenseless target in the game. Than people wouldn't even bother buying it other that for the easter (paint it and you have nice easter egg)


Hey, no bad jokes about Urbanmechs...  ;D
>>> clicky clicky <<< (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i71/loserzmartin/Btech/1254973760151.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 08, 2010, 07:59:07 AM
Hey, no bad jokes about Urbanmechs...  ;D
>>> clicky clicky <<< (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i71/loserzmartin/Btech/1254973760151.jpg)

  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

      (8))
    O|__|"
      ][ ][
 
Urbanmech FTW!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 08, 2010, 08:06:57 AM


To counter the nova cat, how bout bringing back the IS energy boat the Black Knight (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Knight)
Don't know if it will be the most popular suggestion but I'd really like to see the black knight too. 
And the Urbanmech would be nice though not high priority for the developers I doubt... It just doesn't seem right having a mech warrior game without at least one completely pointless mech :D :D :D

 Black knight!  1xPPC, 2xLBL, 4xMBL, 1xSBL for prime, all in 75 tons! BL-6b-KNT and BL-9-KNT also rocks!

 And I want my Urbie! Damh, it has a lots of armor for a 30-tonner.

I'd love to see the executioner/gladiator. Another one that'd be great would be the devastator :D

 Yeah, both are damn good mechs. Do want.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on April 08, 2010, 08:24:00 AM
Warhawk: A more awesome Awesome. already planned.
Marauder: Coolest mech ever built. Already planned. (>for me the weirdest Mech ever built, born in a Manga...)
Rifleman: An anti-air mech. Nice addition, don't you think? (>and a real classic)
Executioner: 95 tons. Runs 86kph with MASC. Jumpjets. Need I say more?
Stone Rhino: A mech designed to hold an entire company assault. Extremely slow, but armored like hell. (>looks like a Marauder on steroids, s.a.)
Nova: Versatile and fast laserboat
Battlemaster: A classic.
Jenner: Another classic
Orion: An old design, a heavy featuring a C3 computer and NARC
Urbanmech: Something so ugly everybody will want to shoot it. The perfect distraction.
Centurion: the IS workhorse

IMO the best wish-list so far.
Yes, I really miss the 'classics'.
I only would add the Cataphract (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cataphract) (love the design and idea behind) and the Sha Yu (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sha_Yu) (The Scat for men).
And the Centurion would be really cool, but with a mechlab I don't wanna know how many 'unique' Yen-Lo-Wang (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Yen-Lo-Wang)s would be out there. I would have one for sure... ::)

But even more I miss Tanks! Von Luckner (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Von_Luckner), DI Schmitt (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/DI_Schmitt), J.Edgar (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/J._Edgar)... where the hell are you?!?

BTW: Why is nearly no one keen on a Hatchetman?! Or the Mackie?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 08, 2010, 11:20:28 AM
Lies! This thing is born in a manga
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Phoenix_Hawk
The Marauder is too awesome for Robotech. We deserve him 8)

I would love the Hatchetman. Problem is, the Hatchet will be useless. No mechs beating each other up in MWLL (yet)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Haunted on April 08, 2010, 02:26:08 PM
Ahh... the Marauder... the Manga Mech.

Yes we not only deserve it, we NEED it (luckily we will get it!)  ;D

For me it's one of the most iconic mech ever.

I love to see the 'unseen' mechs in  a BT game.... give Haramony Gold what they deserve, make the best Battletech game and put the Unseen designs in it :)
We got the Warhammer already, Marauder is coming.... so I am happy.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sesambrot on April 08, 2010, 03:50:09 PM
I'd like to see the Blackjack (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blackjack_Omni)
(http://trm.mektek.net/images/blackjack2.gif)

In general I think we need more medium mechs at first, since there are only 3 meds for both factions so far, but 4 of any other weightclass
check the wiki (http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Mechs)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on April 08, 2010, 05:49:59 PM
Quote
I was thinking there's need of a fourth clan, something like the Hellion or a Koshi, Dasher, or Hankyu added to the game. Personally, the Hankyu would be my pick
I'd go for Fire Falcon (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon) - something to counter the Osiris ^^

I already forgot this one. Great addition to the rooster of light mechs for sure. We need more Jade Falcon anyway. :D

In general I think we need more medium mechs at first, since there are only 3 meds for both factions so far, but 4 of any other weightclass
check the wiki (http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Mechs)

Amen, in the end the middle class stuff is most fun the great symbiosis of speed and firepower. They should add some more middle class instead of 100T which most people don't even get because they don't get enough C Bills :D. So it's good for getting more people to play as well.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 08, 2010, 06:00:09 PM
 :'( but I want Stone Rhino!  :'(

But seriously though - sure, medium mechs is what's needed most at the moment in the matter of mechs (aside from the fact that we need other stuff than mechs more) but still when we'll have mids done - one could add the Stone Rhino some day... just because so few MW games had it and it was really great mech. :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on April 08, 2010, 06:07:48 PM
Need more medium and heavy

Blackhawk, Orion, strider, thor, centurion, trebuchet
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DFDelta on April 09, 2010, 07:30:31 AM
Need more medium and heavy

Positive.
We need the Crab, Penetrator, Uziel, Rifleman, Raijin and Komodo. And Urbies and King Crabs, tough these are not meds/heavies  :P
I don't care for clan, just give me some fancy IS toys  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 09, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
I'd like to see the Blackjack (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blackjack_Omni)
(http://trm.mektek.net/images/blackjack2.gif)

In general I think we need more medium mechs at first, since there are only 3 meds for both factions so far, but 4 of any other weightclass
check the wiki (http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Mechs)

 Reminds me of JagerMech (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jagermech), which is a good addition too.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 09, 2010, 11:08:39 AM
Better go with the Rifleman instead. It's far more popular in the IS, and one of the classics.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 09, 2010, 11:54:45 AM
And it's the AA mech - we could use one! :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on April 09, 2010, 11:55:34 AM
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Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sesambrot on April 09, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
Better go with the Rifleman instead. It's far more popular in the IS, and one of the classics.
true, but I want more medium weight mechs! :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 09, 2010, 01:20:39 PM
And it's the AA mech - we could use one! :)

 Jagermech is AA too. :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on April 09, 2010, 02:05:58 PM
Rifleman is a 60 ton heavy mech, which is pretty damn close to a medium mech anyway nitpicking aside


anyway that aside Centurion would be my pick for the next IS medium, and BlackHawk (Nova) for clan medium
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on April 09, 2010, 04:02:34 PM
The Centurion is a bit too old and underpowered for the 3067 battlefield IMHO.  Would prefer an Enfield or a Grim Reaper in it's place though (same role but better):
For Comparison:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Enfield
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grim_Reaper

The Old Centurion just can't stand against the more modern 50-55ton machines, even the Bushwhacker http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bushwacker is a much better choice, and if you put the Centurion against the Uziel, you get one dead Centurion.  Best the Centurion could manage would be as a starter 'mech, and IMO I'd still go with the Owens or Raven to start with over the Centurion in 3067.

Same goes for the Centurions partner, the Trebuchet; why would you spend all the C-Bills on that machine when an Apollo (the mini-Archer) does the same job....better (Artemis FCS has those LRM15s hitting like LRM20s)... for the equivalent  cash?
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Trebuchet
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Apollo_(BattleMech)

The Crab is one of my favourite mediums, but it just doesn't fit with MWLL - the design would have to have a visible cockpit and the original, as we all know is a headless 'mech), and the distinctive arms would have to be removed for the pod system to work for example - it just wouldn't be a Crab anymore.

The Blackjacks always been one of my favourites, as a Marik enthusiast I'm used to running under-armed, underweight lances and the Blackjack Omni with it's UAC5s was excellent direct fire-support for my fast moving Wraiths and Cicadas; the Alt A provides as much indirect firepower as a 65ton Catapult , B is a C3 machine, D an energy boat and C pumps out almost as much firepower as my beloved Bandersnatch so it's all good) The earlier BlackJack Battlemech (non-omni) is pretty awful though.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blackjack_Omni
And it fits the Pod system pretty damn well too  8)

The Men Shen (the Ravens big brother) is another machine I'd love to see, a 55ton Recon 'mech with 17tons of pod space and good armour for a medium, top speed with MASC 130kph.  Would be great to upgrade an Ownes or Raven to the Men Shen when the big guns come out on the field.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on April 09, 2010, 04:10:35 PM
The Centurion is a bit too old and underpowered for the 3067 battlefield IMHO.  Would prefer an Enfield or a Grim Reaper in it's place though (same role but better):
For Comparison:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Enfield
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grim_Reaper

The Old Centurion just can't stand against the more modern 50-55ton machines, even the Bushwhacker http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bushwacker is a much better choice, and if you put the Centurion against the Uziel, you get one dead Centurion.  Best the Centurion could manage would be as a starter 'mech, and IMO I'd still go with the Owens or Raven to start with over the Centurion in 3067.

The Centurion went through plenty of upgrades after the clan invasion to keep up with the times. Some even have higher Battle Values than most variants listed at sarna for the Enfield and Bushwacker (the last two in the list below).


Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on April 09, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
Centurion, Nova, Jagermech, Ryoken, Summoner, Hellbringer and stuff...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on April 09, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
@Capper

You know I hadn't thought about the upgraded Centurions, but it occurs to me that most of these machines, while packing advanced components to up their BV, are seriously flawed, and still struggle compared to the newer machines.

Old CN9-A Centurion:
Pros: Standard engine, so is much tougher to kill, even at 2.5 tons of armour less than the Enfield due to the Enfields XL engine.
Cons: It is obsolete by 3070s - too little firepower, too slow (20kph slower than the Enfield).

CN10-B Centurion
Pros: Standard Engine as original, much better firepower (still less than the Enfield)
Cons: Same speed as old machine, 2.5ton less armour than Enfield, has to remain at a stand-off for the Artemis LRM10s to add to the LBX and medium lasers (unlike the Enfield which has no minimum range weapons)  Costs the same in BV as the Enfield; ergo less bang for bucks.

CN9-D5 Centurion
Pros: It's fast, I like that, it has more options than the Enfield :) RAC5 with Targetting computer...hell yes!  You can run away when the RAC5 jams.  It's pretty hot direct fire support though, best variant I've seen.
Cons: A Musketeer 45ton Hovertank has the same firepower at almost half the cost (BV 840ish) (the Musketeer has 1 ton less armour and no TC but it carries CASE) and has a similar speed .  The D5s XL engine makes it fragile and it still has 2.5tons less armour than the Enfield, it's also slightly more expensive.  Almost all of the machines firepower is in one area, and that RAC5 is unreliable if over-used (which it has to do to match an Enfields fire output).

CN9-D9 Centurion
Pros: Upgrade on the D (that's not saying much really),  Fun&Funky Plasma Rifle (would rather have the RAC5 TBH) Jump Jets!
Cons: XL Engine and only 8.5tons (equivalent) Standard  Armour (2.5tons less than the Enfield), as slow as the original, meh firepower, pointless expensive gyro and at 200 BV more than the Enfield.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the old Centurion/Trebuchet combo, in my minds eye I still see one swivelling to look at a Dropship while it's female pilot says "Welcome to Port Arthur Sir"; but after 3050 they are both showing their age and even overhauled massively they still struggle to out perform the raw firepower of the newer machines; worse still they get these upgrades by loosing their one advantage (the durable Standard engine) and really become underarmed and underarmoured which is why after 3050 I consider them obsolete (all but the D5).

The D5s the best of the bunch IMHO but I'd still rather have 2 Musketeer tanks or one Enfield than the D5 for much the same cost.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 10, 2010, 12:17:40 AM
Hey guys! Let's get rid of all the Star League designs aswell! Who needs those old pieces of junk anyway?
You can't just compare mechs that stem from the time of level 1 rules with the new designs. Also: Price. As I mentioned serveral times in my Mechlab thread, non-XL engines should make for much MUCH cheaper mechs. They definitely have their place.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on April 11, 2010, 03:33:27 AM
Thor and Blackhawk "aka nova"

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:8E9WqaMGmVOdsM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Summoner_MechWarrior.jpg)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sdN4gK_HSIAvFM:http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/diagrams/blackhawkku.gif)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Spanish Inquisition on April 14, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
I think the Centurion would be perfectly cool... if there was a Yen-Lo Wang variant. Gauss Rifle, TSM, and 3 MPLAS. Or something to compensate for TSM, since we don't have it in MWLL.


Summoner "aka Thor" and Nova "aka Blackhawk"
Fixed that for you, freebirth.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ wangmauler on April 14, 2010, 11:39:30 PM
I think this thread could have used a poll to get a nice list of who wants what! :)

I forget if I already said something here or not, so [if] I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

man i love bein a turtle.


MARAUDER IIC (MW2). w00t!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gravecoast on April 15, 2010, 04:03:41 PM
.....Caldron Born >_>
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: whatever on April 17, 2010, 11:53:23 AM
the griffin!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [SF]JT Kirk on April 18, 2010, 12:28:43 AM
Im partial to the Templar.............

(http://www.freewebs.com/sfmercs/templa.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Monkeybonk on April 19, 2010, 03:32:41 AM
(http://imgur.com/Q6NEB.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bean Can on April 20, 2010, 02:41:47 AM
cauldron born
masakari
highlander
daishi
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [SF]JT Kirk on April 20, 2010, 05:42:48 AM
Haupty and BK....................

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5859/blackknight0653rg.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on April 20, 2010, 02:25:47 PM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/skiddy_comics/thebattlemaster.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Monkeybonk on April 20, 2010, 05:43:24 PM
I've never seen a hairy Catapult until now.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on April 20, 2010, 10:01:23 PM
AWESOMEE!! :D:D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on April 20, 2010, 10:26:24 PM
CRAB, in both king and regular flavors

(http://www.djgallagher.com/games/pc/battletech/wallpaper/KingCrab_800x600.jpg)

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/c/c7/Crab.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 20, 2010, 10:31:02 PM
Ah, the Crab. I somehow associated it with the MW2Mercs mission near the beginning where you have to destroy a building floor. +1
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on April 20, 2010, 10:43:36 PM
I second the King Crab.

It looks so goddamn goofy but the more you stare at it the more it grows on you.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on April 20, 2010, 11:26:07 PM
personally i just want to re-art those 2 crab mechs up :P

give them a little bit of an artistic boost.  Have the regular crab have claws for both arms and adjust the angle of the legs so that the whole mech doesn't look  like its gonna fall, meanwhile for the king crab, borrow a few elements from (don't hurt me) the dark age version, which actually looks pretty cool. (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/4/49/MWWS_111.jpg)

I also love those 2 designs because of the way their bodies are shaped.  Minimal frontal surface area, squat and low to the ground, it just seems so effective.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 21, 2010, 07:09:23 AM
I also love those 2 designs because of the way their bodies are shaped.  Minimal frontal surface area, squat and low to the ground, it just seems so effective.

 Yeah, crabs are good.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on April 21, 2010, 05:46:09 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again...I want the Summoner, and thankfully I believe that it will make an appearance 8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on April 22, 2010, 04:10:57 AM
personally i just want to re-art those 2 crab mechs up :P

give them a little bit of an artistic boost.  Have the regular crab have claws for both arms and adjust the angle of the legs so that the whole mech doesn't look  like its gonna fall, meanwhile for the king crab, borrow a few elements from (don't hurt me) the dark age version, which actually looks pretty cool. (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/4/49/MWWS_111.jpg)

I also love those 2 designs because of the way their bodies are shaped.  Minimal frontal surface area, squat and low to the ground, it just seems so effective.

I love this experimental King Crab design a friend of mine gave me based on the King Crab in the pic. 3/5 movement speed. Supercharger in the RT. 2xHAG30s (8tons ammo) 4xERMBLs 1xStreakSRM6 (1ton ammo) Active Probe and (here's the part that I love) 304 points of hardened armor. That means 608 points total. Depending on the range it can take an HGauss to the face and keep going. It has 96 points of chest armor, it needs to take four AC20 rounds to the CT before internals show. There is no easy way to stop this thing. It is so durable I find it hilarious.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 22, 2010, 08:23:46 AM
personally i just want to re-art those 2 crab mechs up :P

give them a little bit of an artistic boost.  Have the regular crab have claws for both arms and adjust the angle of the legs so that the whole mech doesn't look  like its gonna fall, meanwhile for the king crab, borrow a few elements from (don't hurt me) the dark age version, which actually looks pretty cool. (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/4/49/MWWS_111.jpg)

I also love those 2 designs because of the way their bodies are shaped.  Minimal frontal surface area, squat and low to the ground, it just seems so effective.

I love this experimental King Crab design a friend of mine gave me based on the King Crab in the pic. 3/5 movement speed. Supercharger in the RT. 2xHAG30s (8tons ammo) 4xERMBLs 1xStreakSRM6 (1ton ammo) Active Probe and (here's the part that I love) 304 points of hardened armor. That means 608 points total. Depending on the range it can take an HGauss to the face and keep going. It has 96 points of chest armor, it needs to take four AC20 rounds to the CT before internals show. There is no easy way to stop this thing. It is so durable I find it hilarious.
How the hell did you do that? No matter what I do, I'm at least 3 tons overweight with that design. Don't tell ma that thing only has 10 dbl heatsinks :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on April 22, 2010, 05:00:37 PM
why would it need more?

hags are gauss rifles, 4 medium er lasers and the srm 6 just slightly run warm, but nothing too extreme.
i like that beast.

(edit, checked the stats. ok, so it runs a bit hot actually, it could fire the hags and some lasers, or all the lasers and no hags, or sacrifice firing 1 of those weapons to fire the srm6, in order to produce minimal heat.)

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on April 22, 2010, 05:10:49 PM
It only has 10 double heat sinks.

Though it is entirely possible that I modified it myself. I tend to make mechs that run a little hot (I love TSM way too much, though this design doesn't have it) and if I had to guess the Active Probe is probably mine, as I am an electronics junkie. Also I may have slapped on two tons more armor than the original design had at the cost of two tons of HAG30 ammo. The supercharger may also be mine, but it seems to fit the design nicely so it may actually be a competent and sane decision, which is not my calling card.

So yeah, drop the armor down to 36tons (not as crazy, but still pretty up there) and lose the active probe and there's your 3 tons for heat sinks. If you drop the supercharger too you can fit a fourth.

Sorry, I'm retarded. It also has a Small Cockpit in my design. Like I said, competent and sane equipment choices are not my area of expertise.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on April 22, 2010, 05:32:00 PM
its like some kind of mega zombie
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 22, 2010, 05:37:52 PM
Sorry, I'm retarded. It also has a Small Cockpit in my design. Like I said, competent and sane equipment choices are not my area of expertise.
And an XL gyro I assume? ;) Yeah, that makes sense. I hate small cockpits though. A mechwarrior needs legroom ;)

Anyways, if I needed more heatsinks, I wouldn't have trouble putting them on. I'm making so many variants in my spare time that I'll soon be able to do them in my head ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 22, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
For me it smells like the Fbombing for newbies exercise   ::)
 ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Barcode on April 22, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
Favourites in bold. Second choices in italics.

If I had to pick just one 'Mech, it'd be either the Summoner or the Stormcrow. Although the Firemoth would be a close one.

Imagining that this dream 'Mech list would be somehow fulfilled, lastly I'd want to see 'Mech-correct weapon racks for the Mad Dog (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mad_dog). You can't tell me those little hexagonal weapon racks are cooler than the original four barrels (though I do appreciate their necessity).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 22, 2010, 08:12:26 PM
  • the Nova {only if they make aiming move the weapons only (and therefore allowing mouse-aim), since this 'Mech has no torso twist}
Nor has the Puma, actually ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on April 22, 2010, 08:35:08 PM
cauldron born has been depicted with and without a hip

the uller too

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bowrrl on April 23, 2010, 05:27:17 AM
its like some kind of mega zombie

Nah, I already made the mega zombie.

Behold the Nosferatu:

Mixed Tech Experimental.

100ton Quad, so it's almost impossible to knock down.
323 points of Hardened armor (Yes, that is 40.5tons).
Reinforced Structure (Internals have double points).
Torso Mounted Cockpit, so it keeps going even if it's head has been completely blown off.

4xImproved Heavy Medium Lasers
8xTalons (More on these later)

Notable equipment is:

An Angel ECM, so it can disrupt some missiles and create Ghost Targets.
2xLAMS, so any missiles that aren't disrupted are pretty much shot out of the sky.
A C3 Slave, because it seemed like a good idea at the time.
A Searchlight, because why the hell not. A bit intimidating to infantry I would think.
A Supercharger and TSM bring it's movement up to a possible 4/7.
13xClan Double Heat Sinks.

The four Heavy Medium Lasers make it's heat skyrocket up into TSM range. When it gets into melee combat, with TSM activated it can pump out 60 points of damage with a kick attack due to the Talons. This is one of those mechs you want to ambush people on an urban map with. Once SSW gets Boobytraps working I also want to squeeze one of those in there, depending on how they work.
 



Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on April 23, 2010, 06:11:47 AM
Orion


Mech of the great father Kerensky
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Vaskadar on April 23, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
Sorry if it's a repost.

The Raptor II
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/4/49/Raptor-2X.jpg)

It looks fast, it moves fast. It's a sweet omni-mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Vaskadar on April 24, 2010, 06:23:50 AM
Yeoman, because it's more missile than mech.

(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/6/66/Yeoman.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Eiji on April 24, 2010, 08:26:56 AM
Personaly id injoy a few of the melee mechs like the axemen or beserker. Beserker number 1 on my list.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Flyingdebris on April 25, 2010, 07:24:21 AM
the yeoman, god, talk about phoning it in on the art.

i think someone managed to make a cool looking version of it.  i'll try and find it
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on April 25, 2010, 07:55:47 AM
The frigging Stormcrow.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 25, 2010, 09:40:16 AM
the yeoman, god, talk about phoning it in on the art.

Replace the Catapult with it and you'll get the perfect deterrent to missileboating ;D
"I'm supposed to pilot THAT?!"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on April 25, 2010, 05:15:12 PM
Hehe, if they implement internal ammo explosions the Yeoman will be easy pray. :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 25, 2010, 05:18:14 PM
That's the kind of Mech that makes me always wonder where did it pack additional ammo and how does it reload?  ???
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Wizard^^ on April 26, 2010, 03:02:05 AM
I think anime answer that "Hammer space"  8)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Haunted on April 26, 2010, 06:54:38 AM
That's the kind of Mech that makes me always wonder where did it pack additional ammo and how does it reload?  ???

I am wondering where they put the fusion reactor.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 26, 2010, 07:56:30 AM
That's the kind of Mech that makes me always wonder where did it pack additional ammo and how does it reload?  ???

I am wondering where they put the fusion reactor.
Have a look at the Marauder. Now that's a small engine!
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/0/06/3025_marauder.jpg
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MaverickOriginal on April 26, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
Yeoman must be really short and squat.. that's only 2xLRM25's, which matches the number of missiles on a Cougar A
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Barcode on April 27, 2010, 08:07:00 AM
^And yet, it's a Heavy.  :-\
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on April 27, 2010, 08:47:28 AM
Yeoman must be really short and squat.. that's only 2xLRM25's, which matches the number of missiles on a Cougar A

It's 2 lrm 15s and 2 lrm 10s.

And you're comparing a level 1 tech IS mech to a clan mech. Upgraded Yeoman is a bit sexier.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~KorbinWimmer on April 28, 2010, 08:15:37 PM
That yeoman is so ugly... also we don't need another boat in the game imo. 

I could list a 100 mechs that i would love to see, but is there a list of definite mechs that are in the works?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 28, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
is there a list of definite mechs that are in the works?
Here: http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Mechs
look for those in italics :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~KorbinWimmer on April 28, 2010, 08:36:57 PM
is there a list of definite mechs that are in the works?
Here: http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Mechs
look for those in italics :)

Thanks!  Well they have almost all my favorites.... so it would be a tough choice. I hope they dont stop adding mechs

Daishi
Loki (although it might be to similar to the Thor/Warhammer)

Solitare - clan light mech
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/1/19/Solitaire.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Vaskadar on April 29, 2010, 07:30:18 AM
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/5/5b/Raptor_II_3.jpg)(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/4/49/Raptor-2X.jpg)

Still the coolest thing on two legs. The Raptor II.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on April 29, 2010, 07:53:37 AM
Still the coolest thing on two legs. The Raptor II.

 For the love of god, no jihad-era tech plz! Besides, Raven is much better. ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on April 29, 2010, 08:04:12 AM
Dark Age: Living Legends
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on April 29, 2010, 08:22:05 AM
I too am a lover of the Raptor II, jihad or not  ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on April 29, 2010, 08:46:34 AM
is it just me or it looks like Alien?  :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on April 29, 2010, 08:57:29 AM
It's you  :-X
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on April 29, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Just browsed through sarna again and found this piece od Clan awesomness: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Lanner

I mean come on, 55t at 119kph that is fapping great. And it has some firepower as well. I'd love to see this one, almost as much as I'm llooking forward to the Storm Crow :-D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on April 29, 2010, 04:40:26 PM
Storm Crow is gonna be awesome, and I will probably switch between it and the Shaddy when I play.  I go anything larger than a heavy and I get killed...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on April 29, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
Yeah, mostly the same with me. The only thing I use other than that would be the Summoner.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~KorbinWimmer on April 30, 2010, 04:03:38 PM
Cauldron Born!

kind of a heavy clan version to the Bushwacker...kinda I also like the Raptor

(http://www.banzaiinstitute.net/images/Mechs/CauldronBorn1.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on April 30, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Agreed Korbin, a thousand times over, I love that mech!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~KorbinWimmer on May 01, 2010, 08:57:32 PM
Just saw a pretty sweet model by the people at Mechstorm.. Cougar Mk II credits: Designed by Eriance , modeled by xR1pp3Rx,

(http://www.mechstorm.com/images/stories/cougar_mkii_frontal_600x.jpg)
(http://www.mechstorm.com/images/stories/cougar_mkii_right_side_600x.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on May 01, 2010, 09:40:12 PM
orion
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Gravecoast on May 01, 2010, 10:53:11 PM
Caldron Born, Daishi, Battlemaster
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [SF]JT Kirk on May 02, 2010, 12:48:35 AM
I'll also need a stretch limo..............

(http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1448/bk129oo2.jpg)

Mercs players will recognise this one from Governors mansion mission play
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Reiel on May 02, 2010, 01:08:39 AM
I was thinking the assault on the treaty speech in MW4.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Deathbane on May 02, 2010, 03:35:16 AM
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/2/23/Thor.jpg)

Please finish the summoner, you have the model just texture it and get it fighting!

I cant wait to pilot this thing again!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on May 02, 2010, 09:39:26 AM
Please finish the summoner, you have the model just texture it and get it fighting!

I cant wait to pilot this thing again!
If it looks as Clan-y as the current Timberwolf then hell yea, Summoner >:]
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bozworth on May 03, 2010, 12:56:14 AM
i'm an old school battletech player from back in the day when there were no clans and i bought crysis solely to play this mod.  i'm totally digging on the effort that has been put into MWLL and am happily going to donate.

as for the mechs, i'd love to see any of the "unseen" but namely the Rifleman.  OMFG WHY IS THERE NO RIFLEMAN?!  ;D
maximum PEW PEW PEW for your dollar

here's what i'd like to see added to each weight class:
Light: Locust
Medium: Griffin
Heavy: Rifleman
Assault: BattleMaster

any sort of LAM would be pretty cool too.  none of that IIC crap   ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Maschinengeist on May 08, 2010, 06:43:57 AM
As far as Clan equipment goes, I would love to see the Stone Rhino, Nova, Ebon Jaguar, Ice Ferret, Warhawk, and Firemoth.

On the IS side of things, the Centurion, Panther, Wolfhound, and Trebuchet are some classics that would be really nice to see on the battlefield.

If I had to pick just one machine, though...one I would actually pilot instead of a tank...it would be the Ebon Jaguar, without a doubt.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: noisefloor on May 09, 2010, 04:27:28 AM
Quote
Light: Locust
Medium: Griffin
Heavy: Rifleman
Assault: BattleMaster

Yes! and don't forget the marauder. With those, there are all mechs i need to play :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rampage on May 09, 2010, 04:49:26 AM
We need more medium mechs. Uziel......Stormcrow.......Hunchback  those were all announced but have not made it yet.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on May 09, 2010, 05:06:37 AM
I'm with the call for Medium mechs, anything bigger and I die too fast  ???
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Social-Pariah on May 09, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
Well not that I miss it... but the Daishi feels like it should be in there in the first place, as the clan equivalent of the Atlas.

Mostly I'd like to see the Uziel in there, as I always used to use that for the twin PPCs in Mechwarrior IV.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bozworth on May 10, 2010, 09:41:43 PM
Quote
Light: Locust
Medium: Griffin
Heavy: Rifleman
Assault: BattleMaster

Yes! and don't forget the marauder. With those, there are all mechs i need to play :D

the marauder is already on the way and it looks just like the original, so i left that one out ;)

i really loathe the look the remakes of the unseen mechs like you see at Iron Wind Metals or even the MW4 re-release from MekTek.  i want the original iconic mechs :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Bozworth on May 10, 2010, 10:04:24 PM
I'm with the call for Medium mechs, anything bigger and I die too fast  ???

how about the Griffin, Hunchback, Phoenix Hawk, Komodo, and Shadow Hawk?

if they could work out the 4 legged mech thing, i think a Scorpion would be sweet :D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: EvilMD on May 10, 2010, 11:40:17 PM
Light - Stinger, Wasp, Locust, ***Jenner***
Medium - ***Centurion***, Crab, Wolverine, Phoenix Hawk
Heavy - Rifleman, ***Zeus***, Axeman, Crusader
Assault - King Crab, ***Battle Master***, Goliath (quad mech I know)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Hydramatic on May 10, 2010, 11:55:56 PM
Light

Panther, Hussar, Hammer

Medium

Dervish, Nova, Daimyo, Crab, Ice Ferret, Viper

Heavy
Flashman, Penetrator, Daikyu, Anvil

Assault

Executioner, Shogun, Battlemaster, Banshee, Dire Wolf, King Crab, Hatamato-Chi, Thug
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: zekio on May 13, 2010, 03:12:48 PM
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/2/23/Thor.jpg)

Please finish the summoner, you have the model just texture it and get it fighting!

I cant wait to pilot this thing again!

cant wait for the summoner. my alltime favorite mech.
used to play through all the missions in MW2 and GBL with this thing
(apart from few with weight limit/special equip requirement)

and for assaults, executioner is my favorite
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on May 18, 2010, 09:46:13 PM
Summoner and Hellbringer in next patch! I HEARD IT FIRST HAND ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CapperDeluxe on May 18, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
You mean Thor and Loki, you clanner dog!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on May 18, 2010, 10:05:55 PM
Summoner and Hellbringer in next patch! I HEARD IT FIRST HAND ;D

HAARP plz calm down, you are drooling on your keyboard :)

yeah those two would be great, but i just can't wait for the marauder... *wanders off dreaming..*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SquareSphere on May 18, 2010, 11:22:54 PM
It'll be interesting to see how they load out the variants for these two.  I just hope they Summoner has some better configs than the  Thanny.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~MausGMR on May 19, 2010, 03:55:58 AM
HAARP you've got me excited now, if your wrong i'm going to be sad =P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Aposiopesis on May 19, 2010, 04:05:22 AM
I'm not really too interested in the under-armored turd that is the Hellbringer (I'd MUCH prefer an Ebon Jaguar at the same tonnage), but I'm quite looking forward to the Summoner so long as it, the Timberwolf, and the Mad Dog have their appropriate speeds.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on May 19, 2010, 05:17:20 AM
Summoner and Hellbringer in next patch! I HEARD IT FIRST HAND ;D

(http://img.letssingit.com/members/768730/hellyeah_.jpg)

                HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rakkis on May 19, 2010, 04:19:22 PM
Summoner and Hellbringer in next patch! I HEARD IT FIRST HAND ;D

yes!! I hope this is true so i can stomp out in the battlefield in my pimp'd out summoner.... bye pimp'd out i mean stock :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on May 19, 2010, 09:39:31 PM
I'm not really too interested in the under-armored turd that is the Hellbringer (I'd MUCH prefer an Ebon Jaguar at the same tonnage), but I'm quite looking forward to the Summoner so long as it, the Timberwolf, and the Mad Dog have their appropriate speeds.

The Hellbringer (Loki) might be slightly weak on armour, but it puts out a LOT of firepower and is fast, and just looks really cool (always been one of my clanner favourites).

The Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron Born) is a cool bloody zombie, I wonder if it will be without torso twist..I think we need some 'mechs like that for variety, it never was a favourite of my'ne but I always loved killing it.

But I'd really like to see some more lights, some 25-30ton machines would be great, Firemoth (asher) and Mist Lynx (Koshi) are my favourites for the Clans, the Commando and maybe even the Locust & Commando for the IS would be welcome.

*Dreams of us starting with 25K and the choice of 20-25 ton 'mechs or 40-55 ton tanks, can't get too much of the early game if you ask me*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Karuik on May 19, 2010, 10:03:39 PM
Summoner and Hellbringer in next patch! I HEARD IT FIRST HAND ;D

IF YOU ARE LYING I WILL BURY YOU IN A VOLCANO! YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT!

but if not, there will be parties, lots of them, with pancakes.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: MechMonkey on May 19, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Summoner and Hellbringer in next patch! I HEARD IT FIRST HAND ;D

From who?  I dont believe you unless you can confirm with proof.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on May 19, 2010, 10:28:00 PM
Defender. Last night he showed up on one of the servers and we asked him how he dared playing when there's modeling to do. ;D
Turns he he's done.

I didn't make any screenshots, because frankly, I don't care whether you believe me or not :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on May 19, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
Modeling in a 'Mech is the first step of many required to actually bring an asset to life for in-game play.  You may adjust your expectations accordingly!  :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Landros Radick on May 19, 2010, 11:02:44 PM
Oh Defender.. when will he ever stop lying to the poor schmucks, it's almost as bad as Masakari's 'What fell out of my anus thread'..  :-\
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on May 19, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
Modeling in a 'Mech is the first step of many required to actually bring an asset to life for in-game play.  You may adjust your expectations accordingly!  :)
LIES! It's all dirty lies! I will see the Summoner in the next patch! *puts finger in ear* Lalalala...
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Deathbane on May 19, 2010, 11:15:03 PM
*dances*

He was dropping hints to me as well. Ill have all 4 SSRM pods of the Mad Dog B ready for him if it turns out hes telling fibby lies :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on May 20, 2010, 08:15:55 AM
Modeling in a 'Mech is the first step of many required to actually bring an asset to life for in-game play.  You may adjust your expectations accordingly!  :)
LIES! It's all dirty lies! I will see the Summoner in the next patch! *puts finger in ear* Lalalala...
LOL

I can put the Summoner image in front of the screen for you in the next patch if you want Summoner so much.
Just there where is your crosshair.

You have too good K/D ratio anyway, so it will just bring back the games to normal.
~GUI developer
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on May 20, 2010, 08:26:45 AM
*Dreams of us starting with 25K and the choice of 20-25 ton 'mechs or 40-55 ton tanks, can't get too much of the early game if you ask me*

 ..and BA! Lots of BA! That would be awesome!

 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Snowball on May 20, 2010, 08:46:20 AM

 ..and BA! Lots of BA! That would be awesome!

Mmmmm, lots of BA's.

Omnomnom.

*Scurries off to check his lasers*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)martinroshak on May 20, 2010, 10:16:30 AM
I'm gonna request I special Laser Suppression Device (LSD for short) to combat Snowball and his BA killing ways :P

*heads off to Ideas and Suggestions boards*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [IPA] Thalamus on May 20, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
Urbanmech. :D



No, seriously: Marauder, Stone Rhino. That Annhilator thing that was playable in MW3 was also nice. And some more of the Unseen (Griffin!).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Defender on May 20, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
The Rumormill Has Begun!

I'm just a modeler, the first link in the chain, you asked me what I've done, I told you. Doesn't mean it's complete. ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on May 20, 2010, 07:26:01 PM
The Rumormill Has Begun!


hell yeah, that's what we live for...

... 'till the next patch anyway.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on May 20, 2010, 07:49:38 PM
hell yeah, that's what we live for...

... 'till the next patch anyway.

...which will occure soon I hope/beg/pray.

The Rumormill Has Begun!

I'm just a modeler, the first link in the chain, you asked me what I've done, I told you. Doesn't mean it's complete. ;)

...
Your job is done?!?
Get back into your cell and enjoy your water and bread and start with the Centurion. Or finish the shrek, morrigu.
We need medium tanks(damn, wrong thread) and more medium mechs, the backbone of the BT!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Defender on May 20, 2010, 08:56:23 PM
hell yeah, that's what we live for...

... 'till the next patch anyway.

...which will occure soon I hope/beg/pray.

The Rumormill Has Begun!

I'm just a modeler, the first link in the chain, you asked me what I've done, I told you. Doesn't mean it's complete. ;)

...
Your job is done?!?
Get back into your cell and enjoy your water and bread and start with the Centurion. Or finish the shrek, morrigu.
We need medium tanks(damn, wrong thread) and more medium mechs, the backbone of the BT!

*dangles a carrot on a stick*
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Incubus 24-7 on May 20, 2010, 09:50:26 PM
*swallows the carrot in one bite*

give use more to gossip about PLEASE!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on May 21, 2010, 07:16:25 AM
*chanting* MOAR MECHS! MOAR MECHS! MOAR MECHS!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HighPlains Drifter on May 24, 2010, 06:56:16 PM
I'm kinda new here, so sorry if this got mentioned...

But i always was a fan of L.A.M.'s for light and recon mechs.. LAMs would be a pretty cool addition.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on May 24, 2010, 08:49:29 PM
I'm kinda new here, so sorry if this got mentioned...

But i always was a fan of L.A.M.'s for light and recon mechs.. LAMs would be a pretty cool addition.
Those will never be implemented. It has been discussed a couple of times, and the answers range from "impossible" to "fapp that Japanese-looking crap"
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: SquareSphere on May 24, 2010, 10:13:36 PM
But HAARP we'll always have this LAM (http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/forum/index.php/topic,8940.0.html)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HighPlains Drifter on May 25, 2010, 01:44:58 AM
I'm kinda new here, so sorry if this got mentioned...

But i always was a fan of L.A.M.'s for light and recon mechs.. LAMs would be a pretty cool addition.
Those will never be implemented. It has been discussed a couple of times, and the answers range from "impossible" to "fapp that Japanese-looking crap"

Thats too bad.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: AlfalphaCat on May 25, 2010, 02:38:51 AM
I'm gonna request I special Laser Suppression Device (LSD for short) to combat Snowball and his BA killing ways :P

*heads off to Ideas and Suggestions boards*
It's called a Vulture, B variant, dual srms on chain fire.
Have fun killing novacats!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~Azov on May 26, 2010, 05:33:52 AM
I wonder how hard it would be to add in the Warhammer IIC. basically a beefier model of the one you have with just better weapons. EH? maybe?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Barcode on May 27, 2010, 02:00:13 AM
My problem with the Warhammer (to me) is that it just looks like a heavier Hellbringer. We need more visual diversity; s'why I'd rather see a Rifleman (IIC or not), Summoner, Warhawk, Dire Wolf, etc. first.

EDIT: Also - someone already made a model for it?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on May 27, 2010, 02:32:02 PM
SUMMONER!!!!!!!

Can't make the post in here, enough!!!

GO SUMMONER, SUMMONER FOR THE WIN!!!!!

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu144/Amarus20/Battletech/3_DakGhostBearThor1.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on May 27, 2010, 02:44:20 PM
My problem with the Warhammer (to me) is that it just looks like a heavier Hellbringer. We need more visual diversity;
It does?! hmm...
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/4/44/Loki3050.JPG/180px-Loki3050.JPG) vs (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/7/7c/3025_warhammer.jpg/191px-3025_warhammer.jpg)
Let's see... legs... arms... missiles... yea, they just duplicated the same model! Bastards!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on May 27, 2010, 02:48:20 PM
(...)
Let's see... legs... arms... missiles... yea, they just duplicated the same model! Bastards!

Who cares?  ;D Best design evr going hand in hand with the awesome and the bushy. (yes, i love these crude designs -> marauder is the ugliest and childish mech ever  :-X )
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DFDelta on May 27, 2010, 02:55:43 PM
Penetrator is needed.

Awesome looking, and hard to kill 75 tons mech.
It has 13 tons of armor, a normal fusion engine and an AMS.
4 jump jets give it good jump capabilities, and 12 dhs are enough to keep fireing with either all of its main or secondary weapons at once (2xERLBL, 6MPL) without overheating.

Oh, did I mention it looks awesome?
(I love the flat design of the second picture, flat designed mechs like the Adder, Crab or Bushwacker are the best ones IMHO)

(http://www.camospecs.com/images/schemes/17_93f.jpg)

(http://www.mechforce.de/1/sonstiges/mesh/ptr-4d1.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on May 27, 2010, 02:58:14 PM
(...)
Let's see... legs... arms... missiles... yea, they just duplicated the same model! Bastards!

Who cares?  ;D Best design evr going hand in hand with the awesome and the bushy. (yes, i love these crude designs -> marauder is the ugliest and childish mech ever  :-X )

naah, it's not that bad - the artist who made it's MWLL  model did great job for Marauder being acceptable. But I cannot stand sometimes watching the BT arts with it - there it really looks like a toy.

But what I dislike are Mechs trying to resamble human as much as possible. Eg. planned commando. Draconis combine did few of such silly mechs. Or even worse, something like this:
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/c/c4/Spider.jpg)
Feel the spiderman power!

Spiderman, Spiderman,
Does whatever a spider can
Spins a web, any size,
Catches thieves just like flies
Look Out!
Here comes the Spiderman.

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: 7.[WD]Ragor on May 27, 2010, 03:01:22 PM
Yeah, I'm with you... lets blame the 80s for that crap.^^

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on May 27, 2010, 03:04:48 PM
true, true....
::) ;)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [IPA] Thalamus on May 28, 2010, 11:45:47 AM
I admit I'm a geek.

Tonight I dreamt of starting up MWLL, when I found that you could now buy the marauder and the rifleman (and their IIC-Variants) in the MechHangar. It was so awesome.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Dubious on June 08, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
Summoner is my favorite mech, I would love to see it added soon!!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Deathbane on June 08, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
Summoner is my favorite mech, I would love to see it added soon!!!!

QFT QFT QFT
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Strontium Dog on June 08, 2010, 06:33:51 PM
I really miss the Ryoken and Cauldron Born.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: RepleX-TA on June 08, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Fafnir with 2Heavy Gauss Rifles, 2PPC, 2ML and MPlsL
Commando/Clint/Centurion any little plantigrade mech.

But it's impossible till mechs in MWLL could actually run (not walk fast)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rakkis on June 09, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
still want the summoner, but a close second would be Highlander IIC guass rifle, 3 MPL, 2 SRM6, and LRM 20
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: thunderstallion on June 23, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
lets see...
light: firemoth
medium: nova
heavy: glass spider (with 0.3.0. we could use aa mech :D)
assault: fuuu this is the tricky one...(to much favorite mechs) but i think ill go for stone rhino ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: noisefloor on June 24, 2010, 12:36:24 AM
I still would love to see some good ol' classics:

light: Locust
medium: Griffin
heavy: Marauder
assault: Battlemaster (pleaaaassseee)

I know there are way stronger mechs, but i love those things.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Deathbane on June 24, 2010, 02:06:25 AM
Summoner.


 >:( ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Deathbane on June 25, 2010, 02:21:39 AM
Sorry for double post, but also, add the grognard.  Rolling out in style.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grognard (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grognard)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Reiel on June 25, 2010, 02:52:34 AM
Gimme that krunk! Gimme that Grog! Gimme that krunk! Gimme that Nard!

 ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Razorin on June 25, 2010, 02:55:21 AM
Oh wow ! I want that badass son-of-lego box 'mech  !!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: McScwizzy on June 25, 2010, 05:43:00 AM
I definitely want my Summoner! I'd be satisfied with my Fafnir also:D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: NiZ on June 25, 2010, 07:54:16 PM
Sorry for double post, but also, add the grognard.  Rolling out in style.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grognard (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grognard)

4x Large Lasers
4 MGs
27 Heatsinks

I lol'd.

Uhh...on topic... You guys have got most of them, except the Hellion. We need a good fast, nasty 'mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sir Tahn Maihem on June 25, 2010, 08:56:53 PM
I want an Argus (http://sarna.net/wiki/Argus (http://sarna.net/wiki/Argus)), a Viking (http://sarna.net/wiki/Viking (http://sarna.net/wiki/Viking)), a Huntsman (http://sarna.net/wiki/Huntsman_%28Nobori-nin%29 (http://sarna.net/wiki/Huntsman_%28Nobori-nin%29)), a Hunchback (http://sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback (http://sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback)), a Razorback (http://sarna.net/wiki/Razorback (http://sarna.net/wiki/Razorback)), and a Piranha (http://sarna.net/wiki/Piranha (http://sarna.net/wiki/Piranha)). Other than those all the mechs I want are already in the game.

And if the devs feel like it a Raptor II (http://sarna.net/wiki/Raptor_II (http://sarna.net/wiki/Raptor_II)), but f*** the mech taser and the vsps because those are silly. Use mpls and ssrms instead.

Also, lol at the grognard.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ranger171 on June 26, 2010, 12:21:51 AM
Personally it depends on what ERA of Battletech we are at. If it Start of clan invasion 3050-3052, Marauder 2 (MAD-5A ), Black Knight ( BL-9-KNT), Huron warrior (hur-wo-R40).

3060 era, Thunder hawk (TDK-7Y ) be nice, Sunder, Turkina

dont know after those years if any designs stand out to me
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Deathshade on June 26, 2010, 01:43:15 AM
light: Wasp and Flea
medium: Artic Wolf
heavy: the unnamed. :) or just a Black Knight
assault: Highlander. I ran this for half a decade. Great mech for dodging shots
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Reiel on June 26, 2010, 01:51:37 AM
Quote
light: Wasp and Flea

I suggested these and HAARP laughed at me.  :-\
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Deathshade on June 26, 2010, 01:54:37 AM
yah. The Flea was the blunt of many a mw joke. "I am takin a Flea ftw."

The Wasp is classic BT though. No need to laugh  :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on June 26, 2010, 04:43:41 AM
NOVA PRIME AND H
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =CJW=YalK on June 28, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
Well, most of the ones I'd want are already confirmed and/or already in play. Kitfox, Adder, Stormcrow

Black Lanner-(Basically Jade Falcon version of the StormCrow which is a favorite)
FireMoth-(need a faster light mech)

I agree with previous posts about the need for more light and medium mechs

Edit: also the Nova (black hawk)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Griffin on July 07, 2010, 10:07:16 PM
this may be my third post on this forum, but now when i play i try to only use the faction-tech that i am on and i must say the clans are in desperate need of some mediums like the stormcrow or the pariah (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Pariah). The scat is great and all, but it does tend to lack the armor for extended fights. 
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: [Luna] - T.W. on July 21, 2010, 04:47:57 AM
I can think of 3 mechs that would make great additions, one of them already planned to be put in.

The Stormcrow, which is listed on the MWLL wiki page would help fill in the blank of a missile heavy mech in the medium range.

http://wiki.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Ryoken

Another option for a missile mech in medium range could be the Arctic Wolf.

(http://www.solaris7.com/Images/TRO/BattleMechs/ArcticWolf.jpg)

And finally as the above poster said, how can you have a Mechwarrior game without the king that is the Dire Wolf.

(http://www.solaris7.com/files/members/69/Daishi_(Dire_Wolf)_3050U.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: snooggums on July 21, 2010, 04:11:31 PM
I'd actually like to see the Locust, one of the most common scout mechs ever. Sure it came from the same source as the Warhammer but that is because it is so simple it is good.

20 ton frame designed for running = win
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on July 21, 2010, 05:26:54 PM
I have posted in here about four times with the same response...


SUMMONER!!!!

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5690/mech32009052312111962.jpg)

Its the one on the right for those of you that don't know
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Paul_Stern on July 21, 2010, 05:48:21 PM
Here are the Mechs i would like to see:

1. Archer                     http://sarna.net/wiki/Archer
2. Black Hawk-KU        http://sarna.net/wiki/Black_Hawk-KU
3. Caesar                    http://sarna.net/wiki/Caesar   
4. Defiance                  http://sarna.net/wiki/Defiance_%28BattleMech%29
5. Falconer                  http://sarna.net/wiki/Falconer
6. Lynx                        http://sarna.net/wiki/Lynx
7. Rakshasa                http://sarna.net/wiki/Rakshasa

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: sleepysheep on July 21, 2010, 06:18:40 PM
Maskari. Then I won't have to drive any other mech (Well ok I will to get the cash and rank, but then I won't :D)

Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Griffin on July 21, 2010, 06:19:10 PM
I have posted in here about four times with the same response...


SUMMONER!!!!


Its the one on the right for those of you that don't know

i couldnt agree more....i need my 70 tons of awesomeness
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on July 21, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
70 tons of jumpjetting PPCing LRMing LBX TO DA FACING SUMMONER!!!!!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Deathshade on July 21, 2010, 07:32:40 PM
yah. the thor would be nice to have. Give something to keep them loki's and WH's busy
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on July 21, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
yah. the Summoner would be nice to have. Give something to keep them Hellbringers's   and WH's busy

fixed ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Warheart on July 21, 2010, 09:02:19 PM
I just want to emphasize that we still need a fast light clan mech like the Fire Moth or the Fire Falcon,  next we need more clan medium like the Nova, Strom Crow or Arctic Wolf and clan assault class mechs such as the Warhawk, the Blood Asp or maybe the Super Nova aside the Stone Rhino?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Sesambrot on July 21, 2010, 09:28:18 PM
I just want to emphasize that we still need a fast light clan mech like the Fire Moth or the Fire Falcon,  next we need more clan medium like the Nova, Strom Crow or Arctic Wolf and clan assault class mechs such as the Warhawk, the Blood Asp or maybe the Super Nova aside the Stone Rhino?
yeah, some more mechs for my weightclass! :)
Actually I don't care about assaults unless when I'm engaging them!
Some more lights, cheap enough to start with them and some more mediums would be great...
I actually don't care what chassis, as long as it weighs between 30 and and 55 tons! ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: zephoid on July 21, 2010, 09:48:10 PM
someone wanted the thor?
http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediapool/mwll/cl_thor.jpg
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Jonttu on July 21, 2010, 11:46:04 PM
People should probably recheck these...

http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/info/factions/inner-sphere/
http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/info/factions/clan/
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CHHš Deathshade on July 22, 2010, 12:43:30 AM
yah. the Summoner would be nice to have. Give something to keep them Hellbringers's   and WH's busy

fixed ;D

pwnd by Clan red spray paint :o
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Profane Arbiter on July 22, 2010, 05:00:51 AM
Quote
i couldnt agree more....i need my 70 tons of awesomeness

If you want 70 tons of awesomeness why do you want the Thor? Look to the Avatar. That mech is 70 tons of full on win.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Avatar_(BattleMech)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Wolf on July 22, 2010, 05:11:36 AM
Just waiting for the day the Blood Asp is implemented.

Fear that day freebirths.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~KorbinWimmer on July 22, 2010, 05:21:11 AM
Avatar is IS.. PFFT
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: CharlesBronson on July 22, 2010, 05:47:10 PM
I would like to see a cyclops or battlemaster or some assault mech that fields a lot of electronics to support the assault mech blob thats moving along.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: DFDelta on July 22, 2010, 06:30:02 PM
We need the Penetrator (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Penetrator) (75 ton IS laserboat) as a counterpart to the Novacat (70 ton clan laserboat)

And the Bane (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bane) would be awesome as a counter to the Mauler. (It would be an awesome ASF raper, too ;D)
Just take out the MGs, that would leave it with 10 UAC2 and a ton of reloads for each ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Barcode on July 23, 2010, 10:39:07 PM
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i couldnt agree more....i need my 70 tons of awesomeness

If you want 70 tons of awesomeness why do you want the Thor? Look to the Avatar. That mech is 70 tons of full on win.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Avatar_(BattleMech)
Rule of cool. The Avatar looks boring compared to the headless, parts-everywhere Summoner.

In the end, let's never ignore a cool-looking 'Mech because its loadout doesn't compare well to another's - the entire reason we're playing a 'Mech game instead of a tank game is because 'Mechs look cooler. TLDR I wanna see a Rifleman IIC! :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Scruffe on July 24, 2010, 06:38:18 AM
how about instead of a new mech we add the challenger??
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Deathbane on July 25, 2010, 05:00:26 AM
how about instead of a new mech we add the challenger??

How about instead of the challenger we add the Summoner?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Rakkis on July 26, 2010, 03:56:16 PM
how about instead of a new mech we add the challenger??

How about instead of the challenger we add the Summoner?

^agreed
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: thunderstallion on July 31, 2010, 08:36:49 PM
now that i got my hellbringer ill go for nova please please please!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on July 31, 2010, 09:55:14 PM
now that i got my hellbringer ill go for nova please please please!!!!! ;D

The Nova (Black Hawk) would be an absolute nightmare to implement with the way MWLL 'Mechs are built.  Since the "arms" mount to the same axis as the legs, there would be almost no torso twist, instead relying on the legs to provide minimal twisting.  The arms would have to be individually animated to approximate torso twist for aiming, which would likely incur some nasty clipping issues with the legs.  Fully and properly animated, the legs would "kick" the arms when attempting to aim side-to-side.
 
This is probably why you never see a Nova positioned in any of the line art with the weapons facing anything other than centerline-front.
 
(http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/d/de/3050U_Nova.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: HAARP on July 31, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
And that's how it worked in MW2. Almost no torso twist at all. If it turned fast enough, that wouldn't be a problem anyway. Keep the arms as they are, don't allow them to move side-to-side :P

Nova ftw!


The Adder/Puma isn't supposed to have torso-twist either btw ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KingLeerUK on July 31, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
Creating a new movement system and animation set just for one 'Mech is not high on the priority list.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Profane Arbiter on August 01, 2010, 01:33:21 AM
It was in MW3 with no twist was it not? I recall it being a decent mech but without twist, I can't recall why in the world that was the case.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: snooggums on August 01, 2010, 02:38:34 AM
It was in MW3 with no twist was it not? I recall it being a decent mech but without twist, I can't recall why in the world that was the case.

Use of JJ to slide side to side like a hovercraft? Or was that MW2?
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Saber15 on August 01, 2010, 03:30:58 AM
And that's how it worked in MW2. Almost no torso twist at all. If it turned fast enough, that wouldn't be a problem anyway. Keep the arms as they are, don't allow them to move side-to-side :P

Nova ftw!


The Adder/Puma isn't supposed to have torso-twist either btw ;D

Having no torso/arm twist would make the mech almost useless for keyboard users except at close range.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)KitLightning on August 01, 2010, 04:00:14 AM
Nova ftw!

 ;D

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/171/9/f/BlackHawk_1st_Test_Run_by_PinkSniperIII.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Virt on August 01, 2010, 06:02:56 AM
Use of JJ to slide side to side like a hovercraft?
Man I hated that.   It was as if the Mechs were ice-skating.  Ruined online play for me.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Come and See on August 01, 2010, 11:53:55 PM
Annihilator. :)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: thunderstallion on August 02, 2010, 12:19:04 AM
ok if nova fails what about super nova ;D(just played mw3 yesterday...again... :P
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: =KoS= Saber15 on August 02, 2010, 04:14:33 AM
ok if nova fails what about super nova ;D(just played mw3 yesterday...again... :P
It'd be a bigger version of the Novacat.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Sky_walker on August 02, 2010, 08:42:47 AM
ok if nova fails what about super nova ;D(just played mw3 yesterday...again... :P
It'd be a bigger version of the Novacat.
Either way - it's still impossible for not-torso-twisting Mech to make it's place in MWLL ::)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Vaskadar on August 02, 2010, 08:53:44 AM
And if the devs feel like it a Raptor II (http://sarna.net/wiki/Raptor_II (http://sarna.net/wiki/Raptor_II)), but f*** the mech taser and the vsps because those are silly. Use mpls and ssrms instead.

Also, lol at the grognard.

I applaud thee.

RAPTOR II!!!

Because it's badass.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: thunderstallion on August 08, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
ok if nova fails what about super nova ;D(just played mw3 yesterday...again... :P
It'd be a bigger version of the Novacat.
Either way - it's still impossible for not-torso-twisting Mech to make it's place in MWLL ::)
ammm... i think super nova do have torso twist
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Makaan on August 11, 2010, 03:29:02 PM
Kerensky's mech of choice..... Orion
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Zakatak on August 12, 2010, 10:16:59 PM
Urbie mech :D Also, Daishi and Jenner. All other mechs I like are or will be in the game.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KSerge83 on August 12, 2010, 10:47:30 PM
Marauder IIC (obvious reasons)
Warhammer IIC (I know warhammer's already in, but the IIC is 10 more tons of warhammer fun)
Daishi / Dire Wolf (mmmm, tonnage)
Rifleman IIC (did I mention I love clan mechs?)
Masakari / Warhawk (because I really do love them)

and for something completely different... Jaegermech and Urbanmech. Ugly things, but they sure are fun to play with/shoot at.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on August 13, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
ok if nova fails what about super nova ;D(just played mw3 yesterday...again... :P
It'd be a bigger version of the Novacat.
Either way - it's still impossible for not-torso-twisting Mech to make it's place in MWLL ::)

 I wouldn't be so sure. MW2 had a lot of non-torso twisting mechs and they still was quite playable, especially Nova.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: dCK-Ad_Hominem on August 13, 2010, 01:51:03 PM
Actually I should be pleased since my favorite (Hellbringer) was a nice surprise gift already. Still:

Lights: Fire Moth
Mediums: Stag (http://sarna.net/wiki/Stag)
Heavies: Jagermech (III?)
Assaults: Stalker (http://sarna.net/wiki/Stalker) (this one's awesome).

As for the mechs others have mentioned. I am looking forward to the Marauder and the Blood Asp. The Bane however.... well it is totally overpowered. I do not know CBT rules or anything, but going after MW4 the chassis of this mech, if stripped from engine, weapons and HS would weigh in at about -3 tons. Sure, I would love to pilot the Bane with it's 4 UAC10 and 14 tons of ammo (chinfiring monster), but I guess by the time we include it the stravags will have more than enough reason to complain about off balance ;).
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Zakatak on August 14, 2010, 07:08:22 PM
Nova or Blackhawk! Plox plox plox plox plox! Make torso twist like 15-20 degrees aswell, its beast like that. Unless you can make the arms the 'turrets' instead of the torso.

Probably use MBL's rather then ER variants, to keep the cost under 200k. If we are using ERMBL's, only have 10 of each.



Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Digital Communist on August 15, 2010, 07:59:54 PM
Stone Rhino is a cool mech.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: The_Beast on August 23, 2010, 02:35:43 PM
Assult -Fafnir- 2 HGAUSS, 2 ER_PPCs. Awesome mech!
MaraduerII with the Railgun.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Amarus on August 23, 2010, 02:57:11 PM
Stone Rhino is a cool mech.

I just noticed your avatar, I did a double take lol



Also how long will this thread go on for, I might as well through in my two cents for the fifth time...making the amount of money I have spent on this thread...10 cents.

                                                Order in which I want them done (lol)
Light: Firemoth                         Heavy
Medium: Stormcrow                 Assualt
Heavy: SUMMONER!!!!!            Medium
Assault: Gladiator                     Light
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on August 23, 2010, 05:26:24 PM
Light: Firemoth   

 Hell, yes! Love that thingy!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL) Heretic on August 23, 2010, 05:45:45 PM
(http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/134/a/7/My_Firemoth_Atalanta_by_TheBattletechHeretic.jpg)

Just thought I'd re-post Firemoth "Atalanta" that I did as a low-poly last year; as my favourite Clan Light was getting some love.

I figure I'll do up a high poly version of her (now I've learned texturing in Z-Brush) and stick her into CryEngine when we port to Wars (Max2009 cannot import into the vanilla SDK), so even if the Devs don't want her I'll still be able to pose her in all of CryEngines glory!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~ Wolf on August 23, 2010, 05:47:59 PM
That looks really good man. I look forward to seeing a finished version
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: Taemien on August 23, 2010, 07:46:46 PM
Yen-lo-wang.

Enough said.
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: KSerge83 on August 23, 2010, 09:38:29 PM
I forgot about the Dasher/Firemoth. God that mech was fun. Barely had enough firepower to do anything useful, but it was still so much fun.

I also forgot how goofy it looks with it's hands up like that  ;D
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: ~SJ~KorbinWimmer on August 23, 2010, 10:08:43 PM
Look awesome Heretic. Keep up the great work
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on August 24, 2010, 06:25:01 AM
 
 Damn! If that's low-poly, Heretic, I'm sure that final version would be awesome! I really hope devs would use your model.

I forgot about the Dasher/Firemoth. God that mech was fun. Barely had enough firepower to do anything useful, but it was still so much fun.

I also forgot how goofy it looks with it's hands up like that  ;D

 Wut? :o
 
 Prime: 2xERMBL, 1xSRM-6, 1xSRM-4 -- More firepower, than Osiris Prime has. D: 5xERMBL, Flamer -- practically Puma C's loadout(but consider Firemoth's speed ;) ). H: 9xHSBL(that is heavy small laser), 1Double heat sink -- it would tear apart anything it can get close enough to, and believe me, 162.0 km/h and up to 216 km/h with MASC makes it quite easy.

 Firemoth FTW!
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: The AntiHero on August 24, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
Hatchetman of course.

(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee338/StealthDonut/3025_Hatchetman1.jpg)
Title: Re: What mech do you want to see in MW:LL the most?
Post by: (TLL)Siilk on August 25, 2010, 06:21:59 AM
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